Time for a third party...

[sirhrmechanic]

So with the blatant election theft unrolling like a slow-motion train wreck before our eyes...

Can a third party rise at this point?

If Babblin Pedo Joe and Commie Harris get started with their green new deal crap... Do the Republicans finally morph into something worthwhile? Can the Libertarians bring in enough people from both 'old' parties to become a force?

I suspect that the anger in this nation is going to be palpable if the Dems steal this. And we know that if Trump somehow manages to win through proving cheating in the courts... that the left will go bugshit.

Is a third party... a Constitutionalist party... an answer?

Theoretical discussion... but obviously so much is broken that folks need to organize somehow or watch the USA turn into Venezuela. BLM has pulled in billions as a 'political' party with a central organizing cadre and a massive political pull. In theory, they are a third party... but don't call themselves Marxists. They 'are' in essence the new Democrat Party.

Where/how does a similar movement arise on the side of the Constitution and the USA's traditional values?

Sirhr

 

[Skg_Mre_Lght]

Not really. Jorgensen is why Biden has barely squeaked past Trump in several states. Both sides have repeatedly shown that third party votes can end their candidate's successful election.

 

[EddieNFL]

The Rs and Ds would band together to shut it down via any means necessary.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

So you wanna take on the Oligarchy huh?

Its hard when 60% or Americans want their government to manage every aspect of their lives.

All these so called progressive liberals are actually afraid of change in a direction of more freedom and more liberties.

For change to happen. There needs to be a Great Awakening to just who exactly the swamp and the political elite establishment is and how they control us. And then a viable alternative. Then form a group of influencers that can go viral like some internet video. It needs to be the political equivalent of Elliot Ness and the untouchables.

I'm afraid this great awakening is going to be more like a Phoenix. It needs to burn to the ground before it can rise from the ashes.

 

[atomic41]

If we don't have a legitimate election process, none of that matters.

 

[TexPatriot]

I would suspect the Republicans would step across the isle and become a conservative splinter of the communist Dem. Party.

They'd no longer have to put up a façade. It will always be a battle of Left vs. Right,, Good vs. Evil

 

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the Libertarian party has openly endorsed BLM and ANTIFA.....hell, they tweeted out how great Raz simone and the CHAZ was....they can go suck a dick.

we need a blatant Pro-Constitutional American, Anti-communist party.....honestly i think we need to reinvigorate the Tea Party again, there was a reason they had the IRS weaponized against them.

 

[deersniper]

The Rs and Ds would band together to shut it down via any means necessary.

Like the tea party R and D used the state apparatus to destroy them.

 

[Maggot]

If this article is correct it really wont matter. It makes me really sad but I fear our Republic and our freedoms are done. Its going to get really ugly.

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[VA-Varminter]

The Libertarians are moonbats. The two party system is firmly entrenched, and now that Trump has effectively failed to drain the swamp we are stuck with them until things get much much worse. I mean like Venezuela bad.
It's a race against the clock however, because two more generations of indoctrination and the entire concept of what true liberty means will be wiped away from the American conscience. Look at the rest of the world. We're the holdouts.

 

[EddieNFL]

Two generations is optimistic. Only took one in Venezuela.

 

[pmclaine]

I would suspect the Republicans would step across the isle and become a conservative splinter of the communist Dem. Party.

They'd no longer have to put up a façade. It will always be a battle of Left vs. Right,, Good vs. Evil

They will become the Felix Dzerzhinsky arm of the communist party.

In order to prove their loyalty they will be eager to commit the most heinous of abuses.

 

[isofahunter]

What comes out of this mess will not resemble what was. What was will be struck from the record and only old men will have memories and those will fade away too.

 

[Kir]

Most people don't like change, too set in their ways. When the R's are in control, why should they switch to a third party? Same goes with the D's. Something really drastic would need to happen to have a 3rd party rise up. On just about most issues, it is one way or another, no room for a different view.

 

[Rthur]

As ever increasing potential voters rely on social media for their "facts"
I'd think the censorship we've been experiencing would eliminate a 3rd party possibility.
The Tea party was a watershed moment how they'll handle upsetting the apple cart.

R

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

If this article is correct it really wont matter. It makes me really sad but I fear our Republic and our freedoms are done. Its going to get really ugly.

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If that is true, how did Trump win in 2016?

 

[VA-Varminter]

Look at the map of counties in each state.
The liberals own us in numbers.
In many ways we accept their enslavement, feeding them, providing them with comforts and conveniences.
The working class have plenty of power to change things, but we don't.

Think about the riots and protests of the past several months. How differently would all of that played out if they held the power that we do, and if we lived in clusters that could easily have been switched off?

 

[TexPatriot]

Most people don't like change, too set in their ways. When the R's are in control, why should they switch to a third party? Same goes with the D's. Something really drastic would need to happen to have a 3rd party rise up. On just about most issues, it is one way or another, no room for a different view.

When the R's were in control, we weren't really in control, the foot dragging on investigations, the lack of support for Pres. Trump was frustrating as fuck.

The Rep. Party produced swamp scum like Sessions and Barr.

*On a side note, listening to Larry Elder on Fox now. He would have made a good VP.

 

[MtnCreek]

We're going to divide ourselves because an election was stolen through fraud? How does that make sense?

Work harder in the primaries and if you want to support a third party (in ways other than a vote), Green Party.

 

[deersniper]

The Tea party was a watershed moment how they'll handle upsetting the apple cart.

I can’t say how the individuals in the irs et al should have been handled in that situation

If there were direct consequences of that harassment /tyranny , it would stop or at least slow down.

Same with the people handling/producing/protecting the fraudulent votes

 

[MtnCreek]

It's not time for a new party, its time for a new country. The Conservative States of America.

CSA has a nice ring to it. :-D

 

[Rthur]

Look at the map of counties in each state.
The liberals own us in numbers.
In many ways we accept their enslavement, feeding them, providing them with comforts and conveniences.
The working class have plenty of power to change things, but we don't.

Think about the riots and protests of the past several months. How differently would all of that played out if they held the power that we do, and if we lived in clusters that could easily have been switched off?

I'm going to say the imported voters were incentivized to concentrate in these locales for this very effect.
Red team stood by holding their dicks as if nothing was happening.
They, team Red, want things to go back to business as usual as well.
First two years of Trump prove this.

R

 

[Darkside-Six]

No.
Jo Jorgensen is why Biden won Wisconsin.

the problem is both parties are moving so far to their respected sides that they are now both parties of extremes. The further the left moves towards socialism with people like Bernie Sanders and AOC, it pushes the right further to the right.
What happened in 2016 was we elected a dumpster fire. Yes Trumps polices have been great for the country as a whole but people can’t get passed his attitude and now we are seeing the repercussions of that. People coming out of the woodwork in record numbers just to get him out of office because “OrAnGe MaN bAd”
And the best candidate the left could put up was this old fuck with dementia and they know he’s only a puppet for Kamala who is the last person the dems want in the White House but again.....Orange man bad!
The good news is that GOP kept the senate and actually took back many seats in the house and apparently there are still races out there in the house that are not decided but GOP is winning. There’s a leaked call of a democratic congress woman talking about how they (dems on congress) got killed this election because of talking about shit like defunding police and socialism. This is the lowest majority Nany Pelosi has had in the house ever. If by some chance republicans can squeak out the majority it’s game over. And if they can’t now there’s a good chance they will in 2022. Worse case scenario of Biden wins we’re looking at 4 years of gridlock. He won’t be able to pass any of his extreme laws on gun control and he won’t be able to remove Trumps tax cuts which are all good.
I think people are waking up to the fact that the last 4 years have been totally fucked when you have a leader that acts like a spoiled toddler but also with the house not doing shit and passing any laws simply because they don’t want Trump to get a win. There’s been some friction on the house for a few months now between some dems and Pelosi and it’s starting to become more of a reliant ion now with these house seats flipping.

not to mention every seat that the republicans had they kept and every seat they won was by either a minority, a woman, or a military veteran which totally destroys the lefts narrative about Trump being racist and oppressing women.

 

[Bmghunter]

A third party needs to attract left voters away from the Ds enough that they will not side with either the left, preferably with the right, right while keeping the existing right united. That's the best way to approach this. Think like this, the AOC camp becomes so communist that they formally become the communist party, takes half the Dims with them, and the other half of the Dims are so turned off by this that they rather side with the Rs. UNLIKELY scenario but that's the idea.

Now talking about a third party here and splintering the right, what are you getting? That exact scenario above but in reverse!

 

[Expert684]

Uh you have a third party: The Communist Party Of America.
This ultra left crap has to be squashed some kind of way?

 

[hunter1959]

a third party???? really??? after what is being reported about the key senate races finishes the job, there will be only one party left... The Socialist Party.... any dissenters might wind up like those in Russia during the Red Purge....

 

[W54/XM-388]

IF you were really serious about wanting a 3rd party you need to first make sure you would not be just handing the power for good to the Communists because that is exactly what will happen if the Republican party falls and fractures.

Perhaps a good first step would be all the conservatives and decent folks jumping ship during the primaries and ALL registering as democrats in states that require it for primary votes and change the canidate line up to something you could live with.

Then the crash of the R party wouldn't be the end of the world and you could quickly build a new party to replace it.

In the end there can only really be 2 parties based on how our system works, a 3rd party will always just be a spoiler for the party they are closest to.
And you DON'T want to go to a stupid parliamentary system where your government and laws are determined by who can cobble together the biggest compromise group with fringe parties who demand unpopular laws in return for their support.

 

[Yells01]

Students of history will come to realize that our first president was spot on correct with the notion that political parties should not exist. This is no longer a nation of the people, by the people or for the people. .0001534285% of our population is in control of making policy and enforcing it based on what.......??? The will of the people? We have hundreds of thousands of laws on the books. We’re ranked 58th of 86 “free countries.” This is bullshit. Many of us signed the dotted line and got put into fucked it situations in various AO’s to defend the interests of our liberty and the ideology of freedom. But we aren’t free. We haven’t been in a long time. If this continues, our children and their children will suffer horrible fates. This is not the world or nation I want to raise my family in. Fuck this.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Admittedly, I skipped right down to the end here, to post this. No offense to anyone who has added to this thread, but, take it from someone who knows.

As in, I'm a Canadian, and I've been a Canadian all my life (50+ years). We have a "more than 2 Party system" up here in Canada, and it
SUCKS
Trust me when I tell you, that the possibility of a 'Minority Government' is bad, let alone the ACTUAL happening of a minority government. This is what happens when the majority of the country is divided between two different (or more than two different) ideals,,, and then an EVEN WORSE party gets in.

Look at it this way. If only 31% of the country vote for a particular party,,, do you REALLY think that party should be the one in charge? THAT is what you get, when you have a 'more than 2 party system'.

Don't Do It.

Fix what you've got, to make the actual parties bigger/badder/better/stronger/gooder-looking,,, instead of trying to dilute what you have to make it taste better. Shit-water is still shit-water, no matter how much you dilute it.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

IF you were really serious about wanting a 3rd party you need to first make sure you would not be just handing the power for good to the Communists because that is exactly what will happen if the Republican party falls and fractures.

Perhaps a good first step would be all the conservatives and decent folks jumping ship during the primaries and ALL registering as democrats in states that require it for primary votes and change the canidate line up to something you could live with.

Then the crash of the R party wouldn't be the end of the world and you could quickly build a new party to replace it.

In the end there can only really be 2 parties based on how our system works, a 3rd party will always just be a spoiler for the party they are closest to.
And you DON'T want to go to a stupid parliamentary system where your government and laws are determined by who can cobble together the biggest compromise group with fringe parties who demand unpopular laws in return for their support.

You actually might be on to something.

Ive thought about doing that because I registered as a libertarian and my primary ballot was mostly blank. I wanted to vote against the Kamalas and Pelosis and Schiffs.The thing is that the Democrat party operates like a Mafia with a clear power structure and agenda.. any dissedence is eliminated. Hard for the equivalent of a R I N O to exist.

 

[seanh]

3rd party? Great, just another way to further divide this country.

The only thing that'll get us together is a populist is to have zero political parties. No party politics, just focus 100% on the issues based on facts, based on the need for the forward growth of humanity, the forward growth of this country,

 

[Crang]

Admittedly, I skipped right down to the end here, to post this. No offense to anyone who has added to this thread, but, take it from someone who knows.

As in, I'm a Canadian, and I've been a Canadian all my life (50+ years). We have a "more than 2 Party system" up here in Canada, and it
SUCKS
Trust me when I tell you, that the possibility of a 'Minority Government' is bad, let alone the ACTUAL happening of a minority government. This is what happens when the majority of the country is divided between two different (or more than two different) ideals,,, and then an EVEN WORSE party gets in.

Look at it this way. If only 31% of the country vote for a particular party,,, do you REALLY think that party should be the one in charge? THAT is what you get, when you have a 'more than 2 party system'.

Don't Do It.

Fix what you've got, to make the actual parties bigger/badder/better/stronger/gooder-looking,,, instead of trying to dilute what you have to make it taste better. Shit-water is still shit-water, no matter how much you dilute it.

Until recently Brazil was the poster child for this. 20ish parties with the winner often having less than 15% of the vote.

 

[candyx]

Afghanistan model would be better off, section off land and elect warlords. I can go for walking around in a robe and sandals carrying a AK.

 

[The D]

The libertarian party isn’t completely lost, the Mises caucus doesn’t need much to take over. Almost everyone associated with that group was influenced by Ron Paul.

Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen tried to appeal to the progressives and it failed miserably. Hopefully next time around they(the party as a whole) remember what a fucking stupid idea that was and just stick to a strict Ron Paul-esque message

 

[OldSalty2]

Nope.

Unless you want dems in power forever lol...

 

[Romeo458]

If they are allowed to get away... again, with this blatant theft of an election what's the point of voting anymore?

 

[Romeo458]

Not really. Jorgensen is why Biden has barely squeaked past Trump in several states. Both sides have repeatedly shown that third party votes can end their candidate's successful election.

This is a myth that is brought up by both sides. I've heard Biden voters complaining that Jorgensen is why Trump was able to squeak by in some States. If the people who cast those ballots wanted trump in office they would have voted for him, they didn't, so they didn't. It doesn't mean those votes would automatically went to Biden or Trump or anyone else. Is just another lie that the ruling party uses to keep people voting for one or the other.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

@Darkside-Six pretty much nailed it. Don't elect clowns (applies to all parties).

I think Trump will squeeze a win, which will make his fraud calling (which I don't believe) all the more stupid and we'll be back to where we have been for the last 4 years. Hopefully Biden will elope with a stuffed toy and become a figurehead in Depends and Reverse-Mortgage ads and Kamala will shed her fake human skin, and in her reptilian form eat Pelosi before vanishing back into space.

One good thing, tons of people voted! Nice to have a population engaged in civics again, eh?

 

[candyx]

@Darkside-Six pretty much nailed it. Don't elect clowns (applies to all parties).

I think Trump will squeeze a win, which will make his fraud calling (which I don't believe) all the more stupid and we'll be back to where we have been for the last 4 years. Hopefully Biden will elope with a stuffed toy and become a figurehead in Depends and Reverse-Mortgage ads and Kamala will shed her fake human skin, and in her reptilian form eat Pelosi before vanishing back into space.

One good thing, tons of people voted! Nice to have a population engaged in civics again, eh?

A few people voted a ton with sore fingers of course......

 

[ManUtdManiac]

A few people voted a ton with sore fingers of course......

If there's real proof of that then I'm sure one of the 10,432 lawsuits raised by Trump's campaign will find it and present it for all to see. I don't want a stolen election, by either side.

 

[candyx]

Nevada will tell if they can prove any illegal votes occurred there then they will able to apply that case to ever other state that the mail in voting has a big error in it.

 

[M7rtim]

Good vs evil. Seems like 2 parties to me. But D's and R's seem like pure evil vs I'm not as bad as the other guy.

 

[kthomas]

Admittedly, I skipped right down to the end here, to post this. No offense to anyone who has added to this thread, but, take it from someone who knows.

As in, I'm a Canadian, and I've been a Canadian all my life (50+ years). We have a "more than 2 Party system" up here in Canada, and it
SUCKS
Trust me when I tell you, that the possibility of a 'Minority Government' is bad, let alone the ACTUAL happening of a minority government. This is what happens when the majority of the country is divided between two different (or more than two different) ideals,,, and then an EVEN WORSE party gets in.

Look at it this way. If only 31% of the country vote for a particular party,,, do you REALLY think that party should be the one in charge? THAT is what you get, when you have a 'more than 2 party system'.

Don't Do It.

Fix what you've got, to make the actual parties bigger/badder/better/stronger/gooder-looking,,, instead of trying to dilute what you have to make it taste better. Shit-water is still shit-water, no matter how much you dilute it.

And that system can hypothetically lead to a minority government forming a coalition with another party that will never see federal power. Perhaps with a smaller party that is even more left/"progressive", that will never have an opportunity to be the ruling party. That relationship will then have that smaller party eating out of the bigger parties hand. Hypothetically they can push more and more "progressive" mandates. Hypothetically they can prorouge government and rule without a budget or any oversight from parliament. Hypothetically they can shut down any investigations into said party for various ethics and laws violations, without consequence.

This is all hypothetical of course, as no first world western democracy would be ran this way...

 

[kthomas]

There's a lot that needs to be done to fix politics, and namely that's taking the money and power out of it.

Term limits for congress and the senate. Reform campaign finance laws and lobbying, for starters.

There's too much money, and too much power in politics. In a healthy democracy, the citizens would know everything about the government, being a public entity, while the government would know nothing about private individuals, being private. We currently have the exact opposite of that, and I don't know how a democracy can be sustained in such a manner. The government has been completely perverted over generations, with politicians and their parties clamoring for more and more power, with the simultaneous erosion of individual freedoms and liberties. Government has forgotten what their job is, who they work for and the oath they swore to protect the constitution.

There's no transparency and no accountability for government. That's a huge problem.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

There's a lot that needs to be done to fix politics, and namely that's taking the money and power out of it.

Term limits for congress and the senate. Reform campaign finance laws and lobbying, for starters.

There's too much money, and too much power in politics. In a healthy democracy, the citizens would know everything about the government, being a public entity, while the government would know nothing about private individuals, being private. We currently have the exact opposite of that, and I don't know how a democracy can be sustained in such a manner. The government has been completely perverted over generations, with politicians and their parties clamoring for more and more power, with the simultaneous erosion of individual freedoms and liberties. Government has forgotten what their job is, who they work for and the oath they swore to protect the constitution.

There's no transparency and no accountability for government. That's a huge problem.

In all honesty, I don't agree with the money aspect, anymore. The Dems poured HUNDREDS of millions into Ky and SC and had resounding failure. Likewise in every other district in the house, they performed either poorly or average, despite their massive spend.

The total lack of actual transparency and with it, or because of it, the disengagement of the population from governance is unsustainable, but it's more a long slow death I suspect.

I voted for Trump in 2016 for two reasons only - 2A and the hope that he would bring term limits. McConnell, Pelosi, and the other ghouls who haunt and stymie our democracy need to be exorcised but McConnell very quickly got Trump under his thumb and for anyone who thinks trump did any swamp draining... puhleeze. Show me the arrests...

We're in a position now, because of career politicians, where we hope our elected officials will do what they promised and if they don't, usually, we just go ahead and vote for them again anyway because 'party'...

we get who we deserve. It's like I say to my kids when broccoli is on the plate, "you get what you get and you don't get upset".

 

[MtnCreek]

I agree 100% with @kthomas about the money aspect. Fairtax would kill k st and remove more power from D.C. Than anything else short of nuking it from orbit (which I'm not against).

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Very interesting discussion...

Thanks!

This place never disappoints when it comes to ideas and viewpoints.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[E. Bryant]

After four years of Biden we'll take any shit sandwich the Republican party throws our way, so I don't predict any good outcomes. Remember that the first four years of Obama somehow yielded Romney as the best choice, and had Trump sat on the sidelines for 2016, we'd still be bitching about how Hillary wiped up the electoral map with Jeb.

Trump running as a 3rd-party candidate is a concept that I could get behind, if the Republican party so much as hints at going back to its neocon ways. But I'd much rather see the GOP evolve into something useful. Trump showed us that there is a populist paths to success, but it requires that the Republicans suppress some of its uglier recent tendencies - namely, a willingness to sell out the middle class for profit and the need to exert our will across the world via military force. Trump showed us a path; let's not be too quick to drift from it.

 

[ManUtdManiac]

the Republicans suppress some of its uglier recent tendencies - namely, a willingness to sell out the middle class for profit and the need to exert our will across the world via military force. Trump showed us a path; let's not be too quick to drift from it.

This is the heart of it, for me. I've always been conservative with the traditional sense of the word in regards to philosophy. Reps used to be the party of the individual, the big tent, but no more. They are full on corporatists and they care as much about individual freedoms as the Dems who are, essentially, the exact same animal except with their own populist spots (abortion, anti-2A).

I don't want oil and gas companies destryonig our open spaces. I don't want public land being land-locked and denied access to by snarky land developers who just want to put up more Seizure Villages for old fucks to piss themselves to death. I would rather Reps. had a few, but very clear missions -

1. to preserve the constitution in it's originalist form and spirit as a manifesto of a federal republic devised to ensure enduring freedoms and rights

2. to preserve and protect our nation and core national interests without hesitation or dilution of the efficacy of our diplomatic, armed and allied alliances

3. Deny the destruction of our environment by short-term planning and corporate exceptionalism (I'm channeling Ted Roosevelt here)

4. Destroy, with extreme prejudice, Liverpool FC or at least force Klopp to manage Man United.

These I believe are things we can all support .....

 

[Rickstir]

Trump is a third party! He was smart enough to know he could not get elected if he ran as a third party candidate so he ran as a Republican.

Rick