To build or not to build???

Boss334OP

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I am looking at getting my first AR and was wondering if I should build or buy a stock AR and modify it later... I have heard that building is not that hard but am hesitant as I have only swapped stocks and installed rails/optics on my bolt guns (never anything more complicated than: unscrew, remove, add, and torque down). I have limited access to tools(no garage and nothing but standard hand tools including a borka MG9 which I love). Should I attempt this? What tools and how much $$$? Am I better off buying a stock AR and modifying later? No-go and go head spacing sounds complicated and I do not have any precision gauges... Should I leave head spacing/barrel installation to a professional gunsmith?
Thanks,
Nate
 
Re: To build or not to build???

I was in a similar situation about a year ago. I ended up buying a complete upper and assembling the rest myself. It was easy. And if you know what you want its cheaper to buy once. It's usually cheaper this way and you get a semi custom setup. Just make sure you buy quality parts. My rifle is mostly Daniel Defense and Magpul.
 
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if it's a one and done purchase, buy what you want.

i'm sure a lot of us on here thought we'd only own one AR, but now we have all the tools and are constantly swapping out pieces and building new rifles to go with the pieces we have sitting around.

i woke up one day and realized i had 6 AR's on my safe.
 
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If you are worried about building, I'd say go with a RRA or a Spike's. However, building is easier than you think when it comes to the AR platform. I had 0 gunsmithing experience and built an 18" tack driver with standard tools. Your call.
 
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Well if you build, and you would get a lot of personal satisfaction and knowledge out of that, well what i did, because like you I was worried about matching somebodies bolt to somebodies barrel, is I learned that JP rifles includes their enhanced bolt with a barrel purchase and of course it's matched so no worries. JP also offers kits where you get barrel, enhanced bolt, JP adjustable gas block of your choice and JP compensator of your choice too.
 
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It all depends on what it is you "think" you want and what sort of budget you have. Once you think you're done something else catches your eye and then its on to something else.

I bought an LMT upper, added what I wanted for a rail, BCG, charging handle, BUIS and muzzle device.

This allowed me to take the time to hunt and peck around for what I wanted and finding the right parts for the right price.

I bought a stripped lower (tons of choices) and built it up from there also using exactly what I wanted.

Good luck on your quest.

Here's my example, start to finish.
SI Defense lower. (bought on sale dirt cheap on a close-out)
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LMT upper with a few parts already installed.(bought the upper second hand but was un-used same as the BUIS & AAC Blackout, new Spikes BCG, KAC RAS II was second hand but cheap and looked un-used)
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Pile of parts waiting to be put together after a trip to get coated and dipped.
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Build it yourself! You get to chose your parts that you like & you get a good understanding of how it works. Its not that hard to put together & you will have the satisfaction of doing it yourself!
 
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Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

For those of you who have built... How does headspacing/go-no-go spacing work with an AR? Do I just tighten the barrel nut down all the way and I'm gtg or do I need to get the spacing dies? How do I correctly use said spacing dies? Is there a better way to go about completing an AR Upper?

Please forgive my ignorance but I am trying to learn.
 
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Headspacing is set when the barrel extension is installed. If you buy reputable parts and they are in spec, the bolt is a self-headspacing system.

Of course, it doesn't hurt to check with a go/no go gauge
 
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When folks are talking about building it yourself, many are talking about using an assembled upper. If this is your first one I'd highly recommend against barreling it yourself. You need the vice blocks, the wrench, and you may need the torque wrench since this will be your first one.

I'd get the TM armorer's manual for building it. The one for the M16 whatever will work. Make sure you get the armorer's manual though.

For assembling a lower, the correct roll pin starter punches and a good set of punches will make it look better. I've seen taped up vice grips before --that is not how you install a roll pin at home. Those punches set me back about $20-$30 I think.

Midway sells a toolbox that has all the AR gear in it for a little over $200. If you plan on building a few, do this. Look on local forums too, some folks do "build parties" where they get together and share tools and know how (and parts too).

When assembling an upper, you can usually get away without headspacing it. IF the parts were made well, pass QC, in spec. and all that. For instance, I've seen an AR barrel not properly reamed --good old Oly. That could have been bad.

I build mine because I can't get what I want otherwise. Is there a specific setup you want that you can't get? Or do you just want to spend more on this rifle so you can put it together yourself? Are you better than the factory? You should ask yourself these questions, seriously. I'm a bit of an AR fan I guess, not that it is anything all that special but I'm REAL familiar with it so I use what works for me. If Noveske or LMT (I use both of them for parts) made exactly what I wanted and it didn't cost $4000, I'd get it. Where I save most is when I build cut rifle barreled rifles using top of the line parts assembled into a rifle not on the market.

Finally, if you want it built to order and don't have the gear, some places will do it for you. Rainier Arms will build you a rifle and they have good parts, I use them a lot as they are local for me. Even though I have the gear, I'll get the parts assembled if I can and if it costs the same or less.
 
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I built mine (first one) in a few hours. Real easy, got what I wanted and have the satisfaction when people ask where I got it I get to say "I built it." I see you live in ND, I'm about 60 miles west of Grand Forks if you want to borrow some tools or a little help, just PM me.
 
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THAT is smokin' hot. Well done.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr15match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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THAT is smokin' hot. Well done. </div></div>

Thanks boss! This going to be my go-to/trunk gun/all around beater when I get home. It was my budget build and will be treated as such. But for now while I'm gone for work it just sets..............

To anyone looking to build, I say go for it. It's simple and fun.