F T/R Competition TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

[supratt96]

I have one of the Euro Optic .260 TRGs on the way. I wanted a rifle I could use (and would hopefully be reasonably competitive) in both F-open and tactical matches. I have a NF 8x32 BR scope for F-open. I am aware that I will have to single load for f-class.

Any one ever shoot a TRG in F-class or see them on the line? If so, how did they do? Any thoughts on the subject are welcome.

 

[skinnypitt]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I have only been shooting F-class for about a year now and I have never seen this type of rifle on the line. i am shooting a 260 tac rifle built by Surgeon but it is really hard to compete in open I think with my set-up. (I also shoot off a bipod because this rifle was built for tactical comps) Also, I have noticed most of the guys in Open shooting 1k are shooting 284 and the like. Also, I cant imagine I could compete with only 8x magnification. I shoot the NF 5.5-22x56 and that may be a bit under what I need.

 

[jaychris]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I've seen a TRG-22 in .308Win shoot F/TR and be competitive with regards to T/R scores. Around here, I think there's a fairly short list of T/R competitors who can shoot (and win) with the Open shooters, but I've seen it done so it's not incomprehensible.

I'd say that all things being equal, you'll be at a disadvantage (rifle-wise) vs. Open shooters.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I forgot to mention in my first post that the range I shoot F-class at is a 600 yard range. This is also the range that state championships are held at.

I know a .260 would not fare well against the real hotrods at 1000yds, but figured at 600yds the "hotrod" advantage would be minimal. I shot a 6mm remington Cooper M22 in my first shoot a couple weeks ago and won my third match against some very high end customs. My Cooper is a solid rifle, but I figured the TRG would be better suited.

 

[jaychris]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I don't think it has anything to do with the round per-se. I shoot a 6 Dasher at 600 and a .260AI at 1000. I know a F-T/R shooter who shoots a .223 and regularly shoots with (and has beaten) the Open guys.

I just don't see a TRG being competitive with a purpose built Open rifle. All other things being equal.

Not trying to discourage you, cause I think the TRG is an awesome rifle and F-Class is a heck of a lot of fun. .260Rem is a great round and is more than adequate for 600 yards.

I guess the point I am making is that it's not going to be about your round faring well against "hotrods". It'll be about your ability to shoot your TRG (at any caliber), from a rest, with an 8X scope, against a 22lb, 42X+ optic-sporting, custom-built, purpose built rifle.

 

[Pat M]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

Don't worry - it will work fine

If your not chasing the F-Class tail (hence your not building a super F-Class rifle)
Should get a good load worked up and 600 great, 1000 you will be able to see which load shines

 

[frankythefly]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I shoot a TRG-22 at f-class but mine is chambered in .308 so I shoot in TR class. The TRG-22 has no issue being competitive as it is a 1/2moa rifle. The x ring on the f-class targets are 1/2 MOA so for f-class you do not need to get any more accurate than that. My personal theory for shooting is its 1/3 the shooter, 1/3 the ammo, and 1/3 the rifle. The sako TRG fulfills 1/3 now it is up to your shooting and your reloading skills to make up for the other 2/3. Also competing in f-open you can use a front rest which will help the shooter part.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaychris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think it has anything to do with the round per-se. I shoot a 6 Dasher at 600 and a .260AI at 1000. I know a F-T/R shooter who shoots a .223 and regularly shoots with (and has beaten) the Open guys.

I just don't see a TRG being competitive with a purpose built Open rifle. All other things being equal.

Not trying to discourage you, cause I think the TRG is an awesome rifle and F-Class is a heck of a lot of fun. .260Rem is a great round and is more than adequate for 600 yards.

I guess the point I am making is that it's not going to be about your round faring well against "hotrods". It'll be about your ability to shoot your TRG (at any caliber), from a rest, with an 8X scope, against a 22lb, 42X+ optic-sporting, custom-built, purpose built rifle.
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I think you misunderstood my scope magnification. It's a 8x32x56 BR model. My rifle may not quite hang with the big dollar customs, but scope won't be a week link.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot a TRG-22 at f-class but mine is chambered in .308 so I shoot in TR class. The TRG-22 has no issue being competitive as it is a 1/2moa rifle. The x ring on the f-class targets are 1/2 MOA so for f-class you do not need to get any more accurate than that. My personal theory for shooting is its 1/3 the shooter, 1/3 the ammo, and 1/3 the rifle. The sako TRG fulfills 1/3 now it is up to your shooting and your reloading skills to make up for the other 2/3. Also competing in f-open you can use a front rest which will help the shooter part. </div></div>

That's what I was hoping to hear. Everyone who has a TRG seems to rave about the ergonomics and the stock was designed with prone position in mind, so it would seem to me that a TRG should be able to compete, assuming I do my part. I don't expect to dominate the class with a TRG. I just want to be in the race.

My Cooper is also a 1/2 MOA (or better) rifle, but the stock is not well suited for prone and the rifle weighs only 9 lbs with optics. I was also concerned about rapid barrel wear considering the 6mm Rem chambering. I know the .260 isn't exactly gentle on barrels, but the 6mm Rem is a serious burner.

 

[frankythefly]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaychris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think it has anything to do with the round per-se. I shoot a 6 Dasher at 600 and a .260AI at 1000. I know a F-T/R shooter who shoots a .223 and regularly shoots with (and has beaten) the Open guys.

I just don't see a TRG being competitive with a purpose built Open rifle. All other things being equal.

Not trying to discourage you, cause I think the TRG is an awesome rifle and F-Class is a heck of a lot of fun. .260Rem is a great round and is more than adequate for 600 yards.

I guess the point I am making is that it's not going to be about your round faring well against "hotrods". It'll be about your ability to shoot your TRG (at any caliber), from a rest, with an 8X scope, against a 22lb, 42X+ optic-sporting, custom-built, purpose built rifle.
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I think you misunderstood my scope magnification. It's a 8x32x56 BR model. My rifle may not quite hang with the big dollar customs, but scope won't be a week link. </div></div>

It will have no issues hanging with the big dollar customs as it should be a 1/2moa rifle, people who spend ton of money to squeeze more accuracy out of a 1/2moa f-class rifle have no sense, if all that needs to be accomplished is 1/2moa. If this was a competition in which the groups where to be measured then yes high dollar customs would rule, however for f-class all that is required is 1/2moa.

 

[ar-don71]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have one of the Euro Optic .260 TRGs on the way. I wanted a rifle I could use (and would hopefully be reasonably competitive) in both F-open and tactical matches. I have a NF 8x32 BR scope for F-open. I am aware that I will have to single load for f-class.

Any one ever shoot a TRG in F-class or see them on the line? If so, how did they do? Any thoughts on the subject are welcome.

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I too have a Euro Optic 260 on the way, and was going to shoot F-class with it aslo.
I did not want a purpose built f-open rifle since it will only be used 2 or 3 times a year for
matches.
if i dont win its not going to bother me, im in it for fun.

I have been using a Tikka Scout for 600yd matches in the f-tr .i've done well with it.
i figure the TRG will do better.

i think we will be competitive if we do are part

my only concern is not burning up the barrel.
i will be curious to see how hot it is after 20 rounds.

 

[mjh30]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

Lakeway, have at it, go shoot and have fun. The TRG's are great rifles, sounds like you know how to hang anyways if you are winning at 600 with a 6mm againist purpose built open rigs. Also guys, I know we all have our own opinions, and I think Jaychris may have misread Lakeway's posting. But the last time I shot at a match, Jaychris had a 200-014 string on one relay at 500, so I do think he does know what he talking about.

 

[leadbullet]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

i have shot a TRG 22 in 308 for almost a year now in Fclass TR, no problem being competitive as i have won my fair share of matches. your TRG in 260, if 1/2 MOA will do just fine with the heavies all the way to 1000, when my 308 barrel is worn out or won't hold 1/2 moa it will be replaced with a 260.

 

[Killshot44]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

You should have no problem with that combination.

Work up a load for a 142SMK that gives you good speed and the lowest ES you can get.

I use a 8-32x56 NF out to 1K, great scope.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killshot44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should have no problem with that combination.

Work up a load for a 142SMK that gives you good speed and the lowest ES you can get.

I use a 8-32x56 NF out to 1K, great scope. </div></div>

Thanks for the advice. I haven'y tried the SMKs yet. I did try put the 139gr Scenars today and they did very well at 100 yds. 43.5 grains of H-4350 was especially accurate (sub 1/4 MOA). I don't have a chrono, so I don't know the velocity, but I would guess they were arounf 2800 fps.

I plan to try the Sierras next. I hope they work as well as the Scenars since they cost so much less.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I shot my first matches yesterday with my TRG. It seemed to work pretty well as an f-class rifle. Way more comfortable to shoot prone than a standard hunting type rifle.

I managed the following scores:
Match 1. 292-7x
Match 2. 188-6x
Match 3. 188-7x

The wind got a little tricky later in the day. Not blowing hard, but it was variable.

I took second in the first match and third in the other two in my class.

 

[frankythefly]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot my first matches yesterday with my TRG. It seemed to work pretty well as an f-class rifle. Way more comfortable to shoot prone than a standard hunting type rifle.

I managed the following scores:
Match 1. 292-7x
Match 2. 188-6x
Match 3. 188-7x

The wind got a little tricky later in the day. Not blowing hard, but it was variable.

I took second in the first match and third in the other two in my class. </div></div>
Good Shooting! What distances was this match? Once you start shooting the TRG it is really hard to go back to anything else. Where you shooting off a rest or where you using a Bipod?

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot my first matches yesterday with my TRG. It seemed to work pretty well as an f-class rifle. Way more comfortable to shoot prone than a standard hunting type rifle.

I managed the following scores:
Match 1. 292-7x
Match 2. 188-6x
Match 3. 188-7x

The wind got a little tricky later in the day. Not blowing hard, but it was variable.

I took second in the first match and third in the other two in my class. </div></div>
Good Shooting! What distances was this match? Once you start shooting the TRG it is really hard to go back to anything else. Where you shooting off a rest or where you using a Bipod? </div></div>

The match was 600yds and I was shooting off a Harris bipod. I'm sure my score would improve some with a good front rest, but mostly, I just need practice. This was only my second time shooting at anything over 100yds (other than hunting situations).

 

[leadbullet]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

not too shabby, did you "load" the bipod at all??

 

[head2h2o]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

We had 2 shooters on the line this weekend for the local 1000yd match with TRGs. One was a 260 and the other sounded like he wished his was a 260. It was a 308. Most of the F class open guys are running something in the 7mm variety.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not too shabby, did you "load" the bipod at all?? </div></div>

I guess. I have read about that, but it seems to be the natural thing to do. I never conscienciously thought about it till I wayched a Hide video about it.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We had 2 shooters on the line this weekend for the local 1000yd match with TRGs. One was a 260 and the other sounded like he wished his was a 260. It was a 308. Most of the F class open guys are running something in the 7mm variety. </div></div>

How did the TRG guys do?

 

[Mark Walker]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We had 2 shooters on the line this weekend for the local 1000yd match with TRGs. One was a 260 and the other sounded like he wished his was a 260. It was a 308. Most of the F class open guys are running something in the 7mm variety. </div></div>

How did the TRG guys do? </div></div>

The one shooting open did not do well at all...

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mark Walker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We had 2 shooters on the line this weekend for the local 1000yd match with TRGs. One was a 260 and the other sounded like he wished his was a 260. It was a 308. Most of the F class open guys are running something in the 7mm variety. </div></div>

How did the TRG guys do? </div></div>

The one shooting open did not do well at all... </div></div>

Would you say his poor performance was due to lack of experience/poor shooting skills, or unsuitability of the TRG as an f-class rifle?

 

[Mark Walker]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mark Walker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We had 2 shooters on the line this weekend for the local 1000yd match with TRGs. One was a 260 and the other sounded like he wished his was a 260. It was a 308. Most of the F class open guys are running something in the 7mm variety. </div></div>

How did the TRG guys do? </div></div>

The one shooting open did not do well at all... </div></div>

Would you say his poor performance was due to lack of experience/poor shooting skills, or unsuitability of the TRG as an f-class rifle? </div></div>

Some of both (experience and equip), but more so the equipment is simply not up to competing with purpose built Open rifles.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

I shot my second F-class match today with my TRG-260 and saw a significant amount of improvement. My first match I scored 568-20x. This time out, I managed 580-23x.

Some of the improvement was probably due to better conditions. Very little wind to contend with today, but still nice to see my scores improving.

I didn't get to see the other scores but they should be posted in a few days. When they come out, I'll see how I did in comparison to the other shooters.

 

[supratt96]

Re: TRG-22 in .260 for F-open?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lakeway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot my second F-class match today with my TRG-260 and saw a significant amount of improvement. My first match I scored 568-20x. This time out, I managed 580-23x.

Some of the improvement was probably due to better conditions. Very little wind to contend with today, but still nice to see my scores improving.

I didn't get to see the other scores but they should be posted in a few days. When they come out, I'll see how I did in comparison to the other shooters.</div></div>

Looks like a TRG can hold it's own in F-class. I won 3 out of 4 matches including the aggregate and had the most X rings by a pretty good margin. This is just a small club shoot, but I'm still pretty pumped!

Still need to get a good front rest. Been using a Harris bipod and I'm certain I could do better with a more stable platform.