Sidearms & Scatterguns TRP 10mm won’t cycle

[TheDalmore]

Not sure if I should put this in the gunsmithing section or here, but since this is more of a rant than looking for a solution I figured here.

Just took my new Springfield TRP 6” to the range for the first time. I had hornady 180gr XTP and Underwood 200 gr flat noise hard casts. Neither would fit into the chamber far enough for the slide to close. I guess I’m going to call Springfield tomorrow to see what they plan on doing about it, but I’m wondering if anyone else has had the same problem.

 

[davsco]

any chance that's a .40s&w barrel?

 

[Soulezoo]

That's no bueno.
Looking like a new barrel.

Like someone grabbed the .40 reamer, except it's still too far out for a .40.

 

[hermosabeach]

Much nicer than an KB

I picked up a mossberg 930 and found a ring in the chamber... Manufacturing mistakes happen...

 

[dzander]

Looks like a 40 S&W would fit. Think the difference is .125"

 

[powdahound76]

Its junk.

Will give you $6.00. And I will cover shipping.



Looks like an oops with the reamer. Hard to tell without having in hand and looking it over.

 

[TheDalmore]

Its junk.

Will give you $6.00. And I will cover shipping.



Looks like an oops with the reamer. Hard to tell without having in hand and looking it over.

if you would have been at the range today you may have been in luck. Hoping I can get this all sorted without too much trouble tomorrow though.

 

[powdahound76]

Yep. It will all work out.

Either a .40 reamer (looks like more than .125 protruding to my naked eye via pics) or a faulty reamer or poor craftsman work.

Best of luck and looking forward to hearing the good news shortly!

 

[Esam]

I just had to send a EMP4 back and Springfield’s CS was quick to respond. I did it all by email.

 

[TACC]

Intetested in results as well

 

[Milo 2.5]

Is the ammo crimped enough? Does any ammo chamber, or are these the only 2 you have tried?

 

[Bigfatcock]

If the ammunition is not at fault, then I’d say the chamber is to short. Springfield will fix it. If they won’t, I’ll give you $100 for the gun.

 

[powdahound76]

Hey, I already made a reasonable offer for the scrap metal.

Back-off @Bigfatcock

Go chaff yourself while looking at Sofia Vergara pics from the Oscars......?. Again.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I’m out of tissues.

 

[TheDalmore]

Just spoke to Springfield and they quoted me a 4 week turnaround to get it back. I’m checking with the distributor to see if I can return it and then go with a dan Wesson Kodak. But to answer the other questions I tried multiple ammos and they seem to be going up the feed ramp at too steep of an angle. I originally thought the chamber was too short since the casing weren’t going in far enough, but if you drop a round into the open chamber and then drop the slide it will close. It is just feeding from a magazine that isnt working. And I tried both of the mags that came with it as well as a Wilson Combat magazine. As of right now it’s just a $2k single shot piece of crap.

 

[Downtown]

So it's not chambered too short? If you pushed that round shown in your picture with your finger, it would chamber completely?

 

[Esam]

Interesting that is my exact issue.

 

[TheDalmore]

So it's not chambered too short? If you pushed that round shown in your picture with your finger, it would chamber completely?

It was really tight so I didn’t want to start shoving it in further while I was at the range and risk damaging the chamber. I found some threads on 1911forum where some others had similar issues with this same model and had to send them in to be worked on. Ive owned several pistols from the XD line, but this is my first Springfield 1911. It’ll definitely be the last as well. I almost ordered a 9mm Ronin at the same time. Glad I held off on that. Everything is good now though. They are going to let me send this one back in and I’ll be picking up either the DW Kodak or Bruin. Trying to decide which one.

 

[TheDalmore]

Interesting that is my exact issue.

Is that a new gun? Is it every time?

 

[Esam]

Is that a new gun? Is it every time?

New gun and yes with hollow points. If I hit the back of the slide it will go in. And then have about a 50% failure rate while firing. It seems to be an extractor issue as it is super tight and practically tears a chunk out of the casing. With ball ammo it won’t feed the first round 75% of the time.

 

[TheDalmore]

New gun and yes with hollow points. If I hit the back of the slide it will go in. And then have about a 50% failure rate while firing. It seems to be an extractor issue as it is super tight and practically tears a chunk out of the casing. With ball ammo it won’t feed the first round 75% of the time.

Have you called Springfield to see about sending it in? Mine was doing this with hollow points and hard cast. But you shouldn’t have to hit the back of your slide after every shot. Sounds like they need to get their crap together and start doing some quality control.

 

[Esam]

Have you called Springfield to see about sending it in? Mine was doing this with hollow points and hard cast. But you shouldn’t have to hit the back of your slide after every shot. Sounds like they need to get their crap together and start doing some quality control.

Mine is arriving there today. I was quoted 2-4 weeks

 

[TheDalmore]

Good luck. I bought mine to hunt with and we are planning to go after some pigs later this month. If they didn’t want to try to speed things up and guarantee it faster than a month I figured this was one of those times to cut bait and get something new in.

 

[dzander]

Sounds like the chamber is a tight / undersized . Maybe the tool they finished the chamber with broke down / regardless it shouldn’t have passed quality inspection. I prett sure they will make it right if you send it back though. Not an excuse but anything manufactured can have a issue . Usually there is a spent case with the gun from test firing, at least they used to do that. Did you try cleaning the chamber out Good and try firing it again?

 

[Downtown]

I'm probably mistaken, but was there some odd state requirement for a spent case. Seems like the new guns I've bought for the last 8-10 years had a spent case included packed in a envelope with the serial number included.

 

[TheDalmore]

Sounds like the chamber is a tight / undersized . Maybe the tool they finished the chamber with broke down / regardless it shouldn’t have passed quality inspection. I prett sure they will make it right if you send it back though. Not an excuse but anything manufactured can have a issue . Usually there is a spent case with the gun from test firing, at least they used to do that. Did you try cleaning the chamber out Good and try firing it again?

I usually get the spent case, but this one didn’t have one. I’ve cleaned and lubed this thing up like I’m getting it ready for a KY wrestling match but it still won’t load from a magazine. Apparently they didn’t do any testing on this before it left the factory.

 

[davsco]

I was quoted 2-4 weeks

that's some serious crap. esp for an unfired gun. maybe they're underpromising and will overdeliver...

serious question - i thought all gun manufacturers test fired each of their guns, no?

 

[Dewey7271]

I’m sorry for your issues.
I have the same model. No issues and a great gun thus far. (Not rubbing anything in just info)

 

[Odysseus1911]

That's a shame about your TRP. Springfield usually makes a decent (assembly line) 1911. But I have yet to read a single report of an unhappy Dan Wesson owner. I think you made a good choice.

 

[Soulezoo]

I hate to say this, as I may be often the first one to criticize a bad product and QC. However, I truly believe that when you get it back functioning properly, it'll be a better weapon long term than the Wesson.

Don't get me wrong, the Wesson is a damn fine pistol and well made. But the TRP is modified in ways that make it a better long term shooter, especially with hot loads.

 

[Soulezoo]

OP, if you get it back and decide you don't want it, I'll buy it from you. For more than $6 anyway. Serious offer.

 

[TheDalmore]

OP, if you get it back and decide you don't want it, I'll buy it from you. For more than $6 anyway. Serious offer.

I won’t be getting it back. I doubt I will own any more of their 1911s after this. Kind of sucks because like I said I was planning on picking up the Ronin in 9mm really soon. This was a great feeling pistol too so it’s a shame.

 

[Esam]

that's some serious crap. esp for an unfired gun. maybe they're underpromising and will overdeliver...

serious question - i thought all gun manufacturers test fired each of their guns, no?

Sig had my 320 X5 legion for about 7 weeks so I was happy with the 2-4 quote. I have had a string of bad luck with new pistols lately.

 

[Odysseus1911]

I hate to say this, as I may be often the first one to criticize a bad product and QC. However, I truly believe that when you get it back functioning properly, it'll be a better weapon long term than the Wesson.

Don't get me wrong, the Wesson is a damn fine pistol and well made. But the TRP is modified in ways that make it a better long term shooter, especially with hot loads.

In what ways is the TRP modified that makes it a better long term shooter than the DW, hot loads or otherwise?

 

[Soulezoo]

In what ways is the TRP modified that makes it a better long term shooter than the DW, hot loads or otherwise?

Go view some YT reviews that will point it out specifically so you can see, but basically, Springfield beefed up specific stress areas that are prone to cracks over time with the hot loads. This is where the added weight of the TRP over a regular 1911 came from. In the past, Wilson slide buffers were used to mitigate this. It's not a big issue if you don't shoot a lot.
That DW is a fine piece in its own right, don't take what I wrote to be a knock on it in any way.

 

[Choid]

You can finish ream it yourself. Not hard to do. Also, it sounds to me like the extractor is probably too tight along with any other issue.

There are plenty of well built 1911s that don't like certain magazines. Even Wilsons. You are limited in 10mm, but in my experience, the CMC magazines are best in a lot of calibers.

None of that is to say don't send it back, but with 1911s you eventually have to know yourself how to fix and tune different issues or it is a losing battle. Kind of like having a classic car.

 

[Odysseus1911]

Go view some YT reviews that will point it out specifically so you can see, but basically, Springfield beefed up specific stress areas that are prone to cracks over time with the hot loads. This is where the added weight of the TRP over a regular 1911 came from. In the past, Wilson slide buffers were used to mitigate this. It's not a big issue if you don't shoot a lot.
That DW is a fine piece in its own right, don't take what I wrote to be a knock on it in any way.

I've seen the youtube reviews. Most of them don't have any idea what they're talking about. The Guns America review was probably the worst. I'm not aware of Springfield ever releasing any information about specifically where the frame was "beefed up" or by how many thousandths. Most people familiar with previous iterations of the TRP concluded that they just took the railed TRP they already offered, machined the rail smooth (leaving that portion of the frame thicker) and dropped a 10mm barrel in -no special engineering for 10mm. None of that means it isn't a decent gun (when you don't get a lemon), but all the stuff about engineering beefier frames to prevent stress cracks is purely Springfield marketing.

Colt Delta Elites and other early 10mms did indeed suffer from stress fractures, frame failures, etc. But practically every 1911 manufacturer makes a 10mm now days -none of them but the Springfield claim to be specially beefed up and none of them are cracking or failing. Why? Better machining and better heat treating.

 

[TheDalmore]

Got my replacement in for the TRP. Definitely should have gone this route from the start. Appreciate all the feedback and suggestions.

 

[flyer]

As far as I know, all Springfield 1911s use induction hardened Imbel frames.

Beside the failure to feed, that frame and 10mm is not a great combo.

If you know the ammo to be used and match the recoil spring, main spring and firing pin retainer, you can make a 10mm 1911 that won't batter the frame but you still have the cut in the frame for the slide stop which is the weak spot where cracks form.

A forged 4140 steel frame would be better but again it still has the slide stop cut.

As much as I like 1911s, for 10mm I think a large frame Glock is the way to go.

 

[clcustom1911]

Springfield customer service is top notch. They say 4 weeks, but it will likely be more more than 2. Just send it on with a detailed letter explaining the issue. They'll get you fixed up.

 

[Esam]

Springfield customer service is top notch. They say 4 weeks, but it will likely be more more than 2. Just send it on with a detailed letter explaining the issue. They'll get you fixed up.

Hopefully mine is at 17 days since it was signed for at the factory.

 

[TheDalmore]

Springfield customer service is top notch. They say 4 weeks, but it will likely be more more than 2. Just send it on with a detailed letter explaining the issue. They'll get you fixed up.

The TRP has already been returned and replaced by the Kodiak.