I’m not sure if you are intentionally making @DocRDS’s point, or doing so unwittingly. Regardless, well done.
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Yes, I am. He is right, though I don’t share his fear of it.
Thanks.
You sound like you think I’m trying to speak in code, or talk around something. It’s pretty straightforward.
You don’t want criminal consequences for politicians who violate our constitutional rights?
SImple. Because you would do the same to me.
Do you regret getting the jab
Cognitive dissonance & pride are why those who caved and got the poison jab- will never admit it was a major error in judgement. Those who knowingly lost their careers, incomes, health coverage, pensions- for refusing the poison jab- are true fucking heroes in my book. Nah. Those people...www.snipershide.com
The difference is you think that by cloaking your self in purity, loyality, patriotism you are immune from evil.
You are human.
Its called honesty. If I have to chose between myself or you.
You lose.
Intellectually bankrupt folks always try to conflate the Left wing Communist / Atheist / Earth Worshiper / Anarchist / Satanist / Despot level of mass murder with a few limited instances of the good folks or right wing folks culling predators and parasites and evil.
The simple answer is you CANNOT "tolerate" true evil or true evil people anymore than you can tolerate "just a little bit" of malignant cancer.
Left unchecked evil and evil people WILL destroy your society, cause great harm to others and cause ruin for everyone.
So YES, the "good folks" when in power, have to rid society of true evil or lose everything. Then they have to keep on top of the weeds of evil to keep them from springing up.
The issue however becomes eventually it doesn't matter who is in power, eventually folks aren't happy with true freedom and folks minding their own business not hurting others, they ALL eventually want "the government" to force everyone to comply with their own specific ideas of what should and shouldn't be "allowed in polite society" and then it all starts going downhill and as always the stupid "good folks" gleefully forge chains for others that then are used against them.
The simple answer is you CANNOT "tolerate" true evil or true evil people anymore than you can tolerate "just a little bit" of malignant cancer.
Left unchecked evil and evil people WILL destroy your society, cause great harm to others and cause ruin for everyone.
So YES, the "good folks" when in power, have to rid society of true evil or lose everything. Then they have to keep on top of the weeds of evil to keep them from springing up.
The issue however becomes eventually it doesn't matter who is in power, eventually folks aren't happy with true freedom and folks minding their own business not hurting others, they ALL eventually want "the government" to force everyone to comply with their own specific ideas of what should and shouldn't be "allowed in polite society" and then it all starts going downhill and as always the stupid "good folks" gleefully forge chains for others that then are used against them.
Apologies for a double, but this occurred to me overnight. There has been this "Education doesn't equivocate to intelligence" running around in right wing circles. While their is truth to that, it does not imply that ALL educated people are unintelligent. It means SOME educated people learned foolishness.
But to disavow education is to shut yourself off from improvement, to never learn and grow. That is not a group of people I wish to be associated with
Who was Franco Culling? Who was Argentinian Junta Culling? What about the fall of the roman republic were its evil vs evil, iis it just legit to start killing everyone? Cromwell was already dead. I got good money they were not all pure evil. Chang Kai Shek tried to purge the communists and sealed his own doom. And they were some of the worst mass murders the last century has known. When you cloak your violence is "purity", "good vs evil" you are ripe for abuse. Proving my point once again.
Who decides what is good and evil? Sounds very post modern bullshit, but stop and think: Who's perfect? Which evil is deserving of death? Which is not? Careful with that Axe Eugene!
You want freedom? You need to freedom to be stupid, the freedom to make mistakes, but the mob mentality around here is "We don't make mistakes" "We are smarter than everyone else".
SCARY
AS
FUCK
But...but...but COMMIES WERE WORSE.
When you're dead, it don't matter if you are 1 out of 100 or 1,000,000. You're still dead.
“One death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic” -Stalin (not really, but we are so off the rails, i DGAF)
But to disavow education is to shut yourself off from improvement, to never learn and grow. That is not a group of people I wish to be associated with
Perfect example. We just had to cull predators and evil?
Who was Franco Culling? Who was Argentinian Junta Culling? What about the fall of the roman republic were its evil vs evil, iis it just legit to start killing everyone? Cromwell was already dead. I got good money they were not all pure evil. Chang Kai Shek tried to purge the communists and sealed his own doom. And they were some of the worst mass murders the last century has known. When you cloak your violence is "purity", "good vs evil" you are ripe for abuse. Proving my point once again.
Who decides what is good and evil? Sounds very post modern bullshit, but stop and think: Who's perfect? Which evil is deserving of death? Which is not? Careful with that Axe Eugene!
You want freedom? You need to freedom to be stupid, the freedom to make mistakes, but the mob mentality around here is "We don't make mistakes" "We are smarter than everyone else".
SCARY
AS
FUCK
But...but...but COMMIES WERE WORSE.
When you're dead, it don't matter if you are 1 out of 100 or 1,000,000. You're still dead.
“One death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic” -Stalin (not really, but we are so off the rails, i DGAF)
So what you’re saying is you support that kind of behavior from university faculty, or anyone for that matter?
That superior common sense kicking in.
All i was saying was if you were in charge, you'd be doing the same thing. I oppose it 100%. I am arrogant as fuck, but not so arrogant to think that I am immune to abuses of power or temptation of evil.
Does that mean that this guy should be killed though? What is a just punishment. How do you reform such an individual? There's the rub right there.
Remember who is sovereign, remember even if it appears that we lost a battle, we know who will win the war. It is written.
I have not reached a conclusion. I am trying to get you to admit that you were just trying to be provocative. Cuz what you said was way over the top.
Communists
Communists
If you are going to bring up the Roman Empire well you are really grasping at straws
Cromwell was very much like every south american dictator, violently overthrow the government and install the new better government that was even worse than before and twice as oppressive. Those who enabled him and his reign of terror weren't very popular later on, ask the Irish what they think of Cromwell
Chang Kai Shek was up against Communists, the USA backstabbed him and funded the communist takeover.
And then the communists that beat him proceeded to cause the deaths of over 60 million people.
Obviously he was right to try to get rid of communists.
How many Child Rapists do you want to "tolerate" running around instead of eliminating them?
There was a reason back when people were intelligent and hard working they eliminated wolves and lions and other predators that posed a threat or competed with them, instead of like modern stupids bringing even worse ones back to ravage flocks and herds and such.
Intellectual types and liberal types seem to love the monsters and predators, thinking they will never be lower down the food chain, right up until they start getting eaten themselves.
Reform isn't for everyone.
Just like higher education doesn't make everyone smarter.
Plenty of people have no need to be reformed.
Plenty of people are truly smarter than the so-called educated ones.
Plenty of people could use a bit of education.
Plenty of people are truly stupid
There's a reason some bitches eat their newborns.
There's a reason some ain't ever right after doing so.
What makes a man just?
Who decides what is moral?
Listening to Taylor Swift is wrong on so many levels.
Just like higher education doesn't make everyone smarter.
Plenty of people have no need to be reformed.
Plenty of people are truly smarter than the so-called educated ones.
Plenty of people could use a bit of education.
Plenty of people are truly stupid
There's a reason some bitches eat their newborns.
There's a reason some ain't ever right after doing so.
What makes a man just?
Who decides what is moral?
Listening to Taylor Swift is wrong on so many levels.
Those who seek office are very rarely desirable.
Plenty with character could better the world.
Our history is full of examples.
While not perfect they improved men's lives beyond their tenure.
They all had something in common, what was that?...
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Plenty with character could better the world.
Our history is full of examples.
While not perfect they improved men's lives beyond their tenure.
They all had something in common, what was that?...
R
Yup, they don't have kids of their own to indoctrinate, so they go after our's instead. As parents, we all make mistakes. Kids don't come with instructions. However, the best decision my wife and I ever made in our kid's lives was pulling them outta public school and homeschooling them.
Nice straw man. Because I don't think we should arbitrarily round up and kill people, I now support child rapists. (just like I love nazis because I thought we should actually give them a trial over summary execution). ANd yes I love monsters and predators because I believe in a fair trial and not summary punishment. You could not have made the point better if I paid you.
So with your working theory, if you THINK someone may commit a crime in the future, they can be punished before hand out of pocket. Sounds pretty fucking dystopian to me. They should make a movie about that shit (o wait they did!). Thats why we came up with that whole due process thing! See how quickly you ditch your "American" priciples when you think you hold the moral high ground.
This is how it works folks. You become high and mighty and can do no wrong. Cloak yourself in morality and then do whatever you want with your power.
And yes the fall of Republican Rome has NO direct parallels to today with the populares and optimates. Clearly nothing to do with today's society.
@918v of course I've being provacative and over the top. Its the fucking bear pit princess!
Ancient Rome cannot be easily fit into the "left wing / right wing" or "Liberals / conservative" discussion as times were different, different religions were involved, and it was part of the time in history where Might = Right was pretty much the only main thing going on, as it had been for thousands of years earlier.
We can learn from ancient history, but it's not exactly the same factions as recent history.
When Communists are working hard to overthrow your government and your society and seize power, you don't need to let them complete their evil before putting an end to it. You know exactly what they are up to and what the end will be so best deal with it before they win and get rid of you.
When Satan worshiping child molesters and murderers are trying to enslave you and become your lords and masters, well it's a lot easier to stop it before they take full control.
Or since let's go again to everyone's favourite go to, it's a lot easier to overpower a few guards on a train than it is to escape when you are already at the concentration camp. It's a lot easier to take out the Komisars when they come to grab folks one at a time rather than trying to gain your freedom from the Gulags.
Much like if you know there are wolves or lions stalking your farm, you don't wait till they kill your kids and destroy your flock and kill you. You go out and wipe them all out so they don't have a chance.
It's a fine line and not everybody is comfortable with it, but sometimes it's a lot more righteous and just to stop someone you know for sure is going to cause great harm and damage to others, be it to an individual, or to an entire society, rather than just sitting on your hands until they have murdered/raped/genocided/enslaved/destroyed.
Afterwards you are simply doing it for essentially vengeance and / or retribution (which is a lot of what folks think of as justice).
Beforehand you are doing it to protect and save the innocent and good.
In the end you are going to do the same thing to the perpetrator, so why not just leave the victim out of it all together.
Again, a very grey area for many, but also a very important point.
And again you have to be very clear on understanding if folks are truly and irreparably given to evil.
It can also be a touchy subject legally and one where you best be on the winning side. (Not that it would matter anyways if you were on the losing side).
It's much like if you see some disturbed looking person walking into a mall or Church pointing an MSR style weapon ahead of them. Do you stop them from killing anyone or do you wait until they have killed a certain number of people before you stop them?
You'll notice the police who most of "the good folks" kind of worship, are firmly in the camp of well they could have so we had to kill them. Whenever THEY claim to feel threatened... Folks seem to way to often give them a pass even when their judgment turns out to be vastly flawed and they turn out to be incompetent cowards.
If you feel the responsibility to guard your flock, you would be doing a poor job if you waited to kill the wolves until after they have killed a bunch of your flock. Which of course is the opposite of what our evil government tries to force good folks to do both on the animal side and the human side.
Yup who needs the bill or rights like # 5 or 6 anyway. (Once again straw man arguments)
Reminder this started over SPEECH. You have the right to be stupid AF (I exercise that often). When Chang Kai Shek turned on the commies, that hadn't killed anyone (yet). Its easy for us in hind sight to look back and go "oh yeah I woulda shot hitler" But the problem is how do you identify hitler BEFORE he becomes hitler. THe balance between responding to evil in time and not making false assumptions.
What about a person with a 90% chance to become a sociopath? Should that person be aborted? What about their 10% chance to be normal.
Once again, expediency over law is FN dangerous and prime for abuse. You sir are caught in the cycle, not realizing that it will never end thinking in your purity, you can handle that kind of authority. THe better question would be, if I handed my enemy that kind of power, how could they abuse it.....
And yeah, you just paved the way to dystopia....
Reminder this started over SPEECH. You have the right to be stupid AF (I exercise that often). When Chang Kai Shek turned on the commies, that hadn't killed anyone (yet). Its easy for us in hind sight to look back and go "oh yeah I woulda shot hitler" But the problem is how do you identify hitler BEFORE he becomes hitler. THe balance between responding to evil in time and not making false assumptions.
What about a person with a 90% chance to become a sociopath? Should that person be aborted? What about their 10% chance to be normal.
Once again, expediency over law is FN dangerous and prime for abuse. You sir are caught in the cycle, not realizing that it will never end thinking in your purity, you can handle that kind of authority. THe better question would be, if I handed my enemy that kind of power, how could they abuse it.....
And yeah, you just paved the way to dystopia....
