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Sidearms & Scatterguns Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
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Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ready? I'm about to blow your mind! This self-righteous preaching about second chances and opportunities to fix things. Was that extended to SMACK? How many of you PM'd him about your frustrations with his post and offered him up an opportunity to resolve them before you resulted in trashing, bashing and attacking him?</div></div>That's exactly the point of the people you are arguing against: The gunsmith did not rush to post on a public forum, but SMACK did; so they are saying that the 'smith isn't being treated fairly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Hey, your wife cheated on you!" -- "it's okay, I talked to the guy. Gave him an opportunity to straighten things out. If he doesn't then I'll jump on the hide and post my dissatisfaction.</div></div>Hmmmm.... there are obvious differences between a gunsmith and a wife, although maybe not if one sees marriage as a business - then by all means be a gentleman and give the guy another chance at her.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ready? I'm about to blow your mind! This self-righteous preaching about second chances and opportunities to fix things. Was that extended to SMACK? How many of you PM'd him about your frustrations with his post and offered him up an opportunity to resolve them before you resulted in trashing, bashing and attacking him?</div></div>That's exactly the point of the people you are arguing against: The gunsmith did not rush to post on a public forum, but SMACK did; so they are saying that the 'smith isn't being treated fairly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Hey, your wife cheated on you!" -- "it's okay, I talked to the guy. Gave him an opportunity to straighten things out. If he doesn't then I'll jump on the hide and post my dissatisfaction.</div></div>Hmmmm.... there are obvious differences between a gunsmith and a wife, although maybe not if one sees marriage as a business - then by all means be a gentleman and give the guy another chance at her.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm
mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
Did You know that there is an Average of 21 problems per 100 BMW 5 series? I mean if I pay 45,000 dollars for a car it better be fucking perfect right? That's not the way the world works. Think about how many times you misplace your keys, or forget something your wife or girlfriend tells you to do. When you pay a talented man, or shop to do work for you you don't pay to guarantee PERFECT work, you pay to guarantee that you will receive a level of quality and service. Part of that service is fixing anything that may not be right , even though it should have been. Badmojo we do live in a real time world, with all kinds of fun technology that makes manufacturing more precise, but it still takes hand crafting to make firearms superb. It's pretty fucking easy to fix a digital mistake, that's why businesses like computers more than whiteout. But you can't put materiel back on a barrel. It's important to remember that gunsmithing is a SERVICE industry that results in a product, not a mercantile industry. So granted the OP can be angry about the fact that he paid X dollars and when he got his pistol back it had several problems his money is still paying for the work that smith will do.
Did You know that there is an Average of 21 problems per 100 BMW 5 series? I mean if I pay 45,000 dollars for a car it better be fucking perfect right? That's not the way the world works. Think about how many times you misplace your keys, or forget something your wife or girlfriend tells you to do. When you pay a talented man, or shop to do work for you you don't pay to guarantee PERFECT work, you pay to guarantee that you will receive a level of quality and service. Part of that service is fixing anything that may not be right , even though it should have been. Badmojo we do live in a real time world, with all kinds of fun technology that makes manufacturing more precise, but it still takes hand crafting to make firearms superb. It's pretty fucking easy to fix a digital mistake, that's why businesses like computers more than whiteout. But you can't put materiel back on a barrel. It's important to remember that gunsmithing is a SERVICE industry that results in a product, not a mercantile industry. So granted the OP can be angry about the fact that he paid X dollars and when he got his pistol back it had several problems his money is still paying for the work that smith will do.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm.... there are obvious differences between a gunsmith and a wife, although maybe not if one sees marriage as a business - then by all means be a gentleman and give the guy another chance at her.
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ROFL!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm.... there are obvious differences between a gunsmith and a wife, although maybe not if one sees marriage as a business - then by all means be a gentleman and give the guy another chance at her.
ROFL!
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm17</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother.</div></div>
I prefer younger brother (sounds better) and I'm also the owner of two information security companies that deal with government and defense organizations both domestic and foreign.
And no, it's not ridiculous. I don't even use Facebook.
~badmojo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm17</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother.</div></div>
I prefer younger brother (sounds better) and I'm also the owner of two information security companies that deal with government and defense organizations both domestic and foreign.
And no, it's not ridiculous. I don't even use Facebook.
~badmojo
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm17</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother. </div></div>
LOL......are you joking?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm17</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mojo, you need to fill out your profile.
desertrat, how did you get a vid of Smack?
http://www.medialaw.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Public_Resources/Libel_FAQs/Libel_FAQs.htm </div></div>
Libel has no effect over opinion and requires proof of false accusations.
And no, I don't fill out my profiles. Information security, remember. Anything more than a monkey could find out more about me, but security through obscurity is still a relevant principle... and besides, it keeps dueling banjo's out of my back yard.
~badmojo </div></div>
Don't be ridiculous and fill out your profile. You live in Snohomish, WA and your the OPs little brother. </div></div>
LOL......are you joking?
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ready? I'm about to blow your mind!
This self-righteous preaching about second chances and opportunities to fix things. Was that extended to SMACK? How many of you PM'd him about your frustrations with his post and offered him up an opportunity to resolve them before you resulted in trashing, bashing and attacking him?
"Hey, your wife cheated on you!" -- "it's okay, I talked to the guy. Gave him an opportunity to straighten things out. If he doesn't then I'll jump on the hide and post my dissatisfaction. You know, just trying to be a gentleman."
LOL
What a bunch of monkeys.
~badmojo </div></div>
You obviously dont understand the difference between an honest mistake and an intentional act.
One is forgivable, the other......not so much so.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badmojo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ready? I'm about to blow your mind!
This self-righteous preaching about second chances and opportunities to fix things. Was that extended to SMACK? How many of you PM'd him about your frustrations with his post and offered him up an opportunity to resolve them before you resulted in trashing, bashing and attacking him?
"Hey, your wife cheated on you!" -- "it's okay, I talked to the guy. Gave him an opportunity to straighten things out. If he doesn't then I'll jump on the hide and post my dissatisfaction. You know, just trying to be a gentleman."
LOL
What a bunch of monkeys.
~badmojo </div></div>
You obviously dont understand the difference between an honest mistake and an intentional act.
One is forgivable, the other......not so much so.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still sit here at a loss for words as I type this, wondering if it's just my mood today or if I'm in the right for being so PISSED I cant see straight!
I had Clark rework my 1911 Springfield Champion to the tune of 1400.00 not including the price of the handgun. 1400.00 was for the work in itself.
The handgun looked great, the grips felt great and I can say it functioned mechanically as in chamber and eject perfectly. This was the first time I have shot the handgun since it was returned to me. The first 3 rounds were six to eight inches high and the same left. This bothered me due to the fact the paper work said it had been extensively tested. I guess I was expecting to much to think that when one drops 1400.00 to rework a handgun that the smith would at least test it in a rest or pull a general bore sight.
I then adjust the rear sight down, it bottomed out in two clicks(NOT GOOD). I then adjusted right and fired 3 more. I was still 4 inches high bottomed out for adjustment and even further left?????I adjusted the rear sight all the way right adjustment until it bottomed out and fired 3 more it was 4 inches high and even more left. I double checked my adjustment to make sure I hadn't gone the wrong way when I noticed the front sight had worked almost all the way out of the dove tail and was about to fall off. Right then and there I about lost it, it took every bit of will power I had not to throw the damn thing down range! So all in all I'm sitting here looking at a 2000.00 handgun that in it's current state is a WRECK! The sight system is not compatable with the handgun and the front sight is a catastrophe!
I waited over a year for the hangun work to be finished.....It was to late to call and I wanted to sleep on it before I sent a e-mail. Figured time would take the edge off!
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Kharma!!
I put a curse on you for not paying me for the RCBS .25-06 dies that I was nice enough to send to you before an expected payment, which I've waited over 3 years for. I still have all the PM's if a mod want's to eyeball them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still sit here at a loss for words as I type this, wondering if it's just my mood today or if I'm in the right for being so PISSED I cant see straight!
I had Clark rework my 1911 Springfield Champion to the tune of 1400.00 not including the price of the handgun. 1400.00 was for the work in itself.
The handgun looked great, the grips felt great and I can say it functioned mechanically as in chamber and eject perfectly. This was the first time I have shot the handgun since it was returned to me. The first 3 rounds were six to eight inches high and the same left. This bothered me due to the fact the paper work said it had been extensively tested. I guess I was expecting to much to think that when one drops 1400.00 to rework a handgun that the smith would at least test it in a rest or pull a general bore sight.
I then adjust the rear sight down, it bottomed out in two clicks(NOT GOOD). I then adjusted right and fired 3 more. I was still 4 inches high bottomed out for adjustment and even further left?????I adjusted the rear sight all the way right adjustment until it bottomed out and fired 3 more it was 4 inches high and even more left. I double checked my adjustment to make sure I hadn't gone the wrong way when I noticed the front sight had worked almost all the way out of the dove tail and was about to fall off. Right then and there I about lost it, it took every bit of will power I had not to throw the damn thing down range! So all in all I'm sitting here looking at a 2000.00 handgun that in it's current state is a WRECK! The sight system is not compatable with the handgun and the front sight is a catastrophe!
I waited over a year for the hangun work to be finished.....It was to late to call and I wanted to sleep on it before I sent a e-mail. Figured time would take the edge off!
</div></div>
Kharma!!
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
I can care less about all of this, I said my piece. Expressed how I felt about my substandard custom handgun. I returned it to Clark which offered not so much as a sorry or a offer to cover their faulty work being returned to them. All I want is my handgun back in working order AS IT WAS WHEN IT WAS SENT TO THEM! CC will go their way and I will go mine. CC. was replace in the rolodex by LB the day I initially fired the handgun for the first time. They just need to fulfill their end of the deal before it can be closed. However long that will take??? Since there has been no response to e-mail I sent them the day I had my FFL ship the " Wreck of a handgun" We will see how it turns out but so far the way it has been handled doesn't leave me with high hopes.
I can care less about all of this, I said my piece. Expressed how I felt about my substandard custom handgun. I returned it to Clark which offered not so much as a sorry or a offer to cover their faulty work being returned to them. All I want is my handgun back in working order AS IT WAS WHEN IT WAS SENT TO THEM! CC will go their way and I will go mine. CC. was replace in the rolodex by LB the day I initially fired the handgun for the first time. They just need to fulfill their end of the deal before it can be closed. However long that will take??? Since there has been no response to e-mail I sent them the day I had my FFL ship the " Wreck of a handgun" We will see how it turns out but so far the way it has been handled doesn't leave me with high hopes.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still sit here at a loss for words as I type this, wondering if it's just my mood today or if I'm in the right for being so PISSED I cant see straight!
I had Clark rework my 1911 Springfield Champion to the tune of 1400.00 not including the price of the handgun. 1400.00 was for the work in itself.
The handgun looked great, the grips felt great and I can say it functioned mechanically as in chamber and eject perfectly. This was the first time I have shot the handgun since it was returned to me. The first 3 rounds were six to eight inches high and the same left. This bothered me due to the fact the paper work said it had been extensively tested. I guess I was expecting to much to think that when one drops 1400.00 to rework a handgun that the smith would at least test it in a rest or pull a general bore sight.
I then adjust the rear sight down, it bottomed out in two clicks(NOT GOOD). I then adjusted right and fired 3 more. I was still 4 inches high bottomed out for adjustment and even further left?????I adjusted the rear sight all the way right adjustment until it bottomed out and fired 3 more it was 4 inches high and even more left. I double checked my adjustment to make sure I hadn't gone the wrong way when I noticed the front sight had worked almost all the way out of the dove tail and was about to fall off. Right then and there I about lost it, it took every bit of will power I had not to throw the damn thing down range! So all in all I'm sitting here looking at a 2000.00 handgun that in it's current state is a WRECK! The sight system is not compatable with the handgun and the front sight is a catastrophe!
I waited over a year for the hangun work to be finished.....It was to late to call and I wanted to sleep on it before I sent a e-mail. Figured time would take the edge off!
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Kharma!!
I put a curse on you for not paying me for the RCBS .25-06 dies that I was nice enough to send to you before an expected payment, which I've waited over 3 years for. I still have all the PM's if a mod want's to eyeball them. </div></div>
Thats funny
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMACK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still sit here at a loss for words as I type this, wondering if it's just my mood today or if I'm in the right for being so PISSED I cant see straight!
I had Clark rework my 1911 Springfield Champion to the tune of 1400.00 not including the price of the handgun. 1400.00 was for the work in itself.
The handgun looked great, the grips felt great and I can say it functioned mechanically as in chamber and eject perfectly. This was the first time I have shot the handgun since it was returned to me. The first 3 rounds were six to eight inches high and the same left. This bothered me due to the fact the paper work said it had been extensively tested. I guess I was expecting to much to think that when one drops 1400.00 to rework a handgun that the smith would at least test it in a rest or pull a general bore sight.
I then adjust the rear sight down, it bottomed out in two clicks(NOT GOOD). I then adjusted right and fired 3 more. I was still 4 inches high bottomed out for adjustment and even further left?????I adjusted the rear sight all the way right adjustment until it bottomed out and fired 3 more it was 4 inches high and even more left. I double checked my adjustment to make sure I hadn't gone the wrong way when I noticed the front sight had worked almost all the way out of the dove tail and was about to fall off. Right then and there I about lost it, it took every bit of will power I had not to throw the damn thing down range! So all in all I'm sitting here looking at a 2000.00 handgun that in it's current state is a WRECK! The sight system is not compatable with the handgun and the front sight is a catastrophe!
I waited over a year for the hangun work to be finished.....It was to late to call and I wanted to sleep on it before I sent a e-mail. Figured time would take the edge off!
</div></div>
Kharma!!
Thats funny
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-style: italic">Kharma!!
I put a curse on you for not paying me for the RCBS .25-06 dies that I was nice enough to send to you before an expected payment, which I've waited over 3 years for. I still have all the PM's if a mod want's to eyeball th</span>em.</span>
Now there's a new twist to this whole ball of shit!
Uh, not that SMACK is a ball of shit, just his thread. After all, I don't know him well enough to call him names.
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-style: italic">Kharma!!
Now there's a new twist to this whole ball of shit!
Uh, not that SMACK is a ball of shit, just his thread. After all, I don't know him well enough to call him names.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
"I love it when a plan comes together"
You two boys are foolish, but loyal....if you don't already have a criminal record I speculate it won't be long...or at least you will likely have the displeasure of be named defendants in a civil action one of these days.
Rather than continuing your elementary ramblings about what you think you know, but do not, and hope someone believes, unfortunately for them, study information provided, and continue to educate yourselves. Kind advice that probably should be done in private, but to hell with it:
<span style="font-size: 14pt">listen and read more</span>.
Put yourselves on keyboard probation for 6 months and do three 12 hour days of community service. Go to confession. Then call your mother after that and see if she has some chores for you to do.
Okay. Im teasing you two...sort of.
Smack, aka, Landon Moses, don't assume Les Baer doesn't have a smith on the Hide. And don't assume, foolishly, they would take your gun in your lifetime. Just trying to save you some time. You need a ghost shooter to send it in for you. lol
"I love it when a plan comes together"
You two boys are foolish, but loyal....if you don't already have a criminal record I speculate it won't be long...or at least you will likely have the displeasure of be named defendants in a civil action one of these days.
Rather than continuing your elementary ramblings about what you think you know, but do not, and hope someone believes, unfortunately for them, study information provided, and continue to educate yourselves. Kind advice that probably should be done in private, but to hell with it:
<span style="font-size: 14pt">listen and read more</span>.
Put yourselves on keyboard probation for 6 months and do three 12 hour days of community service. Go to confession. Then call your mother after that and see if she has some chores for you to do.
Okay. Im teasing you two...sort of.
Smack, aka, Landon Moses, don't assume Les Baer doesn't have a smith on the Hide. And don't assume, foolishly, they would take your gun in your lifetime. Just trying to save you some time. You need a ghost shooter to send it in for you. lol
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
While I hesitated to even respond here, it seems that there is a simple presise to this entire discussion. The OP felt that his investment in his firearm was not reflected in the build quality, and posted as such on this open forum. Others, including several well-respected gunsmiths, came to the defense of the original 'smith. Then the discussion degenerated into a a scene reminiscent of a monkey shit fight at the zoo.
My issue with this whole discussion is that the following the identification of the discrepancy, the OP did not offer the 'smith the opportunity to correct the error prior to publishing his displeasure on this open forum. I understand both sides of the arguement, and strangely enough, agree with both. The 'smith should have built the OP's firearm as the OP desired. And the OP should have allowed the 'smith the opportunity to correct the issue prior to posting his displeasure on an open forum.
As has been made plain earlier in this thread, manufacturers will deliver to their customer assemblies that fail quality checks. The intent of the manufacturer is to not deliver discrepant assemblies, but one will slip through from time to time. When this occurs, and the manufacturer is notified, I am not aware of a single manufacturer who intends to respond, 'Tough luck, customer. I've already got your money."
I once ordered some component parts from a high-quality, well respected vendor who frequents this site. I received my components and was very pleased. Approximately three months later, my card was charged again. I contacted the vendor and asked about the double charge. An apparrent error in shipping and charging had resulted in my being charged and sent a second order. That vendor, on being notified of the error, immediately refunded my money prior to me having actually received the component parts, which I returned to the vendor. The issue was closed at that point, and I have continued to enjoy good service and excellent parts from that vendor.
This entire debaucle could have easily been avoided had the OP contacted the 'smith prior to voicing his displeasure on this forum. And there is where my displeasure lies.
While I hesitated to even respond here, it seems that there is a simple presise to this entire discussion. The OP felt that his investment in his firearm was not reflected in the build quality, and posted as such on this open forum. Others, including several well-respected gunsmiths, came to the defense of the original 'smith. Then the discussion degenerated into a a scene reminiscent of a monkey shit fight at the zoo.
My issue with this whole discussion is that the following the identification of the discrepancy, the OP did not offer the 'smith the opportunity to correct the error prior to publishing his displeasure on this open forum. I understand both sides of the arguement, and strangely enough, agree with both. The 'smith should have built the OP's firearm as the OP desired. And the OP should have allowed the 'smith the opportunity to correct the issue prior to posting his displeasure on an open forum.
As has been made plain earlier in this thread, manufacturers will deliver to their customer assemblies that fail quality checks. The intent of the manufacturer is to not deliver discrepant assemblies, but one will slip through from time to time. When this occurs, and the manufacturer is notified, I am not aware of a single manufacturer who intends to respond, 'Tough luck, customer. I've already got your money."
I once ordered some component parts from a high-quality, well respected vendor who frequents this site. I received my components and was very pleased. Approximately three months later, my card was charged again. I contacted the vendor and asked about the double charge. An apparrent error in shipping and charging had resulted in my being charged and sent a second order. That vendor, on being notified of the error, immediately refunded my money prior to me having actually received the component parts, which I returned to the vendor. The issue was closed at that point, and I have continued to enjoy good service and excellent parts from that vendor.
This entire debaucle could have easily been avoided had the OP contacted the 'smith prior to voicing his displeasure on this forum. And there is where my displeasure lies.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
The truth of the matter is, the OP just shot himself in the foot. If I was the smith, I'd send his gun back and tell him to go fuck himself quite frankly.
The OP has shot his load. He came in hot and spilled every card in the deck right off the bat.
Common sense tells you not to just start trashing someone before they have even had a chance to remedy the problem. You leave them with little insentive to do so. No matter how well the smith responds to this situation, the OP is gonna trash talk him everywhere anyways. The desire a service provider has in fixing a problem is to prevent the customer from being dissatisfied and telling everyone else about his negative experience.
Since the OP started with bashing the smith right off the bat, there is really no where to go from here except to send his gun back untouched and tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.
The truth of the matter is, the OP just shot himself in the foot. If I was the smith, I'd send his gun back and tell him to go fuck himself quite frankly.
The OP has shot his load. He came in hot and spilled every card in the deck right off the bat.
Common sense tells you not to just start trashing someone before they have even had a chance to remedy the problem. You leave them with little insentive to do so. No matter how well the smith responds to this situation, the OP is gonna trash talk him everywhere anyways. The desire a service provider has in fixing a problem is to prevent the customer from being dissatisfied and telling everyone else about his negative experience.
Since the OP started with bashing the smith right off the bat, there is really no where to go from here except to send his gun back untouched and tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.
Re: Total Wreck! Clark Custom....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense tells you not to just start trashing someone before they have even had a chance to remedy the problem. </div></div>
And with that last little bit of wisdom this thread is officially done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense tells you not to just start trashing someone before they have even had a chance to remedy the problem. </div></div>
And with that last little bit of wisdom this thread is officially done.
