Troubleshooting Flyers
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This is at 100?
Barrel touching stock? Maybe only at times when loading bipod and forearm flexes?
Barrel touching stock? Maybe only at times when loading bipod and forearm flexes?
Looks like two group syndrome.
Inconsistent position probably.
Inconsistent position probably.
[B]Steel head[/B] - Two different shooters are having the same issue on the rifle. Is there something in particular we were doing wrong?
LOP and Cheek riser adjusted correctly.
We both have 3/4" or better on a Bergara B14 HMR.
Yes at 100 Yds.
Thanks
LOP and Cheek riser adjusted correctly.
We both have 3/4" or better on a Bergara B14 HMR.
Yes at 100 Yds.
Thanks
If that’s 100, it would be a huge glowing error by shooter. Bad flinch, slamming trigger, something like that.
That’s a great idea actually.
It could be action shifting.
Could be a flexing rail.
Could be something in the scope.
That said it still looks a lot like two group syndrome.
I know it well because it plagued me for a while years ago.
A flier is usually just a single outlier here or there, not grouped together.
We actually removed the factory stock to troubleshoot. This one is shown greater promise.
Check the muzzle crown closely and rub a q tip around it for burrs. Check all the scope and base screws. Lighten the trigger if you can, that always helps. A slip on limbsaver butt pad definitely helps with recoil and can help with a flinch on the trigger.
Ive had groups happen like that and in my case it was the base screws on the scope. Good Luck!
Ive had groups happen like that and in my case it was the base screws on the scope. Good Luck!
After going through everyone's suggestions and then off to the Range there was a improvement.
Groups are still at 2MOA at 100. A little better then we had before. I do thing the re torque ing was a issue.
I believe our next step is to start working with some match grade ammo.
Any suggestions for a Remington 700 308 in 24" sport barrel. 140gr has been descent.
Thanks all of you for your help.
Groups are still at 2MOA at 100. A little better then we had before. I do thing the re torque ing was a issue.
I believe our next step is to start working with some match grade ammo.
Any suggestions for a Remington 700 308 in 24" sport barrel. 140gr has been descent.
Thanks all of you for your help.
Unless it’s some bastard twist, if it won’t shoot 168 fgmm an moa or less.....and you shoot other rifles much better, I’d toss that barrel in the dumpster and start over (provided you’ve ruled out any mechanical issues).
I had a scope go bad and that kind of group was first clue. The lens knocked back and forth creating two groups. Then it finally slipped so far off it became obvious looking through it. If you can swap scopes and see what happens.
Bought some, next time I’m at the range I will let you know how it worked thanks for the advice.
If the rifle is consistently double grouping and you can confidently rule out shooter error, pressure on the barrel or a busted scope, here are a few other things to consider by way of folks far more experienced than me:
1. Barrel improperly heat treated - i.e. it's slag. Bin it, start over. Sort of a last resort if you want to keep the barrel.
2. The Action-Stock fit has got a pinch/stress point - usually not a problem with round actions...but.
3. The Action-Stock fit is sloppy - i.e. the action screws are doing the recoil log/bedding/chassis job...and poorly.
Even a rifle that's not grouping well shouldn't be consistently grouping to two distinct POI...
1. Barrel improperly heat treated - i.e. it's slag. Bin it, start over. Sort of a last resort if you want to keep the barrel.
2. The Action-Stock fit has got a pinch/stress point - usually not a problem with round actions...but.
3. The Action-Stock fit is sloppy - i.e. the action screws are doing the recoil log/bedding/chassis job...and poorly.
Even a rifle that's not grouping well shouldn't be consistently grouping to two distinct POI...
Probably your best bet is start with FGMM or some type of match grade ammunition. I noticed from reading this thread that you were shooting 140gr whitetail, basically hunting ammunition. The deviation of inconsistent fps shot to shot can show signs of double groups in my experience. Also, when shooting groups for accuracy make sure to not take your cheek weld off between shots, trust me that makes a difference in shooting groups. Goodluck'
-Reagan
Just want to add that this info right here makes this place great. Guy having an issue with off the shelf gun and guys jumping in to help him figure it out. No bashing no complaining about the gear. Just honest tips to help and similar examples.
I have nothing to add other than I enjoyed reading this and seeing people help!
I have nothing to add other than I enjoyed reading this and seeing people help!
Long overdue update.The shots were taken at 200 yards using federal gold match 168 grain ammo. As you can see the groups have much improved and we think we found the issue. We still have issues concerning the occasional flyer but I do believe that may be the shooter.
like all of us needs to continue to practice.
I would like to put out a thank you for all the shooters that provided help.
@unisuit56
So what was the issue you found?
Good to see you returned, but we need details man! Please
So what was the issue you found?
Good to see you returned, but we need details man! Please
“Good” and “hornady” should not be used in the same sentence.
first step I would recommend is try some prime, federal, unknown munitions. Stay away from hornabombs.
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