Time for the HK 416?
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Re: Time for the HK 416?
The hat I would have ditched the first or second time I had to fuck with it. It's like one of the old Holywood movies with the GI constantly running around with his hand on his head- a waste of time.
It looks like he could really have benefited from a can too, the dust kicked up by his muzzle blast interacting with the wall at the start of the video seems to really screw with visibility.
The magazines he's using look terribly beat up. Bad mags are the best way to get malfs. It's hard to tell if the first round he fires is in the video, but the video starts with his port door open. The caps on his ACOG are missing- that's a sign of potential poor care.
I would bet if he had good mags he'd not be having issues. The aluminum mags suck compared to Magpul mags, because the aluminum gets peened and dented when people drop armor and gear, the magpul polymer is more resilient with this type of damage- so soldiers with Magpul mags are more likely to have functioning mags long after the aluminum GI mags are totally BEAT.
The hat I would have ditched the first or second time I had to fuck with it. It's like one of the old Holywood movies with the GI constantly running around with his hand on his head- a waste of time.
It looks like he could really have benefited from a can too, the dust kicked up by his muzzle blast interacting with the wall at the start of the video seems to really screw with visibility.
The magazines he's using look terribly beat up. Bad mags are the best way to get malfs. It's hard to tell if the first round he fires is in the video, but the video starts with his port door open. The caps on his ACOG are missing- that's a sign of potential poor care.
I would bet if he had good mags he'd not be having issues. The aluminum mags suck compared to Magpul mags, because the aluminum gets peened and dented when people drop armor and gear, the magpul polymer is more resilient with this type of damage- so soldiers with Magpul mags are more likely to have functioning mags long after the aluminum GI mags are totally BEAT.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The hat I would have ditched the first or second time I had to fuck with it. It's like one of the old Holywood movies with the GI constantly running around with his hand on his head- a waste of time.
It looks like he could really have benefited from a can too, the dust kicked up by his muzzle blast interacting with the wall at the start of the video seems to really screw with visibility.
The magazines he's using look terribly beat up. Bad mags are the best way to get malfs. It's hard to tell if the first round he fires is in the video, but the video starts with his port door open. The caps on his ACOG are missing- that's a sign of potential poor care.
I would bet if he had good mags he'd not be having issues. The aluminum mags suck compared to Magpul mags, because the aluminum gets peened and dented when people drop armor and gear, the magpul polymer is more resilient with this type of damage- so soldiers with Magpul mags are more likely to have functioning mags long after the aluminum GI mags are totally BEAT.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The hat I would have ditched the first or second time I had to fuck with it. It's like one of the old Holywood movies with the GI constantly running around with his hand on his head- a waste of time.
It looks like he could really have benefited from a can too, the dust kicked up by his muzzle blast interacting with the wall at the start of the video seems to really screw with visibility.
The magazines he's using look terribly beat up. Bad mags are the best way to get malfs. It's hard to tell if the first round he fires is in the video, but the video starts with his port door open. The caps on his ACOG are missing- that's a sign of potential poor care.
I would bet if he had good mags he'd not be having issues. The aluminum mags suck compared to Magpul mags, because the aluminum gets peened and dented when people drop armor and gear, the magpul polymer is more resilient with this type of damage- so soldiers with Magpul mags are more likely to have functioning mags long after the aluminum GI mags are totally BEAT.
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Re: Time for the HK 416?
I don't even know where to start with this....awful lack of professionalism. Weapons handling, trigger "pull", lack of a helmet, no chest rig (so he's not mibile, possibly Fobbit).
PMAGS are not "the" solution and are not available to most line units. Keeping good mags is important, turning in mags that malfunction is too(wondering if they are even maintained). Keeping weapons clean yet serviceable in a dry dusty, dirty environment even more so.
I'm done, out here.
I don't even know where to start with this....awful lack of professionalism. Weapons handling, trigger "pull", lack of a helmet, no chest rig (so he's not mibile, possibly Fobbit).
PMAGS are not "the" solution and are not available to most line units. Keeping good mags is important, turning in mags that malfunction is too(wondering if they are even maintained). Keeping weapons clean yet serviceable in a dry dusty, dirty environment even more so.
I'm done, out here.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
I never had a jam with my M249 or any of the M16/M4's i was issued. The only difference between the ones that got jams and myself was a little CLP. I only ever used the issued aluminum or steel magazines. Guys with PMAGS got jams too. Just need a little lubrication and cleaning when needed. People get lazy and start skipping the drop of CLP before a patrol.
I never had a jam with my M249 or any of the M16/M4's i was issued. The only difference between the ones that got jams and myself was a little CLP. I only ever used the issued aluminum or steel magazines. Guys with PMAGS got jams too. Just need a little lubrication and cleaning when needed. People get lazy and start skipping the drop of CLP before a patrol.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
And yet many of you would state AK47 reliability is not an advantage and that M4/16 are better weapons.
If you've got problems with issued magazines then there is A PROBLEM if people are not cleaning their weapons (regardless of the amount of cleaning required - ak47/m16) you've got A PROBLEM (as dude next to you might get himself and you killed cause his rifle will jam...).
I don't know how US forces handle weapon inspections/issuing/QC check but i'd imagine there must be a system in place which will require all issued weapons to be checked by armorer regularly. Maybe the whole video is just a setup to make M4 look bad dunno but there are several sources claiming the same thing so where there's smoke there's fire.
But i agree HK is an overpriced brand and while certainly good it's pricing is just overboard to be anything but a spec ops weapon.
And yet many of you would state AK47 reliability is not an advantage and that M4/16 are better weapons.
If you've got problems with issued magazines then there is A PROBLEM if people are not cleaning their weapons (regardless of the amount of cleaning required - ak47/m16) you've got A PROBLEM (as dude next to you might get himself and you killed cause his rifle will jam...).
I don't know how US forces handle weapon inspections/issuing/QC check but i'd imagine there must be a system in place which will require all issued weapons to be checked by armorer regularly. Maybe the whole video is just a setup to make M4 look bad dunno but there are several sources claiming the same thing so where there's smoke there's fire.
But i agree HK is an overpriced brand and while certainly good it's pricing is just overboard to be anything but a spec ops weapon.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: apache kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
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Uhhhhh... Not true.
The AK does malfunction, the mags do go bad in an AK. Yes, the AK system is more durable and has a better life span but it also lacks accuracy and ergonomics.
I am sick of hearing people classifying the M4/M16 as old technology as if we should toss it a side because it no longer works. The Special Operations community had the option to go to the SCAR and for the most part the turned it down. The did so for many reasons but one reason was that the SCAR is no better than the M4 platform.
Our guy in the video definitely lacks training proper training. He is not even attempting a proper immediate action when he encounters a failure to fire. He consistently rides the charging handle forward and the more he shoots the more frequent the malfunctions are which suggests lack of proper lubrication. A few of those instances were not even malfunctions, they were him running out of ammo. Several prior posts already covered the other aspects of our shooters problems but pleas do not blame the weapon in this case.
The piston system is a costly solution to a problem that does not exist for the 556.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: apache kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
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Uhhhhh... Not true.
The AK does malfunction, the mags do go bad in an AK. Yes, the AK system is more durable and has a better life span but it also lacks accuracy and ergonomics.
I am sick of hearing people classifying the M4/M16 as old technology as if we should toss it a side because it no longer works. The Special Operations community had the option to go to the SCAR and for the most part the turned it down. The did so for many reasons but one reason was that the SCAR is no better than the M4 platform.
Our guy in the video definitely lacks training proper training. He is not even attempting a proper immediate action when he encounters a failure to fire. He consistently rides the charging handle forward and the more he shoots the more frequent the malfunctions are which suggests lack of proper lubrication. A few of those instances were not even malfunctions, they were him running out of ammo. Several prior posts already covered the other aspects of our shooters problems but pleas do not blame the weapon in this case.
The piston system is a costly solution to a problem that does not exist for the 556.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: apache kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
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I never had a jam in a gunfight, using M4 carbines for 3 years in Iraq.
I also was issued an M14 in 2004-2005- it was alright- I never had a jam with it either, but it was heavy, and it did have a really thin barrel that lost accuracy noticeably after the first 5-6 rounds fired. If you let it cool for a few minutes, accuracy would come right back. I had a tool kit for it- a flash hider castle nut wrench a gas cylinder holding tool, and a gas cylinder nut wrench. You don't need tools for an AR.
The M14's fatal flaw, is the steel reciever which is just a giant waste of weight that could be used on the barrel. That's why the LMT MWS is the go to gun for coalition forces these days- the weight saved with an aluminum receiver gives the rifleman a free heavy barrel instead of a pencil thin piece of garbage.
<span style="font-weight: bold">The M14/std pencil barrel/Sage EBR stock/BMT scope mount weighs a pound more than the LMT MWS with its heavier barrel.- you don't need a scope mount on the MWS-it's built into the top of the reciever. </span>
That's an extra pound for a lower performance system without a floated barrel. When they replaced the M14 with the M16, they made a good decision.
The M14 magazine weighs ~4 ounces more than a Magpul P-mag for the MWS, so here you save another 1.25lbs in a typical basic load of 5 20 round mags.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: apache kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the meantime the bad guys are using AK's and never have a malf.
Never clean their worn out weapons and never have problems with magazines.
The M4/M16 "sacred cow" is 50 year old technology that should have never been.
You never saw these M4/M16 high maintenance complications with the M1 or M14.
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I never had a jam in a gunfight, using M4 carbines for 3 years in Iraq.
I also was issued an M14 in 2004-2005- it was alright- I never had a jam with it either, but it was heavy, and it did have a really thin barrel that lost accuracy noticeably after the first 5-6 rounds fired. If you let it cool for a few minutes, accuracy would come right back. I had a tool kit for it- a flash hider castle nut wrench a gas cylinder holding tool, and a gas cylinder nut wrench. You don't need tools for an AR.
The M14's fatal flaw, is the steel reciever which is just a giant waste of weight that could be used on the barrel. That's why the LMT MWS is the go to gun for coalition forces these days- the weight saved with an aluminum receiver gives the rifleman a free heavy barrel instead of a pencil thin piece of garbage.
<span style="font-weight: bold">The M14/std pencil barrel/Sage EBR stock/BMT scope mount weighs a pound more than the LMT MWS with its heavier barrel.- you don't need a scope mount on the MWS-it's built into the top of the reciever. </span>
That's an extra pound for a lower performance system without a floated barrel. When they replaced the M14 with the M16, they made a good decision.
The M14 magazine weighs ~4 ounces more than a Magpul P-mag for the MWS, so here you save another 1.25lbs in a typical basic load of 5 20 round mags.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
What's the source of this video? Who shot it? Why?
All the 'odd stuff' in it is covered above. Gear, uniform/hat, riding charging handle, mags, etc. etc. etc.
So... what's the source of the video and is it real combat footage?? Or was it made-up to try and prove some political point on Live Leak?
Cheers,
Sirhr
What's the source of this video? Who shot it? Why?
All the 'odd stuff' in it is covered above. Gear, uniform/hat, riding charging handle, mags, etc. etc. etc.
So... what's the source of the video and is it real combat footage?? Or was it made-up to try and prove some political point on Live Leak?
Cheers,
Sirhr
Re: Time for the HK 416?
I can't officially vouch for it but it seems like authentic combat footage with the sound of incoming rounds (snaps). Guys make good/dumb videos all the time on deployment. The guy in the video probably propped a camera on a rock and shot himself. Might've been in a fob if he was rushing to something and didn't put his kevlar on.
I can't officially vouch for it but it seems like authentic combat footage with the sound of incoming rounds (snaps). Guys make good/dumb videos all the time on deployment. The guy in the video probably propped a camera on a rock and shot himself. Might've been in a fob if he was rushing to something and didn't put his kevlar on.
Re: Time for the HK 416?
Screw the 416, he needs to learn how to properly handle his weapon. fobbit for sure!
Screw the 416, he needs to learn how to properly handle his weapon. fobbit for sure!
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Re: Time for the HK 416?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the source of this video? Who shot it? Why?
All the 'odd stuff' in it is covered above. Gear, uniform/hat, riding charging handle, mags, etc. etc. etc.
So... what's the source of the video and is it real combat footage?? Or was it made-up to try and prove some political point on Live Leak?
Cheers,
Sirhr
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Agreed. I had too many questions that began with: "Why is he...?" to take this seriously. While I don't share 427's disdain for the 416, I do agree it would not have helped this chap. I think we can all agree the one thing still holds true:
Take care of you shit!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sirhrmechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the source of this video? Who shot it? Why?
All the 'odd stuff' in it is covered above. Gear, uniform/hat, riding charging handle, mags, etc. etc. etc.
So... what's the source of the video and is it real combat footage?? Or was it made-up to try and prove some political point on Live Leak?
Cheers,
Sirhr
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Agreed. I had too many questions that began with: "Why is he...?" to take this seriously. While I don't share 427's disdain for the 416, I do agree it would not have helped this chap. I think we can all agree the one thing still holds true:
Take care of you shit!
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