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Titanium fire pin does it help?
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Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
On what kind of firearm? Lock time is important but misfire elimination is more important
On what kind of firearm? Lock time is important but misfire elimination is more important
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
Your probably much better off spending your money a high speed trigger like a Geissele. You will never notice a lock time difference with the titanium firing pin.
Your probably much better off spending your money a high speed trigger like a Geissele. You will never notice a lock time difference with the titanium firing pin.
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
I have never tried one but they seem to be wasted money to me. What problem would it be solving?
I have never tried one but they seem to be wasted money to me. What problem would it be solving?
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
The things I've read have touted shorter lock time, and reduced risk of slam fires.
I have not used one, basic physics indicates they probably do decrease locktime, which is one of those things that probably won't make much difference most shooters. I've had allot of dimpled primers of varying degrees, in fact every one I've ever ejected that an AR chambered, but I've never had a slam fire, so I'm not worried about reducing the risk.
I would worry about mis-fires from the pin not having enough mass, atleast until I ran it long enough without any.
The things I've read have touted shorter lock time, and reduced risk of slam fires.
I have not used one, basic physics indicates they probably do decrease locktime, which is one of those things that probably won't make much difference most shooters. I've had allot of dimpled primers of varying degrees, in fact every one I've ever ejected that an AR chambered, but I've never had a slam fire, so I'm not worried about reducing the risk.
I would worry about mis-fires from the pin not having enough mass, atleast until I ran it long enough without any.
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Plus one on the suggestion of a high end two stage trigger like the Geiselle or CG Xtreme whose lock times are in the 4 to 4.5ms range. This is more than twice as good as a standard mil spec trigger whose lock time could be as much as 10 to 12 ms. I could see the possibility of decreased slam fires, but not reduced lock time with an inertia based system like the AR. Also, if you pop a primer say goodbye to the firing pin tip and they don't wear as well if you don't have a shrouded carrier. Slam fires would not be an issue with a spring biased firing pin like the Armalite offers anyway.
Plus one on the suggestion of a high end two stage trigger like the Geiselle or CG Xtreme whose lock times are in the 4 to 4.5ms range. This is more than twice as good as a standard mil spec trigger whose lock time could be as much as 10 to 12 ms. I could see the possibility of decreased slam fires, but not reduced lock time with an inertia based system like the AR. Also, if you pop a primer say goodbye to the firing pin tip and they don't wear as well if you don't have a shrouded carrier. Slam fires would not be an issue with a spring biased firing pin like the Armalite offers anyway.
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
Buying one is like buying a gas tube cleaner. Spend your money on a good trigger like everyone else said. I wouldn't waste my money on something that won't change a thing but could become a problem.
Buying one is like buying a gas tube cleaner. Spend your money on a good trigger like everyone else said. I wouldn't waste my money on something that won't change a thing but could become a problem.
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
I had one in a 1911 and it worked flawlessly, in a rifle, i would use the Tubb speed lock system.
I had one in a 1911 and it worked flawlessly, in a rifle, i would use the Tubb speed lock system.
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
Improved locktime can solve a problem, but the problem is not as common as it might seem.
If the rifle is being swung, as in wing shooting, or is unsupported, as in offhand; then a faster locktime <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">may</span></span> offer a benefit.
If the rifle is being fired from a bipod or rest, or from a relatively steady sling-supported position, it's highly unlikely that any noticeable benefit will result.
Greg
Improved locktime can solve a problem, but the problem is not as common as it might seem.
If the rifle is being swung, as in wing shooting, or is unsupported, as in offhand; then a faster locktime <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">may</span></span> offer a benefit.
If the rifle is being fired from a bipod or rest, or from a relatively steady sling-supported position, it's highly unlikely that any noticeable benefit will result.
Greg
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
They don't last very long compared to a steel firing pin. The one I tried lasted about 1200 rds before it started puncturing primers, which really caused problems. . . . .
Stick with a normal firing pin. Buy spares with the $ you would have spent on the Ti one. . .
They don't last very long compared to a steel firing pin. The one I tried lasted about 1200 rds before it started puncturing primers, which really caused problems. . . . .
Stick with a normal firing pin. Buy spares with the $ you would have spent on the Ti one. . .
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
". . . does it help?"
Help just exactly WHAT problem???
Lock time is really a factor only when you have a wobble area that causes you concern, and even then a faster lock time is likely to "help" only for whatever percentage of shots you fire which break as the bullet-launcher is drifting AWAY from the target.
If you're out and drifting TOWARDS the target, then faster lock time doesn't help, it can hurt.
Think it through.
I do not believe that the difference in lock time is enough to make a practical difference.
Solution in search of a problem, as Col. Cooper used to say.
". . . does it help?"
Help just exactly WHAT problem???
Lock time is really a factor only when you have a wobble area that causes you concern, and even then a faster lock time is likely to "help" only for whatever percentage of shots you fire which break as the bullet-launcher is drifting AWAY from the target.
If you're out and drifting TOWARDS the target, then faster lock time doesn't help, it can hurt.
Think it through.
I do not believe that the difference in lock time is enough to make a practical difference.
Solution in search of a problem, as Col. Cooper used to say.
Re: Titanium fire pin does it help?
I'm guessing that the same thing that reduces lock time, is the same thing that reduces the chance of slam fires....and also causes the misfires. There just isn't any free lunch, as with prescription drugs, even the best ones have some side effect(s).
I'm guessing that the same thing that reduces lock time, is the same thing that reduces the chance of slam fires....and also causes the misfires. There just isn't any free lunch, as with prescription drugs, even the best ones have some side effect(s).
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