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[archerykrazy-22cal]

Do you benchrest shooters have your 24" / 25" / 26" barrels sluged or not. Thanks

 

[Fuckmikebush]

Do you benchrest shooters have your 24" / 25" / 26" barrels sluged or not. Thanks

YES! If you have a good gunsmith they will slug the barrel to make sure they cut the crown in the tightest roundest spot.

 

[260rem]

Both of my RBBR barrels were slugged, one is a benchmark and the other is a shilen select match. doesnt take a lot of time to do and gives you the exact spot to locate your crown.

 

[jstiller]

If a barrel is properly taper lapped, there is really not a "tightest roundest spot". For one thing, it's damn hard to tell by measuring the slug for roundness. I really question most anyone that says they can accurately do it. With the exception of about an inch on each end, the slug will very steadily push from breach to muzzle and evenly "let go" when reversed from muzzle to breach. Obviously, don't push it out when going back and forth on it. It's much easier to tell after the first time in. I personally lap all of my barrels if they are not evenly tapered, and yes, I know most people won't be able to do this. All of the Muller barrels Paul has lapped I have used and most of the Shilen Ratchets I have done lately have checked very even. I checked and chambered 30 Shilens last week and every one of them was pretty good. Good enough that I didn't send it back or take to lapping it myself. I take an inch off the breach and then chamber/thread/finish that end. I then pick my length and cut and crown the other end, making sure to take at least 1.25 inches off. I have very specific lengths at near 24 and 25 that I cut all my barrels to.

BTW, who is Turboshooter?

 

[Appalachian]

If a barrel is properly taper lapped, there is really not a "tightest roundest spot". For one thing, it's damn hard to tell by measuring the slug for roundness. I really question most anyone that says they can accurately do it. With the exception of about an inch on each end, the slug will very steadily push from breach to muzzle and evenly "let go" when reversed from muzzle to breach. Obviously, don't push it out when going back and forth on it. It's much easier to tell after the first time in. I personally lap all of my barrels if they are not evenly tapered, and yes, I know most people won't be able to do this. All of the Muller barrels Paul has lapped I have used and most of the Shilen Ratchets I have done lately have checked very even. I checked and chambered 30 Shilens last week and every one of them was pretty good. Good enough that I didn't send it back or take to lapping it myself. I take an inch off the breach and then chamber/thread/finish that end. I then pick my length and cut and crown the other end, making sure to take at least 1.25 inches off. I have very specific lengths at near 24 and 25 that I cut all my barrels to.

BTW, who is Turboshooter?

This guy don’t know what he’s talking about.

 

[RAVAGE88]

BTW, who is Turboshooter?

This guy, says he's been doing this long enough to know....​

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Date	Club	Place	Tgt 1	Tgt 2	Tgt 3	Tgt 4	Tgt 5	Tgt 6	Tgt 7	Tgt 8	Total	Agg.	Pts.	Agg. + Pts.
02/26/22 ​	Rocky River Barn INDOOR	13	2250-10X	1395-4X	2150-11X	2400-12X	2350-17X				10545-54X	2109.00-54X	25	2134.00-54X

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03/19/22 ​	Buccaneer Gun Club	1	1800-5X	2025-8X	1850-10X	1925-9X	2200-14X				9800-46X	1960.00-46X	25	1985.00-46X

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Competitor ID	1877SW
First Name	Sam
Last Name	Wells
Sr. or Jr.	Senior
Date of Birth	01/18/1977

Season: 2023 2022 2021A 2021 2020 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012

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[Fuckmikebush]

Let's see has Mikey bush even shot a registered match NO! Has Mikey ever even shot a br match NO. Does Mikey know what it takes to build a winning gun or action NO! You can run your mouth all you want Mikey I show up and shoot no matter the conditions. You just run your mouth without even shooting ina match. How can someone who has never even shot a br match make a action? Well looks like they can't actually. Mikey here's the difference between you and I, I know what it takes to win you on the other hand have zero clue. I won South carloina overall in 2020 club and state and was in the top 30 last year in agg. Let's see scores from last week wind was blowing 20 to 25 oh and I won with high target and x count in that shit. You have no idea what it takes week in and week out to be competitive in br. My goal when I came into this was never to try and compete on a national level I don't have the finances these guys throw at this sport,so I compete locally as do a lot of other shooters. I don't have finances to chase ammo all the time and that's what it takes dumbass. Since you have zero clue you wouldn't know that. I shoot well over a 100+ targets a year what do you do Mikey besides flap your gums about shit you have no idea about. Mikey you talked shit to the br crowd from the beginning that's why you haven't ever been liked by them. So please watch my scores all season, casue I will be right there competing. Unlike you I shoot matches not just my gums asshole!

 

[RAVAGE88]

Let's see has Mikey bush even shot a registered match NO! Has Mikey ever even shot a br match NO. Does Mikey know what it takes to build a winning gun or action NO! You can run your mouth all you want Mikey I show up and shoot no matter the conditions. You just run your mouth without even shooting ina match. How can someone who has never even shot a br match make a action? Well looks like they can't actually. Mikey here's the difference between you and I, I know what it takes to win you on the other hand have zero clue. I won South carloina overall in 2020 club and state and was in the top 30 last year in agg. Let's see scores from last week wind was blowing 20 to 25 oh and I won with high target and x count in that shit. You have no idea what it takes week in and week out to be competitive in br. My goal when I came into this was never to try and compete on a national level I don't have the finances these guys throw at this sport,so I compete locally as do a lot of other shooters. I don't have finances to chase ammo all the time and that's what it takes dumbass. Since you have zero clue you wouldn't know that. I shoot well over a 100+ targets a year what do you do Mikey besides flap your gums about shit you have no idea about. Mikey you talked shit to the br crowd from the beginning that's why you haven't ever been liked by them. So please watch my scores all season, casue I will be right there competing. Unlike you I shoot matches not just my gums asshole!

Wow, I apparently struck a nerve.

Anyone that has been paying attention knows that "Mikey" has said for quite a long while, in writing and elsewhere, that "Mikey" has no interest in shooting BR and isn't and will never be a BR shooter. But what "Mikey" doesn't do is show up on the internet as a Caped Crusader of Benchrest, downing everyone else while in reality, you're a window licker at the few local matches you've actually shot. You say, You have no idea what it takes week in and week out to be competitive in br," and apparently you don't either. Is the weirdly warm weiner water cozy? BTW, that first score above is 13th out of 17 shooters....yep, you're competitive, Sammy (pats on head).

Maybe you should now temper your posts a bit around people that are here to contribute to something and maybe people will actually start to like you. You're a pathetic representation of BR and you have the power to change that....

Good day, Sam....

MB

 

[Fuckmikebush]

Do ypu know what goes on during a match Mikey? NO cause your dumbass is sitting on the sidelines talking about crap you have no idea about. See mikeybwhen I go to a match I'm with my father who is older so I'm not only taking care of my gun I'm also worrying and taking cate of his as well. So my attention isn't 100% on every target as it should be. Why don't you pull up all my scores and look. Here's the thing dummy, when you shoot a different lot of ammo at every match for a entire season you won't do well, but how would you know any of that? Now that I take care of both mine and my father's guns it's hard to do well all the time. Are all of my targets perfect hell no I never said they were. You've tried do embarrass me without looking at the hole picture and failed miserably, you act like a butt hurt teenager that failed at making the varsity team. Mike I've never been embarrassed about how I preform cause I know it comes and goes for everyone, but again you wouldn't know that. Why not list the scores for the year I won 9 matches or just cherry pick whatever you want. You don't know all conditions in woch any of these matches are shot in or what ammo or what I may have been playing around with. Lmao keep trying Mikey you're only making yourself look childish

 

[RAVAGE88]

Do ypu know what goes on during a match Mikey? NO cause your dumbass is sitting on the sidelines talking about crap you have no idea about. See mikeybwhen I go to a match I'm with my father who is older so I'm not only taking care of my gun I'm also worrying and taking cate of his as well. So my attention isn't 100% on every target as it should be. Why don't you pull up all my scores and look. Here's the thing dummy, when you shoot a different lot of ammo at every match for a entire season you won't do well, but how would you know any of that? Now that I take care of both mine and my father's guns it's hard to do well all the time. Are all of my targets perfect hell no I never said they were. You've tried do embarrass me without looking at the hole picture and failed miserably, you act like a butt hurt teenager that failed at making the varsity team. Mike I've never been embarrassed about how I preform cause I know it comes and goes for everyone, but again you wouldn't know that. Why not list the scores for the year I won 9 matches or just cherry pick whatever you want. You don't know all conditions in woch any of these matches are shot in or what ammo or what I may have been playing around with. Lmao keep trying Mikey you're only making yourself look childish

Obviously, Felicia, there’s a lot you don’t understand about the community here. You’ve dug a hole for yourself that’s abundantly obvious to everyone and I’ll stop for a moment to voice my appreciation to the many that have sent PMs thanking me for exposing you.

You should quit while you’re way behind, gather up some ammo and rifle and go to the range. Get off the internet and away from the keyboard because each word you type makes your hole deeper. You have zero credibility and no amount of typing will change that. You've lived behind your anonymity for various reasons, but on the internet, it's allowed you to bully people, but mostly, it's allowed you to be a liar. I don't like liars....

I’ve looked at WAY more than ALL your scores and I’m now choosing to extend a bit of grace to allow you to bow out. This generosity will not last….

Bye, Felicia….

MB

 

[Baron23]

And clearly there seems to have been some deleted posts, history between these two I'm not aware of, and an account name change because as I read this thread I kept saying:

 

[Fuckmikebush]

Obviously, Felicia, there’s a lot you don’t understand about the community here. You’ve dug a hole for yourself that’s abundantly obvious to everyone and I’ll stop for a moment to voice my appreciation to the many that have sent PMs thanking me for exposing you.

You should quit while you’re way behind, gather up some ammo and rifle and go to the range. Get off the internet and away from the keyboard because each word you type makes your hole deeper. You have zero credibility and no amount of typing will change that. You've lived behind your anonymity for various reasons, but on the internet, it's allowed you to bully people, but mostly, it's allowed you to be a liar. I don't like liars....

I’ve looked at WAY more than ALL your scores and I’m now choosing to extend a bit of grace to allow you to bow out. This generosity will not last….

Bye, Felicia….

MB

For exposing me? You act like I'm in some kind of bunker Mikey. I'm not hiding from anyone. Let the people come forward Mikey or are they to chicken shit to come forward? Why hide them from the public as well. Lmao Mikey show up and shoot , but I know that won't happen. Youre better at shooting off at the mouth than actually shooting. Come on Mikey show them all of my scores or hell they can look them up. Come on down and shoot with us Mikey I'll be sure to post your scores right here. You act like I'm fighting for something here, I have nothing to prove to your dumbass that literally knows dick about shooting for score. Come on Mikey tell us all your PRO TIPS on how to shoot or tune. That's right I forgot you don't have any. You obviously know everything about me and how and why I shoot what I do. You will always be that wanna be guy Mikey lmao pathetic

 

[MarinePMI]

Do ypu know what goes on during a match Mikey? NO cause your dumbass is sitting on the sidelines talking about crap you have no idea about. See mikeybwhen I go to a match I'm with my father who is older so I'm not only taking care of my gun I'm also worrying and taking cate of his as well. So my attention isn't 100% on every target as it should be. Why don't you pull up all my scores and look. Here's the thing dummy, when you shoot a different lot of ammo at every match for a entire season you won't do well, but how would you know any of that? Now that I take care of both mine and my father's guns it's hard to do well all the time. Are all of my targets perfect hell no I never said they were. You've tried do embarrass me without looking at the hole picture and failed miserably, you act like a butt hurt teenager that failed at making the varsity team. Mike I've never been embarrassed about how I preform cause I know it comes and goes for everyone, but again you wouldn't know that. Why not list the scores for the year I won 9 matches or just cherry pick whatever you want. You don't know all conditions in woch any of these matches are shot in or what ammo or what I may have been playing around with. Lmao keep trying Mikey you're only making yourself look childish

Do you want to knock it off, before I give you a vacation, possibly permanent? You want to go get in a pissing match, and call someone out? Take it to the Pit. Not in the technical forums.

This is your one warning.

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

This guy don’t know what he’s talking about.

Are you referring to Jerry Stiller? I hope not. He's forgotten more than you will ever know about producing high quality benchrest actions and rifles.

RFS99

 

[Baron23]

Are you referring to Jerry Stiller? I hope not. He's forgotten more than you will ever know about producing high quality benchrest actions and rifles.

RFS99

Ah, maybe you didn't notice the little laughy thingy at the end? Tends to mean said in humor?

Right, carry on then.

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

Ah, maybe you didn't notice the little laughy thingy at the end? Tends to mean said in humor?

Right, carry on then.

I hope so. Part of the problem with postings, is understanding context.

If correct, no harm no foul.

Thanks,

RFS99

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

Obviously, Felicia, there’s a lot you don’t understand about the community here. You’ve dug a hole for yourself that’s abundantly obvious to everyone and I’ll stop for a moment to voice my appreciation to the many that have sent PMs thanking me for exposing you.

You should quit while you’re way behind, gather up some ammo and rifle and go to the range. Get off the internet and away from the keyboard because each word you type makes your hole deeper. You have zero credibility and no amount of typing will change that. You've lived behind your anonymity for various reasons, but on the internet, it's allowed you to bully people, but mostly, it's allowed you to be a liar. I don't like liars....

I’ve looked at WAY more than ALL your scores and I’m now choosing to extend a bit of grace to allow you to bow out. This generosity will not last….

Bye, Felicia….

MB

Mike, remember, you represent the people who work at Vudoo Gun Works on the Forums. When you engage in conversations like this one, it is not in the best interest of the company or the people who work there. Also, you know you cannot win an argument on a Forum, and the correct answer to anyone who has an issue with their Vudoo is to refer them to your customer service, which is the best in the industry.

This kind of interaction with some folks who like to poke the bear is not productive...

Just some thoughts for your consideration...

Best regards,

RFS99

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

For exposing me? You act like I'm in some kind of bunker Mikey. I'm not hiding from anyone. Let the people come forward Mikey or are they to chicken shit to come forward? Why hide them from the public as well. Lmao Mikey show up and shoot , but I know that won't happen. Youre better at shooting off at the mouth than actually shooting. Come on Mikey show them all of my scores or hell they can look them up. Come on down and shoot with us Mikey I'll be sure to post your scores right here. You act like I'm fighting for something here, I have nothing to prove to your dumbass that literally knows dick about shooting for score. Come on Mikey tell us all your PRO TIPS on how to shoot or tune. That's right I forgot you don't have any. You obviously know everything about me and how and why I shoot what I do. You will always be that wanna be guy Mikey lmao pathetic

Sam, respectfully, I would ask that you stop using the name you have created and stop the negative posts. If you have a problem with a Vudoo product, contact their customer service group and they will take care of it for you. They are very good at supporting customer questions and concerns, so let them do their job to help you out.

Thanks very much,

RFS99

 

[MarinePMI]

For exposing me? You act like I'm in some kind of bunker Mikey. I'm not hiding from anyone. Let the people come forward Mikey or are they to chicken shit to come forward? Why hide them from the public as well. Lmao Mikey show up and shoot , but I know that won't happen. Youre better at shooting off at the mouth than actually shooting. Come on Mikey show them all of my scores or hell they can look them up. Come on down and shoot with us Mikey I'll be sure to post your scores right here. You act like I'm fighting for something here, I have nothing to prove to your dumbass that literally knows dick about shooting for score. Come on Mikey tell us all your PRO TIPS on how to shoot or tune. That's right I forgot you don't have any. You obviously know everything about me and how and why I shoot what I do. You will always be that wanna be guy Mikey lmao pathetic

Oh, and you might want to change your username in the next 24hrs as well, or your account will be permanently banned because of it.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Mike, remember, you represent the people who work at Vudoo Gun Works on the Forums. When you engage in conversations like this one, it is not in the best interest of the company or the people who work there. Also, you know you cannot win an argument on a Forum, and the correct answer to anyone who has an issue with their Vudoo is to refer them to your customer service, which is the best in the industry.

This kind of interaction with some folks who like to poke the bear is not productive...

Just some thoughts for your consideration...

Best regards,

RFS99

Thanks for working to inject a bit of reason Larry, and from a narrow perspective, you're exactly right. But from the larger picture, you've not yet scratched the surface. I'll start by saying, if I hadn't represented what I have here for nearly 20 years, Vudoo wouldn't exist and the great people there wouldn't have a job....I also represent and stand up for the community here.

Business owners that are too afraid to defend what they've worked for and the community that supports it aren't being true to why the business exists in the first place; instead, they're held hostage by it. Vudoo has thrived because of my presence here and because of the mindset of the SH community. My position on this, along with my appreciation for the SH community, will never change.

Additionally, you're echoing something that I find very interesting. First off, I'm not here to win arguments as I'm well aware of what the internet is all about. The interesting thing is, from within the shooting community, when "winning" an argument on the internet is mentioned, it's generally mentioned by someone from the RFBR community. Please know that I'm not taking a shot at you by saying that. I'm saying it because there's a lot of available data that supports the comment and this thread was used as an illustrative tool. All one needs to do now is think a little bit about what I've said in the past and why I said it....

MB

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

Mike, thanks for the response. I don't take issue with your post in a personal sense. I am from the RFBR community, and will continue to be. I don't know if you are the sole reason for Vudoo existing, and advancing RFBR, but I'll take your word for it. What I can tell you from my perspective is that the dialog you and Sam are in is not in the best interest of either of you, or the community at large. Both of you were out of line, in my opinion, and I've shared that thought above to both you and Sam, and also in a PM to Sam. Let's focus on facts and not personal attacks and on-line arguments. Whether your goal was to "win" the conversation, or to just have the last word, I don't know. Since you could have given Sam some time off, as you mentioned, I wonder why not. It seemed like you could not back off and take a different perspective.

Anyway, enough said, let's move on to talk about facts and data surrounding Vudoo's products. I much prefer reading about theories and advancements than this stuff.

RFS99

 

[RAVAGE88]

Mike, thanks for the response. I don't take issue with your post in a personal sense. I am from the RFBR community, and will continue to be. I don't know if you are the sole reason for Vudoo existing, and advancing RFBR, but I'll take your word for it. What I can tell you from my perspective is that the dialog you and Sam are in is not in the best interest of either of you, or the community at large. Both of you were out of line, in my opinion, and I've shared that thought above to both you and Sam, and also in a PM to Sam. Let's focus on facts and not personal attacks and on-line arguments. Whether your goal was to "win" the conversation, or to just have the last word, I don't know. Since you could have given Sam some time off, as you mentioned, I wonder why not. It seemed like you could not back off and take a different perspective.

Anyway, enough said, let's move on to talk about facts and data surrounding Vudoo's products. I much prefer reading about theories and advancements than this stuff.

RFS99

Thank you, Larry, I appreciate your participation here. In situations like this, I'll be the first to admit, there are never any angels involved. With that, I don't expect you or maybe even most people to understand fully or be aware of all the nuances that lead to why I say what I say and when I say it. With that, like in Sam's case, I've watched for a long time without saying a word....there's a reason I chose to speak up now....

So, enough of that, and to your point, time to move on....

Thanks again,
MB

 

[Rimfireshooter99]

Mike, can you provide an update on the V22s firing pin design? I know VGW started working on the crescent style, and has moved back to the chisel shape. Any future plans to look into any new designs, or revisit the crescent to help with ignition?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

RFS99

 

[Rob01]

My thoughts exactly. I will take possession of my first vudoo tomorrow, a complete rifle from Altus, after this and the video thread, I wish I had just bought another Rim X skipped the drama.

There is no drama with the rifle. It’s the people wanting to start it on the internet. When you are at the range you will hopefully not be followed by them and just have fun shooting the rifle. I know I do.

 

[Fuckmikebush]

Oh, and you might want to change your username in the next 24hrs as well, or your account will be permanently banned because of it.

You're the dumbasses that approved it. A name change has to be approved then you can't change it for a month. You idiots made this mess. I came to defend myself against someone that has zero clue about the discipline I shoot in or what it takes. You protect Mikey here his safe haven. Banned whooo so scary lmfao Mikey will always be that chump that had to go backwards to build a usable action and it still won't compete. Lmfao fuck you ban me

 

[Milo 2.5]

There is no drama with the rifle. It’s the people wanting to start it on the internet. When you are at the range you will hopefully not be followed by them and just have fun shooting the rifle. I know I do.

Lol, thanks, that is the plan. Still, some BS will never warrant a response, 99.8% of the customer base can sort through the garbage.

 

[Papa Mike]

Mike, thanks for the response. I don't take issue with your post in a personal sense. I am from the RFBR community, and will continue to be. I don't know if you are the sole reason for Vudoo existing, and advancing RFBR, but I'll take your word for it. What I can tell you from my perspective is that the dialog you and Sam are in is not in the best interest of either of you, or the community at large. Both of you were out of line, in my opinion, and I've shared that thought above to both you and Sam, and also in a PM to Sam. Let's focus on facts and not personal attacks and on-line arguments. Whether your goal was to "win" the conversation, or to just have the last word, I don't know. Since you could have given Sam some time off, as you mentioned, I wonder why not. It seemed like you could not back off and take a different perspective.

Anyway, enough said, let's move on to talk about facts and data surrounding Vudoo's products. I much prefer reading about theories and advancements than this

 

[Baron23]

Wow.....what a surprise....NOT! haha Sort could see this coming a mile away...kinda a like Thelma and Louise driving over the cliff. LOL

 

[Milo 2.5]

Wow.....what a surprise....NOT! haha Sort could see this coming a mile away...kinda a like Thelma and Louise driving over the cliff. LOL

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LMAO, I doubt Marine PMI was even up yet, or had his coffee to do this.

 

[MarinePMI]

Wow.....what a surprise....NOT! haha Sort could see this coming a mile away...kinda a like Thelma and Louise driving over the cliff. LOL

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The ultimate irony is that it wasn’t even me that banned him. <sigh>. Some people are just loud mouthed dumbasses. Smh…

 

[RAVAGE88]

Now that bedlam has mostly passed, I'll extend an apology to the community here for what has transpired for the last couple days. I was enjoying some peace and quiet but was continuing to receive outreach from numerous people here, not all of whom were Vudoo customers, about what was happening. I realize that business owners have to walk a fine line; one side of that line is trusting that most see through the bs, but the other side is offering up validation and approval in silence. I stepped in because there was an appeal from people I support asking me to step in. For those that aren't aware, SH has played a major role in the success and adoption of what we do. For that, I will always remain grateful and obliged to serve.

I choose to believe that most will understand what I'm saying and from others, I'll take a few hits, but the hits have been and will likely always be temporary and worth it in the long run.

MB