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Sidearms & Scatterguns Total Wreck! Clark Custom....

smack

smack

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May 4, 2003
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North Central Washington
#1
I still sit here at a loss for words as I type this, wondering if it's just my mood today or if I'm in the right for being so PISSED I cant see straight!

I had Clark rework my 1911 Springfield Champion to the tune of 1400.00 not including the price of the handgun. 1400.00 was for the work in itself.

The handgun looked great, the grips felt great and I can say it functioned mechanically as in chamber and eject perfectly. This was the first time I have shot the handgun since it was returned to me. The first 3 rounds were six to eight inches high and the same left. This bothered me due to the fact the paper work said it had been extensively tested. I guess I was expecting to much to think that when one drops 1400.00 to rework a handgun that the smith would at least test it in a rest or pull a general bore sight.

I then adjust the rear sight down, it bottomed out in two clicks(NOT GOOD). I then adjusted right and fired 3 more. I was still 4 inches high bottomed out for adjustment and even further left?????I adjusted the rear sight all the way right adjustment until it bottomed out and fired 3 more it was 4 inches high and even more left. I double checked my adjustment to make sure I hadn't gone the wrong way when I noticed the front sight had worked almost all the way out of the dove tail and was about to fall off. Right then and there I about lost it, it took every bit of will power I had not to throw the damn thing down range! So all in all I'm sitting here looking at a 2000.00 handgun that in it's current state is a WRECK! The sight system is not compatable with the handgun and the front sight is a catastrophe!

I waited over a year for the hangun work to be finished.....It was to late to call and I wanted to sleep on it before I sent a e-mail. Figured time would take the edge off!

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The front sight after 1 magazine through it.

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Bad business all around. Wait that long and NOT get what you pay for. Especially after spending that kind of money. I will be interested in hearing what Clark has to say about this. Good luck on getting it all straightened out..
 
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Probably good you didn't have time to call. Injecting emotion into business never helps.

Seems obvious to me it wasn't shot at all after the work was done.
Good luck, let us know...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably good you didn't have time to call. Injecting emotion into business never helps.

Seems obvious to me it wasn't shot at all after the work was done.
Good luck, let us know...

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It's been three hours and I have calmed down considerably, I'm glad it was past business hours when the above accured. I will call in the morning, state the facts and see how it is handled.
 
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If it makes the OP feel at all better, I had a local 'smith with an enormous following put in an ambi safety to replace a single sided one, and discovered, after paying the bill, that the safety was no longer also a decocker. You would think that a little detail like that would pop up at the 'smith like a freakin' jack in the box, but oh no ...
 
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I feel your pain. I gave a gunsmith $2700.00 up front to start a new custom build last July. Checked on it mid March and still no parts. Checked again mid May and NO PARTS ... I told the boy to get his checkbook out. I pulled out of the build and took a spare GA Precision .308 Winchester I had and sent it to Jon Beanland. Jon got the gun on 1 Jun and it was back at my door 20 Jun. Should have never waited that long with the other smith. Looking at the pic of the front blade, there is a hole. Is that for a set screw? Good luck with the issues.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gvanhyning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..... Looking at the pic of the front blade, there is a hole. Is that for a set screw? Good luck with the issues. </div></div>

the hole is for a 1/16" roll pin. There should be an aligned hole in the dovetail and there should be the aforementioned 1/16 roll pin holding the bits in place.

I'd be miffed too, good luck getting it sorted.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asiparks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gvanhyning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..... Looking at the pic of the front blade, there is a hole. Is that for a set screw? Good luck with the issues. </div></div>

the hole is for a 1/16" roll pin. There should be an aligned hole in the dovetail and there should be the aforementioned 1/16 roll pin holding the bits in place.

I'd be miffed too, good luck getting it sorted. </div></div>

Notice the cut from the original front sight is located where the pin would be.

While it is an unfortunate situation, it is far from what I would consider a "total wreck". YMMV
 
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I think you should get in contact with Clark Custom about this.

They have a reputation as being good with their work, so if you tell them what you just posted then it's more then likely that they will fix the problem or offer you some reasonable compensation.
 
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To the OP

I see Jim and crew several times a week, enough to know that if you would have simply called first they would have gladly taken care of any issues that may have arisen. Instead, you choose to blast them on the internet first and call second, that shows very poor taste IMHO.

My relationship with Clark Guns goes back to Jim Sr. so I know of what I say. They're first class smiths that truly care about their product and CS.

I've taken the liberty to advise Jim Jr., Clay and Renee about this thread.

Sometimes. things happen but it's never an intentional issue.
 
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First off Wnroscoe, I've have not "Blasted" Anyone or any business. I have stated fact, I can care less if you and some of their crew take hot showers together, let alone coffee together. That does not change the fact that:

The sights are not compatible/Front sight height Etc???

The front dove tail sight has fallen out.

And last but not least, when the hammer is pulled and the grip safety is engaged it makes a "Clicking" sound louder than the hammer pull itself???????


I spoke with Clay this morning at Clark and he was more than HELPFULL in the process of getting the handgun back and taking care of the above issues, I will get it headed their way and see how it goes.

Wnroscoe, I would appreciate a little more thought on your part before posting on a thread of mine due to the fact you can discern between stating fact and what you classify as "Blasting" So at any time, please take the liberty to pull your head out of your ass.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the OP

I see Jim and crew several times a week, enough to know that <span style="font-weight: bold">if you would have simply called first they would have gladly taken care of any issues that may have arisen. Instead, you choose to blast them on the internet first and call second, that shows very poor taste IMHO.</span>

My relationship with Clark Guns goes back to Jim Sr. so I know of what I say. They're first class smiths that truly care about their product and CS.

I've taken the liberty to advise Jim Jr., Clay and Renee about this thread.

Sometimes. things happen but it's never an intentional issue. </div></div>

I couldn't agreed with the bolded more.

Companies should be given a chance to correct things before they get hung out to dry.

I've seen Nighthawk pistols shipped with the wrong slides. I have friends with Porsche's and Rolex's that never ran right either...it happens. Mistakes happen, at all levels and price points. Most companies will correct any and all problems their customers have, but you have to give them the chance to, first.

The only ones that can fix this problem is the shop you got this from. If they tell you to go pound sand, THEN let us know.
 
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Well I can understand your disappointment but a couple of observations. I have several custom 1911's and can remark that based upon your pics it looks like they did a fantastic job with the melting and finishing of the pistol. Second, I would guess the front sight height is too low and probably will be replaced with the correct level blade which will allow you to properly adjust the sights to your shooting style. Of course I don't know why it wasn't caught when test fired (maybe they use a chamber not a range?) Also, it's very common on pistols with custom finishing to have the front sight secured with loctite rather than a tight dovetail fit as it will mar the finish up (albeit in a very minor way)when installed tight and maybe it broke loose. Finally, I don't have any dog in the fight here but the title of your post is "Total Wreck! Clark Custom" and probably most of us would view that as blasting them! I've never worked with them but they have a great reputation and feel confident you'll be satisfied in the end. I think that these things are worse when you have the highest expectations, as you should have.
 
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I guess I'm very particular about my handguns, I chose Clark due to their reputation. I chose Clark to rework on handgun that I will alway carry and can BANK MY ASS AND LOVED ONES ASS'S ON! As it sits it is frikn worthless, everytime I walk by it and look at it, it still pisses me off! I did have high expectations that's why I chose Clark and now here I am after a call sending a handgun back to a company that so much didn't even offer the slightest apology. They just said " Ship it back". when mentioned if they would cover the shipping, I was told " we can't do a will call tag for a handgun, ship it back"

Yes, I am upset and I have a right to be and some people here act if as this is no big deal. Buisness as usual. NO, it isn't and it is a big deal. There is no frikn excuse on the feikn planet for that handgun to have left that building the way it was!
 
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Smack's right in one respect, for sure: when I get a pistol from a 'smith, I expect to get it back ready to go, NQA. That's why stuff gets tested there and then ships out with test targets to prove that they function-checked. They aren't machine parts put together for a task where failure the first time out is acceptable.
 
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Quality Control, Quality Control, Quality Control.
If I am paying that kind of money somebody better damn well be going over that puppie with fine tooth comb before it ships to me. PERIOD.
 
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There’s a lot of this going on these days here on the H!, I too have no dog in the fight, but remember concentrated aim is important regarding matters of these concerns. So I thought about not dipping, but I haven’t read anyone’s realistic point of view towards any consumers concerns, usually no fault of the retailers is topic point. Not specifically this OP’s topic, but in general over all of the discussions about orders and builds. It’s a shame when a customer does their part and the other does not. Customers who are forced to pay in full & upfront and then forced to wait a ridiculous amounts of time for a product that is either not what they agreed upon or is substandard in parts and/or quality for the amount of money the customer paid for. Some people forget this is a hobby, this is a tacticoooool shooting sport and in most cases no one needs a $6k firearm like this; they want a firearm like this, excluding military operators and private contractors alike and life dependencies’ groups. I say live and learn but hopefully it doesn’t cost you too much in the learning process. Paying 100% upfront is crazy and foolish and some of these people should get their heads out of their ass or the sky, which ever fits and take a few evening classes at a business school. Remember products and services.. Why is it so difficult to request a build sheet and told how much something exactly costs? Deliver a product then get paid, or discuss options while working together through the project’s process establishing an exact time frame for further payments followed by documented photos to the customer as the build goes! This will show; there is progress and yes work is being done on your build to justify more money being requested. Only good business practices and very simple to do, plus a double benefit for the builder as well. FREE photographic advertising of your good work!!! If indeed it is good work???? If you’re worried about not getting paid, do good work and high quality work and that won’t be a problem when the time comes for final payment. If you still get screwed or a customer backs out, someone will still buy it because of the high quality workmanship and parts that went into the firearm and by word of mouth. If you make an excellent product and you stand by your product and you don’t screw your customers, this would be a mute point. You’d have nothing to worry about. JMO
 
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OP

Like I said, you should have called first and not posted here on the internet. Clay is a good guy as is all of the staff at Clarks. What Clay says is what Clay does, this would have been the responce you received if you would have only called them first and not posted here.

Thats the problem with the internet now days, if a business makes a mistake or drops the ball someone wants to immediatly make a post concerning the same. Sometimes, mistakes are made or we miss something.

I try to judge a company by how well they handle the CS issues if any arrise, not by their mistakes or oversites. If a client is late with a payment or strings the company along do you see us posting that on the internet..........no, you dont.

Your choice of words concerning my post, this whole topic and the shower refference shows a lack of maturity on your part. Your like a little child that doesnt get his way in Walmart on the toy isle and can only resort to childish behavior.

That in of itself doesnt change the fact, if your 1911 isnt 100% send it in, they will take care of it...........PERIOD

If I had a rifle of yours here now, it'd be headed back your way with a refund of any deposits paid. I suspect several smiths here share the same thought.

The internet works both ways.
 
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Accualy it's a post like this that makes a business owner walk out into the shop and say WTF GUYS! Shit rolls down hill, my mistakes in life haven't been kept " Dirty little secrets". WTF??????

Wnroscoe, your full of shit and excuses.
 
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I agree with "dogs"....Quality control... There is a high degree of expectation when you go to a custom builder. Custom Builders want BIG money for their time and product. The buyer should expect to receive (THE FIRST TIME) what he pays for; especially after a long waiting period. If this company or any other company reads this thread, they could possibly learn something from this and work to make sure it does not happen again.
I figure every shooter "has a dog in this hunt." Anyone could be in this situation in the future. Quality control should go without saying with any company.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wnroscoe, your full of shit and excuses. </div></div>

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Congrats, you've earned a place on my ignore list.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wnroscoe, your full of shit. </div></div>

I guess that's where I come in.
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THis is the first bad thing I've seen about Clark Custom. Jim is a great guy and I think you will be taken care of. I have had some issues with some of my smiths and dealers of high end guns. They have always taken care of me without me having to go to the forums. I would use this as a weapon if I had to though but I always give them the chance to take care of the problem themselves. Good luck to you sir on your pistol. I have faith everything will work out.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wnroscoe, your full of shit and excuses. </div></div>

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Congrats, you've earned a place on my ignore list.</div></div>


Perfect!
 
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"If I had a rifle of yours here now, it'd be headed back your way with a refund of any deposits paid. I suspect several smiths here share the same thought."


Now that's going out on a limb, one can't tell there is a personal relationship between Clark and you.
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Got to say quality control should have caught this. He is not paying for a mass produce product but custom work. People do make mistakes but that is no excuse when your paying this much for a custom piece.

I agree with SMACK. He should post something here to show there was a problem. Because if it continues then the forum will know. But if its not a reoccurring problem it will be forgot.

No excuse!
 
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<span style="color: #3366FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">From ArmaHeavy:</span>
“They have a reputation as being good with their work, so if you tell them what you just posted then it's more then likely that they will fix the problem or offer you some reasonable compensation.”</span>
Would there be a reason that they wouldn’t fix the problem or handle their customer properly otherwise? Your post hints that they would only fix the problem when they have a loaded internet forum pointed at them. If this were so, they would have been out of business years ago. They rarely trip up and when they do, they make it right.

<span style="color: #3366FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">From Smack:</span>“First off Wnroscoe, I've have not "Blasted" Anyone or any business.”</span>
Bullshit. I would say the title of your post would fall squarely into the “Blasted” category.


<span style="color: #3366FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">From Mathewusmc8791:</span>“It’s a shame when a customer does their part and the other does not. Customers who are forced to pay in full & upfront and then forced to wait a ridiculous amounts of time for a product”</span>
Do you know for a fact that the OP was forced to pay or did pay in full and upfront first????? I see your points made in your post but bringing issues from other dealings into this one is a bold assumption.

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Dear Mr. Smack,
I think you have a legitimate reason to be upset. I agree that you should expect more and also agree that the issue should be corrected immediately. But....

In my opinion, you should have given the builder at least one opportunity to respond to you and make it right before hauling yourself up to a keyboard.

This would be my opinion regardless of the maker's name and regardless of the type of product. If you fail to get a correction and apology from the builder then I would then expect you to have a reason to go to a public forum. In fact, I would encourage you to do so as a service to others considering a builder for their own project. I'm pretty smug in typing this as I know the reputation and people that work at that shop. Accordingly, I have no worries about your handgun being correct once you receive it back.
 
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I have had work done by Clark also. It has turned out very good.
That is not the point here.
If the shoe was on the other foot, and say your check bounced, even if it did not get plastered over the internet. I hear someone in the shop uttering the words "Deadbeat" And I am sure the pistol would not be shipped, without something like that being rectafied. You see when the shoe is on the other foot a company can get real "Anal", so I say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
#35
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I was going to back out of this discussion, but only offered my opinion of community knowledge of these frequent issues that arise quiet often around this place. I was quoted by TC and applaud him for not hearing one bad thing about him since joining this Forum, and that is AWESOME!!!! I commend him for his diligence and workmanship and his commitment to HIS PRODUCT and craft. I also use his podlok and it kicks ass too..:)

TC quoted me:
From Mathewusmc8791:“It’s a shame when a customer does their part and the other does not. Customers who are forced to pay in full & upfront and then forced to wait a ridiculous amounts of time for a product”
Do you know for a fact that the OP was forced to pay or did pay in full and upfront first????? I see your points made in your post but bringing issues from other dealings into this one is a bold assumption.

To assume such to be true is that I’ve been told that by many here, that(see above) is a standard operating practice! That was not meant as an insult but fact from so many who have elaborated privately in their experiences with so many who have had rifles built by members of this forum. IT was not meant or reflected towards anyone personally or specifically but as a general assumption of the majority rule. If you feel and please do to elaborate on your building process I think we all could gain some first hand knowledge of what a true professional is and how he/she and others should conduct their business in the world of CUSTOM RIFLE BUILDING… Openess and honesty is always the best policy. We all make mistakes and subject to law, but product specifications at such a step price should warrant little mistakes if ANY!!! Do you agree Terry, because you are a very skilled and highly qualified gunsmith held to the highest regard of many of my friends and I see here on this forum as well. Please retort.
 
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I certainly won't speak for Terry, but one of the reasons he is held in such high regard is not only because of his expertise and skills in producing high quality rifles, but because he treats others as he would like to be treated.

Think about it, every mistake you make is bashed in a public forum before you have had the chance to rectify it. Some one else said previously "put the shoe on the other foot" None of us humans would still be in business.

I agree with what Terry had to say. Nothing against the OP and I do certainly understand his disappointment. But I too agree that this forum was totally premature to letting Clark resolve the customers issues.
 
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I don't think the OP every worried if they would fix. That IMO is not the issue I don't believe. The issue is a custom made item is held to a higher standard. With the wait and cost of this one it should have been a first time go. But people do make mistakes. On that note if it reoccurs there is a history of it all ready and we will know there is another issue with the smith.

If something was shipped with your name on it and was sub par be ready to deal with the conscious what every they are.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see Jim and crew several times a week, enough to know that <span style="font-weight: bold">if you would have simply called first they would have gladly taken care of any issues that may have arisen. Instead, you choose to blast them on the internet first and call second, that shows very poor taste IMHO.</span>
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You're all so nice and friendly.... and forgiving. I wish people were like that in all forms of business.

I have always thought it was funny that this mentality, this deference was extended toward gunsmiths.

YOU AIN'T PAYING THEM TO GET IT RIGHT ON THE 2ND OR 5TH TRY!!!!


As a consumer - thank you for the OP.



Good luck
 
#39
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My $0.02....... I guess with these rules, in all fairness, we should not post when a product comes back as expected, better than expected, or just plain good. Why is it when someone gets a product as expected, and posts a positive review, nobody wants to kick the poster in the balls for calling it what it is?

I bet if I sold wnroscoe this gun for $2700.00 (sight unseen but with the same claims as from the custom shop)his balls would be wrapped around an axle
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I usually call first to resolve my issues, but I also read Consumer Reports as well. The internet reviews and postings of today are the new Consumer Reports.

Good Job OP!!!!


 
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Amazing how the majority of the direct attacks on my post our from those living/ residing in Lousiana, strange coincidence that Clark is located in LA and their all in the gun buisness. Let's play connect the dots! I don't give shit, as long as my frikn handgun runs when it gets back. The rest is all speculation and fluff! Trust me, I'm not singling Clark out. I am stating fact, what happened happened and I'm entitled to vent wherever I please however I please. I just checked my GPS and I am still within the borders of the US OF A and no where in the bible or constitution does it say, " You can't pitch a bitch about F' up handgun"

Hell, McMillan sent me a custom 6.5x.284 tactical rifle I had built with loose action screws. Easy fix, simple to do ones self. The issues with my handgun I am not proficient with repairing or doing myself.
 
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Smack, you're right. Its just your mood. And unfortunately for you, you are not at a loss for words.

1. No one suggested this is business as usual.
2. Clark offered no excuse, according to you.
3. Clark immediately responded "return the gun".

Smack, I hope that's not all you've learned, the bar fight bit. Your beginning post only says about your need to put others down on a public forum than Clark's smithing expertise.

Clark Custom Guns has built 4 pistols for me since 1980. They have been perfect.
Clark has been smithing 1911's for 50+ years. They've probably worked on 100,000 of them. When you discovered beatn' your meat Jimbo had been tuning 1911's for years. You happened to get one that one of his smiths forgot to tighten the front sight on. So what? Mistake. Human error. Challenger accident.

Hastening to publish to the world your temper instead of fixing the problem, you photo'd the sight and the beautiful gun Clark built and vented your anger that has been pent up, I suspect, since long before Clark built your gun.

Because your disappointment in the sights being loose, which clearly can be fixed by tightening, pushed you over the edge to the extent you nearly threw that beautiful pistol downrange you should prayerfully consider taking some time off and a break from guns - perhaps investing the money saved on psychotherapy to identify the source of your deeply rooted resentment you're seeking to conceal with pretty material objects - or a 12-step program, the Chopra Center, Yoga. A pet maybe. Time serving others at your local soup kitchen will help you think of someone other than yourself for a change. That is a foreign concept I'm certain. Last, the Benedictine Order accepts strangers willingly. A monastery in your area will allow you to spend a week with them. I recommend it.

If I were Clark I would return to you the pistol in the condition in which it arrived 14 months ago along with your $1400 and call it even. But they're better people than me. They will tolerate you, tighten your sights, but tell you to hike off next time you send in a gun. And I pity you if you run into Jimbo at a match some place. I hope I'm there to keep others from pulling him off ya'.

I saw this last night and had thought I would not reply, but oh well. What the heck!
 
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You're cheating a lil too far off base before the pitch is thrown Smack. Its natural for the gunsmithing community to stick together, it's a small community and mens livelihood can be on the line. I agree that you might have picked a less aggressive thread title, but upon reading it's not so bad. Don't get so wrapped up around the axle over responses, lest your head become so firmly and publicly entrenched in your 3rdPOC that there is no way out. You have a right to expect quality work done right the first time, and you have the right to tell others about your experience. In your shoes I may have waited until the situation was resolved and posted it in it's entirety. Then again what's the Internet good for if not to post your righteous digital rage and complain about the government.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hastening to publish to the world your temper instead of fixing the problem, you photo'd the sight and the beautiful gun Clark built and vented your anger that has been pent up, I suspect, since long before Clark built your gun.

Because your disappointment in the sights being loose, which clearly can be fixed by tightening, pushed you over the edge to the extent you nearly threw that beautiful pistol downrange you should prayerfully consider taking some time off and a break from guns - perhaps investing the money saved on psychotherapy to identify the source of your deeply rooted resentment you're seeking to conceal with pretty material objects - or a 12-step program, the Chopra Center, Yoga. A pet maybe. Time serving others at your local soup kitchen will help you think of someone other than yourself for a change. That is a foreign concept I'm certain. Last, the Benedictine Order accepts strangers willingly. A monastery in your area will allow you to spend a week with them. I recommend it.
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By far, the FUNNIEST thing ever published on Sniper's Hide. All my future business goes to the LA MAFIA!!!
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I'm 100% with you SMACK, If I were dropping that kind of coin on ANY custom build, from ANYONE and it came back they way it did...I would be FIRED UP.

The nice thing is that I certainly don't want to have anything built by wnroscoe...that's for damn sure.

If I was having an automobile restored or customized, got it back and 10 miles down the road, the tire started to fall off. I'd be pretty pissed.

BASIC RULES OF BUSINESS.
A customer will tell 100 people about a bad experience, but only 10 about a good experience...so get it right the first time.
 
#47
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I have no dog in this fight.

If I order something from any one, I expect them to get it right. If I custom order something that costs $1400, they better check it thoroughly before they send it out the door.

This is not the case here. The OP paid a lot of money. I can not imagine the depth of his anger at what he received.

I think this is as good a place as any to vent his anger.

This is my opnion.

Sean
 
#48
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Looks like maybe they forgot to repin it after refinishing it. Shit happens, call em-get it fixed, and drive on. I would bet the handgun has been extensively tested but then torn down and finish applied and rebuilt which would lead to your missing pin.

That said would I be pissed? hell yeah I would...
 
#49
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....

SMACK,
I'd be pissed about it too. I can understand the let down when the gun you spent your hard earned money on and had such high expectations for came home in less than perfect condition. It has happened to me too so I know how it feels.
But I wouldn't bad mouth the smith in a public forum, no matter who, until it was evident to me that I was going to get nothing from them.
This type behavior happens way more frequently here than it should. Members seem to be "quicker on the trigger" than ever before to bad mouth gunsmiths, manufacturers, products, each other, etc based on one isolated incident without regard. I am sure you did your homework before deciding to use Clark Custom. I would hope you would do the same homework before publicly trashing them. Did you find anything else in any forum that said they do shitty work? I bet not.
BTW, you'll notice I am not a part of the LA Mafia. I did know Mr. Clark, Sr. And I know Jim Jr, his sister Kay, her husband Jerry and most all the family. They are quality folks and deserve to be treated as such. Hell, for that matter, we all deserve to be treated better until we prove other wise.
 
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Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....

I have to agree the title is what caught my eye. It's a litle rough for what is wrong. However, as custom builds go, this should have never be sent out the door. Any one who does this for a living should take enough pride in their work to never let something like this happen and if it does they should be paying for shipping and knocking off a few bucks for the problem. I know they have to make a living too, but any time a person pays that kind of cash for work you should go over it like your life depends on it.

Like he Smack said, if he had just holstered it and walked out the door he could have found himself in a bad situation fast. Of course, anyone who drops that kind of loot on a single pistol probably has another one (or 5) in the safe. I have no experience with Clark but from everyone else posting, I can see they are typically top notch. My question is, if this is custom smithing why was this pistol not taken over to the range and test fired for accuracy? Just 5 rounds down the pipe? This surely would have been caught. Like the old adage goes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. A simple check would have saved this thread having ever being started.
 
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