Trigger control with different platforms

turbo54

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When dry firing my Savage accutrigger, my Sako TRG, and a bunch of Remingtons, all at a 1" target spot at 25x magnification, I can keep the reticle dead-on the spot.

With a Winchester 70 or FN SPR, the reticle ALWAYS hops upwards about 3/4" on the target. This is very repeatable. Regardless of being on the bench or prone, bipod loaded a little, a lot, or none, being straight behind the rifle or canted...the reticle will ALWAYS jump upon dryfire.

What gives? Any ideas?
 
Re: Trigger control with different platforms

The reticle only follows the movement of the rifle.

As you state it, one would be led to surmise that the rifle stays steady and the reticle jumps.

It's called "muzzle blast". Newton's laws of physics and all of that rot.
 
Re: Trigger control with different platforms

Clearly, the reticle is not what's moving...

The relative motion between reticle and target is the visual manifestation of the rifle moving upon dryfire.

Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

Not exactly sure what you mean by muzzleblast, I'm talking about dryfire, not livefire.
 
Re: Trigger control with different platforms

I don't know, I'm very comfortable behind a McM A3 and A4. Proper LOP for me is 14.25, and my rifles are set that way.

I fire a lot of folk's rifles, and I'll always dryfire them a few times before going hot. The Win70/FN SPR is the common denominator for the movement I'm talking about.

I can't shake it. I've tried all kinds of positions, grips, bipod loadings, bipods, sandbags etc etc... Always happens.
 
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I can't bring myself to understand how such a phenomenon translates to the actual firing process. Even if it has a consequence, I cannot imagine what it might be and what's the process at work.

Best I can do is suggest that like other factors, as long as trigger pull remains consistent, whatever consequence occurs, it will (should?) be transparent to the rest of the process. Otherwise, it should be impossible to shoot tight with such a rifle, and I really don't think that's happening.

I know a lot folks are devoted to dry firing, and believe it can only have a positive effect. When I see the uncertainty and consternation contained in issues like this question, I suspect I may be seeing a negative (psychological) effect at work.

I believe that trigger pull may be one of the most overthought factors in serious shooting. There's a right way, so do it that way. Don't sweat it beyond that.

Greg
 
Re: Trigger control with different platforms

OP,

Here's the bottom line, you've got movement when you pull the trigger. This disturbs aim. The movement is vertical. This can be caused by abandonment of aim, which is forced by the brain upon perception that the two firing tasks are finished. So, the next time you dry fire command yourself to maintain aim with trigger depressed for a few seconds after the firing tasks have been executed. Be sure to pull the trigger SMOOTHLY. And be sure to adjust NPA properly. Do these things and the sight will not leave the target unless you have an issue with getting the proper stockweld, where the full weight of the head is rested on the comb of the stock. If you are now pressing or lifting your head to get the proper eyepiece/eyeball relationship you need to get another mount or an adjustable comb. Never expect the comb height of the box stock rifle to be even close to what is needed for a proper stockweld. Since your problem is isolated to the FN SPR I'd suspect this is a likely source for error.

Once you've got the comb properly adjusted, here are the correct steps: shoulder the rifle, cognisant of the 5 factors of a steady position, but without any consideration for the target. That's to say, do not unconsciously steer the reticle to the target. Also, be sure to bring stock to head rather than head to stock. This will dictate the spot in the pocket formed in the shoulder where the butt will be.

Adjust NPA for the desired hold.

Focus on reticle.

Pull trigger smoothly.

Follow through.

Greg,

Your advice is spot on but what's the shooter going to do with it? He just wants to eliminate the movement. Certainly, as you alluded, if the movement has been accounted for there may not be a consequence but that would require being consistently inconsistent. That's difficult; plus, if the inconsistency produces angular error then even when the inconsistency is consistent there's no telling what the result will be at any but one distance to target.
 
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Focus on reticle.

Pull trigger smoothly.

Follow through.
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My bad. I had assumed what you just said was so obvious, I never said it.

Thank you, Charles, for the kick-start,


Greg