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As the issues span 9 months... across many purchases, all at different times throughout the year, it would have to be quite a huge lot size for it to be a single run of parts at fault. I would think most manufacturing entities would run a smaller number of parts. Even large entities. However only Triggertech could answer that.These problems from a bad "batch" from TT??
Has anyone asked/informed TT about these issues?? Curious to what they have to say!!As the issues span 9 months... across many purchases, all at different times throughout the year, it would have to be quite a huge lot size for it to be a single run of parts at fault. I would think most manufacturing entities would run a smaller number of parts. Even large entities. However only Triggertech could answer that.
More on that soon.Has anyone asked/informed TT about these issues?? Curious to what they have to say!!
Has anyone asked/informed TT about these issues?? Curious to what they have to say!!
I saw this thread and called the owner on his personal cell phone he knows the thread is here and has read it. Not sure yet what the issue's are I'm a little curious myself. He's a solid guy and I am sure he will chime in soon...Has anyone asked/informed TT about these issues?? Curious to what they have to say!!
That's the real problem of having a trigger, or any other part of a rifle go down. No matter how advanced your skillset or how experienced you are, when a rifle throws a curve ball at you, it can take hundreds if not thousands of rounds to get that trust back. Not an issue when it's just a casual rifle. A competition or hunting rifle, and it's an entirely other matter.had me second guessing the rifle the entire hunt.
Not an issue in my Zermatt TL3.Mine are in defiance actions and work just fine. It sounds to me like a lot of the problems are in Zermitt actions. Impact was mentioned too but those worked after being installed properly. If you fellas don’t want those old crappy tt diamond triggers give them to me.
That’s good to hear.Had this happen with a TT diamond very recently. The trigger was purchased several months ago and only recently installed. I talked with Ed Kim at TT. He explained that they have learned that the sear height in some triggers might need to be a little lower. He sent me a return label, and they have a new trigger headed my way. Very friendly and prompt customer service.
Wish TT would address this on here!!
I contacted them a couple of days ago. A few emails back and forth, very timely. After sending pics of the trigger and serial number, they sent me a return label and said a new one would be on the way as soon as they had them in stock.
So far, impressive customer service. We will see how long it takes to get a replacement.
I had this exact issue on a two-stage TT Diamond and Vudoo. It was new, didn’t have any rounds on it after install. Cleaned it with zippo fluid (per their suggestion) and it seemed good, shot at the range fine later that day, and I called it good. Next morning at a match, I was zeroing and had same issue. Fortunately I brought my TT single stage trigger with me and I was able to swap it before that match started. They replaced it and my replacement has been fine for a while - around 2k rounds.
Curious can you tell me more about this I too have a nucleus action this is what my misfires look like left was fired and right was not it does this with my 6.5cm and that 22cmHad this issue about 2 weeks ago on a ARC Nucleus. At 1st thought it was my reloads (felt like hangfires). Then I dried fired to check and it was doing exact same thing as described. Seems like a false break then actual break. I dried fired several times and the issue has disappeared. I hadn't shot this rifle in awhile, and speculate it was just dirt/dust that might've gotten inside somehow. It is 1/5 TT Diamonds (single stage) I have. No issues with the others so far.
Curious can you tell me more about this I too have a nucleus action this is what my misfires look like left was fired and right was not it does this with my 6.5cm and that 22cm
It looks like you are plenty hot on the load. Also check to see how well your primers are seated. If they are not seated well, the first hit from the pin seats the primer and possibly ruins it. It does appear that your firing issue is not trigger related, unless your sear is dragging, causing not enough energy in the pin. My initial though would be to clean the primer pocket in the brass, then make sure the primer is seated well in the case.Curious can you tell me more about this I too have a nucleus action this is what my misfires look like left was fired and right was not it does this with my 6.5cm and that 22cm
I’ve had 2 different tt’s hooked up to my TL3 and neither have had issues. A single stage special and a diamond 2 stage. That is unfortunate you have issues with your rimx. Maybe you have a faulty trigger or some kind of engagement issues within the action?This is an exploratory thread to try and understand the scope of an issue we've been having with TT triggers. Is it an isolated issue, or is it more widespread?
First off, I'll say I love me some Trigger Tech triggers. I love the ease of install/timing, and I love how they feel when they are working correctly. All of the TT triggers we get come from TS Customs, and many of them are pre-installed in the rifles or barreled actions.
Early this spring, on a live stream with our first RimX 22lr action... we had a TT diamond go down. It was working fine... and then started hang firing. Upon pressing the trigger, I'd feel/hear a tiny tick, but the sear would not fall and the cocking piece/firing pin would not move. Then by just touching the bolt handle, bolt shroud, or wiggling the trigger shoe... it would fire. I replaced the trigger with a different TT diamond... and the problem disappeared, and has not returned in over 10,000 rounds.
A few months later we sent a RimX with a TT Diamond single stage to a customer in Tennessee, and within 200 rounds, he too started having the exact same issue. He contacted triggertech, and they sent him a new trigger and it has been working fine since.
Another few months later, I was working with another TT Diamond single stage on a RimX 22lr... and it too began having the exact same hang-fire problems the previous failures exhibited. I replaced it with a different TT Diamond, and again... the problems disappeared.
A month or so ago, I began testing on the new 17WSM RimX and had a TT Diamond single stage on there. ...and again began having hang fires within 200 rounds. I replaced the trigger with a TT Diamond two-stage, and have fired over 1000 trouble-free rounds since. What's interesting here, is that many have thought that ignition issues such as those reported here are due to the Zermatt actions, namely the RimX, having only 170 thousandths of pin fall. (if memory serves) Well, the new 17WSM action has 250 thousandths of pin fall, and it also has a very heavy firing pin spring. This configuration is not prone to ignition problems, historically. I took a different diamond single stage that was having issues in a RimX 22lr, and installed it in the 17WSM... still same issue. Put the 2 stage that was functioning back in... and the problems vanished.
Today, I was notified by a customer that just received his brand new TS Customs RimX 22lr that his TT Diamond single stage is doing the exact same thing as described above. I fired 250 rounds through this rifle before sending it out, and it never had a single problem. Flawless. His first range trip, he fires 30 trouble free rounds, and then it starts hang firing just as described above. He's being sent a new trigger, but this is clearly becoming a serious problem.
Subsequently I've been on the phone with Zermatt and TS Customs, and have heard about many more instances of similar behavior from TT triggers in several other actions. Impact as well as Lone Peak. One guy went through 3 TT diamonds in a Lone Peak, and finally had to go to a different trigger manufacturer. Lone Peak sent a complete new bolt with complete fire control assembly, and that had no change on the issue. I've heard of the issue happening with RimX, Origin, TL3, Impact, and Lone Peak actions. I heard a report of one shooter going through 5 TT triggers, and only 2 of them did not exhibit the issue described above in his rifle. This would seem to rule out some specific design element in the actions as a cause. Especially considering a simple trigger replacement always seems to remedy the issue.
The recurring theme is that it doesn't happen right away. It takes 100-300 cycles, live or dry fire, before the issue starts showing up. Once it shows up, the behavior seems always the same. Hang fires, in which the rifle will not fire upon the initial press, but wiggling the trigger shoe or bolt will cause the sear to drop and the pin to fall.
I have not heard of a TT trigger having this problem prior to this year. However, in the last 9-10 months... this has been a recurring thing I've had to deal with personally and have heard about multiple times from multiple sources when I would inquire about the issues.
I'm basically at wits end here. I love the ease of installation/timing on the TT's. I love how they feel. I love the ease of pull weight adjustment. They are just really easy to get along with... when they work. Other triggers can be made to work in our rifles, but it requires a ton more effort to get them timed right, adjusted properly, and it's difficult to have confidence they will STAY adjusted even after we've done all that. The beauty of the TT's has always been the ability to just stick them in there and they work perfect right out of the box. However, this past year has been a nightmare. Based on conversations I've had over the last year, it doesn't seem to be an isolated problem or problems with just one type of action. ...though I would like to know if that's the case.
Have you had similar problems with a TT? If so, could you report what action the TT was attached to, and which model of TT trigger it was? Were you able to resolve the problem without replacing the trigger? If so, what did you do?
Its a small sample, but at a recent break-in session my TT 2-stage in a new RimX yielded 4 light strikes out of around 175 rds. Switching it out for a Bix-n-Andy with a lower sear to see if it replicates this weekend.
But I've never had any issues with the 4x TTs across other center fires across numerous actions (Vector, ARC x 2, Surgeon)
Why? That will give a distorted picture of problems versus good, no?Fellas I think it goes without saying that the vast majority of Triggertech owners are not experiencing any issues. If this thread is to have any value to Triggertech, it should probably be left to those that ARE having a problem.
UPDATE:
I spoke with the CEO Bryden Richardson today for 20 mins and they have figured out the issue's at hand and they have resolved them respectfully.
I will be posting here tomorrow on their behalf as per their Mr. Richardson's request. I must say that he is a total Class Act and a Complete Gentleman no doubt.
Mike R.