to brake or not to brake?

[coach4christ]

Ok, here is what I have got. My remmy 5r 308 is about to get a facelift. I have a kreiger 53 11.25 barrel on the way. My smith is going to blueprint the action and install the barrel. I am thinking really hard about letting him install a surefire muzzle brake/suppressor adaptor with the intent of adding a suppressing down the road. My question is will the brake have any negative effect on the accuracy of the barrel. Has anyone noticed degrading in their rifles accuracy. Hypothetically, a brake will make it more accurate right? Thanks for the help.

Coach

 

[rgvt4]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

I don't think it will affect the accuracy. I think it will help you shoot better. JMO

 

[JC Steel]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Accuracy will be the same. And it will allow you to stay on target better because it will decrease recoil

 

[wrhunter]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

It will also let you see your impacts easier and allow for better follow up shots.

 

[The_FNG]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

If you dont like the brake you can always take it off but you might as well get the barrel threaded while it's in the lathe for when you get your suppressor.

 

[Mike]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

A brake is always the answer.

 

[MagnumSecurity]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

It won't decrease your accuracy, just your hearing.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

BRAKE! Give Precision Armament a look, esp their M11. I have tried YHM, SF, JP, and I swear by this Brake, and it's accuracy, and not POI shift. And do yourself a favor and get their brake timing kit, it is sweet, and works perfectly.

Thats, factory tube, 20", 5R, and there were only 20 rds down brrl, and a pretty sorry shooter behind the gun shooting prone. Makes shooting so easy, can almost free recoil it.

 

[Overflow10]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Don't do it. Waste of money. Will ruin your accuracy. You'll regret it the rest of your life.

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Not really... I did the same thing with my 308 5R. Helped reduce muzzle jump, no accuracy change.

The one thing I did different was put on a RAD removable brake. That way if I wanted to shoot with the F-class/high power group I could shoot without the brake.

YMMV

 

[Graham]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coach4christ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My question is will the brake have any negative effect on the accuracy of the barrel.</div></div>No.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coach4christ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hypothetically, a brake will make it more accurate right?</div></div>No.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

A Brake very well "could" make you more accurate. I had a buddy who shot 4" groups with his 30/06 and was wondering why. I let him shoot my range, and saw his groups, loaded a piece of brass only into his chamber, and handed him the gun. When he "pulled" the trigger his rear end came about 3" off the chair, closed his eyes. I said there's your problem, send it to a smith for Brake, and a cpl weeks later he brought it back, with a blended "Vais" Brake, and the same ammo was printing 1"-1.5" groups, with factory loads. SO! Yes a Brake can make "YOU"more accurate, as in being more comfortable, but I have never saw a Brake make the gun more accurate. Cans? A different story. I don't own one, but shot a cpl, and I'm amazed at some of their accuracy.

 

[desertfox01]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

As said, before it is not a accuracy issue with a brake....but a noise issue....The Surefire brake is not as obnoxious as some of the brakes on the marked.

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

A brake on a 308,is about the dumbest thing you could do.

 

[Ryan Brownshoe]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A brake on a 308,is about the dumbest thing you could do. </div></div>

I think your post is the dumbest thing you could do...

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

"Thinking" very obviously isn't your longsuit and I'm laughing in advance at your haste to prove that very point.

Mall Ninja away and regale me with your keen "insight",if only because it will be funnier than fuck.

 

[turbo54]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Thinking" very obviously isn't your longsuit and I'm laughing in advance at your haste to prove that very point.

Mall Ninja away and regale me with your keen "insight",if only because it will be funnier than fuck. </div></div>

When are you going to start posting pictures of your daughter shooting, Larry?

Welcome back.

Anyone wanna take bets on how long before the ban-hammer is redeployed?

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

One of Life's constants,is that Whiners will always whine.

Bless their hearts!

 

[Temp9]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Back on topic, brakes also keep the muzzle crown protected. I've dumped the muzzle on my rifle in the dirt a few times. One time it was slung across my back, muzzle down. Leaned down without realizing close the muzzle was to the ground. Another time, my idiot friend was shooting it in a sitting position, got tired, and dumped the muzzle into the dirt. I haven't taken him shooting since.... Thankfully, the crown is in perfect condition thanks to the brake.

 

[Graham]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

It is even dumber to use a muzzle brake as an impact guard. Besides, a recessed crown serves the same function.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Seriously? No Brake is better? I know all the BIG tough men who just aren't affected by recoil. Hmmm Must have a lot of scar tissue from something I dunno, but my 22/250 recoils enough that I don't like it, and will be installing a Brake. Now days we have muffs, that help you hear game walking, and block all loud sound, so even if your a hunter, a brake is fine. What would you rather shoot, a hard, or soft recoiling rifle? I think Brakes are good on any caliber, it's the Ops choice,& that's that. Some guys are just tougher though, and I bet Barrett will set you up a 50 cal, with no Brake, and save you a lil $.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A brake on a 308,is about the dumbest thing you could do. </div></div>

If you had a Brake, your signature wouldn't have to say "This is gonna hurt" See problem solved

 

[coach4christ]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Thanks for the replies. It is not a toughness thing with me. If you dont know, the brake that I am looking at is an adaptor for the surefire suppressor. If I weren't going to suppress, I probably wouldn't go with a brake. I just wanted to see if you guys thought that a brake would mess with the harmonics of the barrel or not. Thanks to the guys who chimmed in. Good shootin,

Coach

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coach4christ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies. It is not a toughness thing with me. If you dont know, the brake that I am looking at is an adaptor for the surefire suppressor. If I weren't going to suppress, I probably wouldn't go with a brake. I just wanted to see if you guys thought that a brake would mess with the harmonics of the barrel or not. Thanks to the guys who chimmed in. Good shootin,

Coach </div></div>

Your right it's not a "tough" at all. 308's dont have much recoil, but in a 20" I promise you it will bounce around more than a 24, or 26. That was my problem, and Thanks to Precision Amrament, (or any Brake you wanna run) it will help with your shooting, but if I was gonna run a can, your on the right way with your choice.I know they make FH's as well, but I'd choose a Brake, unless your doing Tactical Operations, or Sec. Contractor work.

 

[The_FNG]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coach4christ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies. It is not a toughness thing with me. If you dont know, the brake that I am looking at is an adaptor for the surefire suppressor. If I weren't going to suppress, I probably wouldn't go with a brake. I just wanted to see if you guys thought that a brake would mess with the harmonics of the barrel or not. Thanks to the guys who chimmed in. Good shootin,

Coach </div></div>

Just go straight for the suppressor, they reduce recoil a bit and save your ears, win/win

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the_fng</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coach4christ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies. It is not a toughness thing with me. If you dont know, the brake that I am looking at is an adaptor for the surefire suppressor. If I weren't going to suppress, I probably wouldn't go with a brake. I just wanted to see if you guys thought that a brake would mess with the harmonics of the barrel or not. Thanks to the guys who chimmed in. Good shootin,

Coach </div></div>

FACT!

Just go straight for the suppressor, they reduce recoil a bit and save your ears, win/win </div></div>

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groundhogbuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seriously? No Brake is better? I know all the BIG tough men who just aren't affected by recoil. Hmmm Must have a lot of scar tissue from something I dunno, but my 22/250 recoils enough that I don't like it, and will be installing a Brake. Now days we have muffs, that help you hear game walking, and block all loud sound, so even if your a hunter, a brake is fine. What would you rather shoot, a hard, or soft recoiling rifle? I think Brakes are good on any caliber, it's the Ops choice,& that's that. Some guys are just tougher though, and I bet Barrett will set you up a 50 cal, with no Brake, and save you a lil $. </div></div>


LOVE the whine and undoubtedly you've years of experience,perfecting same. Congratulations?


Much to be said for building with balance/handling being the foremost thought and knowing how to drive a rifle. I get it that you Mall Ninja Windowlickers think you can purchase competency and practice,but I'll letcha in on a little secret...you can't.

BB illustrating nicely how to stay on task,from a makeshift prone hasty rest,ala 375H&H Ackley Improved. Might even be poignant.

RINK


Perspective.

You were saying? Laffin'!

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Wow! That's unbelievable. You are the new Chuck Norris. Can't believe you shoot that huge round without a Brake.
If ya got the $ you can go anywhere in the world, and kill anything, and they'll fix ya breakfast, lunch, and even clean your caged animal for ya.


Yep still laughin,lol. But I'm gonna miss Gold Rush, so HD is better than camera pic. of another man smilin at me.

 

[turbo54]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groundhogbuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Wow! That's unbelievable. You are the new Chuck Norris. Can't believe you shoot that huge round without a Brake.
If ya got the $ you can go anywhere in the world, and kill anything, and they'll fix ya breakfast, lunch, and even clean your caged animal for ya.


Yep still laughin,lol. But I'm gonna miss Gold Rush, so HD is better than camera pic. of another man smilin at me. </div></div>

Just go with it. Larry knows everything about everything, and can do anything better than anyone - at all times. He'll be banned (again, for the umpteenth time) soon.

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Stupidity is the gift that keeps on giving and it'd be rude to slight how large your "gift" is.

Feel free to talk out your ass,in regards to those things you know the least about,as you feign a first fucking clue. I'll happily rub your nose in your own stupidity and use itty-bitty words,so even someone as stupid as you,can follow along.

Ain't perpetually hilarious,how Reality collides with Fantasy. Move along and go practice Pretend,with your vastly "experienced" Imagination.

Laffin'!

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

'54,

Your insecurities are exceedingly wellfounded and your Whine wonderous.

Where do you do nothing dumbfucks come from?

Wow +P.

 

[turbo54]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'54,

Your insecurities are exceedingly wellfounded and your Whine wonderous.

Where do you do nothing dumbfucks come from?

Wow +P.

</div></div>

What are you talking about, Larry?

What part of my post wasn't complete fact?

Are you suggesting you don't in fact know everything???

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

10-4 Turbo, and thanks for update. You are right Mr big words fast twist. I work for DOD and know nothing. I sowwy

 

[Jcas2012]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groundhogbuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seriously? No Brake is better? I know all the BIG tough men who just aren't affected by recoil. Hmmm Must have a lot of scar tissue from something I dunno, but my 22/250 recoils enough that I don't like it, and will be installing a Brake. Now days we have muffs, that help you hear game walking, and block all loud sound, so even if your a hunter, a brake is fine. What would you rather shoot, a hard, or soft recoiling rifle? I think Brakes are good on any caliber, it's the Ops choice,& that's that. Some guys are just tougher though, and I bet Barrett will set you up a 50 cal, with no Brake, and save you a lil $. </div></div>


LOVE the whine and undoubtedly you've years of experience,perfecting same. Congratulations?


Much to be said for building with balance/handling being the foremost thought and knowing how to drive a rifle. I get it that you Mall Ninja Windowlickers think you can purchase competency and practice,but I'll letcha in on a little secret...you can't.

BB illustrating nicely how to stay on task,from a makeshift prone hasty rest,ala 375H&H Ackley Improved. Might even be poignant.

RINK


Perspective.

You were saying? Laffin'!

</div></div>

Because I am sure posting a picture of your rifle and a bear you managed to shoot while out hunting somehow makes you qualified to tell all of the members on here how your wealth of knowledge and "real" experience make your opinion on here somehow matter more than theres. Give your input on the man's question in professional manner and act like a freakin adult. No one wants to hear about how you can "drive a rifle" and how amazing you are at laying down to take a shot.

To answer your question, I have had the same dilemma and I decided to brake my rifle for a few reasons. One it is more enjoyable to shoot all day long, easier follow up shots and target aquisition. I would go for it and check out the little bastard by APA. Oh and everything I have learned is from good guys and experienced gunsmiths on here. And like someone else said. It's the perfect time to do it.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCas45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groundhogbuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seriously? No Brake is better? I know all the BIG tough men who just aren't affected by recoil. Hmmm Must have a lot of scar tissue from something I dunno, but my 22/250 recoils enough that I don't like it, and will be installing a Brake. Now days we have muffs, that help you hear game walking, and block all loud sound, so even if your a hunter, a brake is fine. What would you rather shoot, a hard, or soft recoiling rifle? I think Brakes are good on any caliber, it's the Ops choice,& that's that. Some guys are just tougher though, and I bet Barrett will set you up a 50 cal, with no Brake, and save you a lil $. </div></div>


LOVE the whine and undoubtedly you've years of experience,perfecting same. Congratulations?


Much to be said for building with balance/handling being the foremost thought and knowing how to drive a rifle. I get it that you Mall Ninja Windowlickers think you can purchase competency and practice,but I'll letcha in on a little secret...you can't.

BB illustrating nicely how to stay on task,from a makeshift prone hasty rest,ala 375H&H Ackley Improved. Might even be poignant.

RINK


Perspective.

You were saying? Laffin'!

</div></div>

Because I am sure posting a picture of your rifle and a bear you managed to shoot while out hunting somehow makes you qualified to tell all of the members on here how your wealth of knowledge and "real" experience make your opinion on here somehow matter more than theres. Give your input on the man's question in professional manner and act like a freakin adult. No one wants to hear about how you can "drive a rifle" and how amazing you are at laying down to take a shot.

To answer your question, I have had the same dilemma and I decided to brake my rifle for a few reasons. One it is more enjoyable to shoot all day long, easier follow up shots and target aquisition. I would go for it and check out the little bastard by APA. Oh and everything I have learned is from good guys and experienced gunsmiths on here. And like someone else said. It's the perfect time to do it. </div></div>

I am so glad there are good guys on here. That's the reason I'm here, and every BR or shoot I've been to has been nothing but cool guys like this. Super nice, and willing to help others, not show his rifle and say big words. God Bless this site, and guys on it. And God Bless you Fast Twist, I feel sorry for you... really.

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

turbo',

You are an amazingly clueless Boob...but your Whine is routinely exceptional.

I'll feign my "surprise" that you are getting further and further from rifle particulars,though are headlong into your Vagina Monologue.

Congratulations?

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: groundhogbuster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 10-4 Turbo, and thanks for update. You are right Mr big words fast twist. I work for DOD and know nothing. I sowwy </div></div>


'buster,

Are you bitching or bragging?

You are at the mercy of your faculties and in fairness,shit can't get any funnier than that.

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

'45,

I get it,that all points germane to the crux,flew right over your pointy tinfoil hat and please don't think that ain't hilarious.

I'm REALLY enjoying the "harrowing" recoil chronicles of a "dastardly" unbraked 308,wearing a heavy spout to boot. Feel free to wax eloquent as only you can,in regards to the "rigors" associated with managing that "much" recoil,no matter how the rifle is driven. Perhaps you'll be able to sneak one by me and hope that I've never been around such a "formidable" platform. Laffin'!

Pics of your Blue Parking Permit,helmet and drool bib...would definately drive your point home,as you Pretend to Imagine a first clue. Points awarded for the humor associated,of you having to suffer your "abilities",as a barometer of evaluation.

Shit...stack 3 brakes in succession and really ring the bell!

 

[Twist Fast]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

'buster,

It cracks me up to lead you to water and watch you refrain refreshment.

Imagination and Pretend...simply ain't Reality,no matter how badly you wish it to be.

Just sayin'.

 

[turbo54]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ain't perpetually hilarious,how Reality collides with Fantasy. Move along and go practice Pretend,with your vastly "experienced" Imagination.

Laffin'!</div></div>

Takes a lot of honest self-reflection to come up with something as sage as this.

Thanks for the insight, Larry - helps explain things.

 

[Wannashootit]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Well,
I'm certainly no expert on brakes, as I've just installed my first one on my new 7-08 build.

Can I "handle" the recoil of the round like a real man?
All day long...it's a pea shooter.

However, my intent is hopefully to minimize bipod hop so I can sopt my own hits on the steel at long range- and not need one of my sons to spot for me.

I'll find out on the first range trip if it produces the intended effect.

 

[base]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the_fng</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you dont like the brake you can always take it off but you might as well get the barrel threaded while it's in the lathe for when you get your suppressor. </div></div>

+1 here

 

[Jaytrigger]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Nothing but Gain with a Brake on it. You can always just put a thread protector on it.

 

[JayCarver]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Might as well have it done while it's at the smith, like others have said if you don't like it just put on a thread protector.

 

[Bradu]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

After shooting a rifle with a brake on it, that's the only way I will have a rifle built. I am going to send off my 5r and have the barrel cut down and a RAD brake put on it in the spring. Call me a pussy but it makes shooting more enjoyable and I have seen too many people develop a flinching problem that causes their shooting to go to shit.

 

[Dark Horse]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twist Fast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'45,

I get it,that all points germane to the crux,flew right over your pointy tinfoil hat and please don't think that ain't hilarious.

I'm REALLY enjoying the "harrowing" recoil chronicles of a "dastardly" unbraked 308,wearing a heavy spout to boot. Feel free to wax eloquent as only you can,in regards to the "rigors" associated with managing that "much" recoil,no matter how the rifle is driven. Perhaps you'll be able to sneak one by me and hope that I've never been around such a "formidable" platform. Laffin'!

Pics of your Blue Parking Permit,helmet and drool bib...would definately drive your point home,as you Pretend to Imagine a first clue. Points awarded for the humor associated,of you having to suffer your "abilities",as a barometer of evaluation.

Shit...stack 3 brakes in succession and really ring the bell!



</div></div>

Seriously, I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you. Your sustained chest-pounding is getting tiresome at best but I presume it's due to a medical condition you have not been treated for or ran out of meds.

Nothing a good rear naked choke wouldn't take care of though...

 

[No Shitter]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Didn't mean to horn you up.

The only thing you shoot is your mouth.

 

[No Shitter]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well,
I'm certainly no expert on brakes, as I've just installed my first one on my new 7-08 build.

Can I "handle" the recoil of the round like a real man?
All day long...it's a pea shooter.

However, my intent is hopefully to minimize bipod hop so I can sopt my own hits on the steel at long range- and not need one of my sons to spot for me.

I'll find out on the first range trip if it produces the intended effect. </div></div>


Seeing trace/impact is a breeze,with a well balanced platform and a good driver. 'Course noone hates Hubble-esque glass,more than I.

Hell...I even hate brakes on my trailers.

Just sayin'.

 

[338RUM runner]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

Hell if ya got the TRD ya got all the brake ya need, Just sayin'. I'm a little older and going for brakes on all my guns. PS: Air bag that TRD

 

[No Shitter]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

The TURD do nice things.

I reckon age has aided my abilities to reliably arrange a visual on both trace and impact...if only in the interest of conversation.

 

[338RUM runner]

Re: to brake or not to brake?

No Shitter, Just noticed, Welcome to the Hide and thanks for the info i will use it well.