Trump tariff on mexican imports until illegal immigrantion stops

[Mwalex]

Most trade deals are made among and between allies....too think that allies are not used in trade discussions and negotiations is rather a simplistic thought....of course allies may have differing interests but that is part of a process......agreements are not always just between two parties....TPP, NAFTA, etc. etc....

You just don't get how this works. Trade deals can be done between two countries that are allies, of course, BUT give me ONE example of a situation where two countries are at a stalemate, like the US and China currently are, AND an ally joined the discussion as being a third party and worked out a multilateral trade agreement between all three.

We might have different definitions for "ally".

 

[Rthur]

Small ball thinking....the US remains the greatest economic and strategic power on earth....it will continue....as long as we have the freedom to innovate and create....importing cheap goods allows us to improve our standard of living...just ask Walmart shoppers how much they like the cheap goods....

Lol
You've a rose colored glasses syndrome concerning China.
Review the following and consider the end game:

Cheap shit from China died a while back.
Walmart isn't a good choice to strengthen your argument.


R

 

[SIlabs]

You just don't get how this works. Trade deals can be done between two countries that are allies, of course, BUT give me ONE example of a situation where two countries are at a stalemate, like the US and China currently are, AND an ally joined the discussion as being a third party and worked out a multilateral trade agreement between all three.

We might have different definitions for "ally".

You are missing the point.....I am going to use nice round numbers to make a point....let say the US imports $500 billion from China...while the EU, Japan, Canada, etc. import at least $500 billion more....further, Chinese trade practices have a negative impact on fair and free trade among these allied countries - these other countries along with the US built most of the worlds economy since WWII, members of NATO, etc. If I walked into negotiations with like minded people that represented more than 1x more than I buy from China...the ability to put pressure increases dramatically. If you are going to start a war or trade war in this day and age, it's better to have more leverage than less...

You have your opinion and I have mine....we obviously disagree and that's ok....have a great day!

 

[SIlabs]

Lol
You've a rose colored glasses syndrome concerning China.
Review the following and consider the end game:
View attachment 7087264
Cheap shit from China died a while back.
Walmart isn't a good choice to strengthen your argument.


R

You need to do better than just posting a chart....

 

[Maggot]

Same mindset that lead to punishing those who would stand up against the bully/for the weak.
Ignoring a bully isn't a sound strategy.

R

This is not the school yard. We're all, or most of us are, grown men quite capable of taking care of ourselves. I welcome differing views, as long as they are presented in a reasonable and respectful fashion. You never know where you might learn a new trick.

 

[wade2big]

How in the world do you conclude that I support open borders? I’m saying that it’s literally impossible for Mexico to stop all illegal immigration from Mexico. The US can’t do it. How is Mexico supposed to do it? And the escalating tariff isn’t imposed conditioned on Mexico making an effort or stopping caravans. It’s an openly unreasonable terminating condition. That doesn’t make me an open borders advocate. I’ll tell you what I do think, and that’s the only way to hold a piece of land is to put a man on it. Vastly increasing the number of border patrol agents would be effective and it’s a job creator. Walls and tariffs aren’t going to get it done. They are empty gestures aimed at continuing the problem so the politicians can continue to leverage it for reelection.

1. Creating government jobs is not creating jobs. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

2. Walls and tariffs wont get it done but machine guns on the border will. No medical aid to illegals in the country will. Fines to employers who hire illegals will. No anchor baby law will. No government assistance will. No amnesty to illegals already here will. If they cant eat, work, or receive medical attention, they will leave.

 

[Rthur]

You need to do better than just posting a chart....

I thought I'd try the "crayon" version first.
As China increases it's GDP by the above trade practices it also increases it's military budget.
A good side effect for China while they are maunufacturing "in house" is the theft
of intellectual property they'll not have to invest billions into achieving.
See South China sea for the uses of this increased projection of desires.

Deflection on the other points isn't going to work.

R

 

[Mwalex]

You are missing the point.....I am going to use nice round numbers to make a point....let say the US imports $500 billion from China...while the EU, Japan, Canada, etc. import at least $500 billion more....further, Chinese trade practices have a negative impact on fair and free trade among these allied countries - these other countries along with the US built most of the worlds economy since WWII, members of NATO, etc. If I walked into negotiations with like minded people that represented more than 1x more than I buy from China...the ability to put pressure increases dramatically. If you are going to start a war or trade war in this day and age, it's better to have more leverage than less...

You have your opinion and I have mine....we obviously disagree and that's ok....have a great day!

Your example is fine but you did not answer my question. Give me ONE example where your scenario has EVER been done. Just because you think this is an ideal way of doing business does not mean that anyone else does. Again, provide an example of where this has worked. It is not a differing opinion - your position is based on some ideal fantasy that no one else in the entire world seems to think will work. Who knows, maybe you are a visionary.

 

[Rthur]

This is not the school yard. We're all, or most of us are, grown men quite capable of taking care of ourselves. I welcome differing views, as long as they are presented in a reasonable and respectful fashion. You never know where you might learn a new trick.

Infact it is more like the school yard than most will admit.
You know how many times I've been under the ban hammer?

R

 

[Maggot]

Infact it is more like the school yard than most will admit.
You know how many times I've been under the ban hammer?

R

LOL, not nearly as often as me...or would that be 'I'? Remember, I was founding member and president of the Snipers Hide baned for a year club.

 

[Foul Mike]

I am retired and OLD but shoot some at 1000 yds and beyond, like several times a week because I have little else to do
My partner in crime, who I shoot with is much better schooled as to making calls for correction than me and he is OLD also.

Maybe we could go South and shoot a few "Movers""Targets." as we both like the Sun and warm weather.

My friend, partner in crime, has no experience at hitting living things, but I do. so I would want to make the shots, if nothing else to keep his mind free of shooting someone. I respect that.

For me it would be more fun than Whittington and at this point in my life, I have ZERO FUCKS to give.

Regards, FM

 

[Rthur]

I am retired and OLD but shoot some at 1000 yds and beyond, like several times a week because I have little else to do
My partner in crime, who I shoot with is much better schooled as to making calls for correction than me and he is OLD also.

Maybe we could go South and shoot a few "Movers""Targets." as we both like the Sun and warm weather.

My friend, partner in crime, has no experience at hitting living things, but I do. so I would want to make the shots, if nothing else to keep his mind free of shooting someone. I respect that.

For me it would be more fun than Whittington and at this point in my life, I have ZERO FUCKS to give.

Regards, FM

While a perfectly reasonable solution to this quandary, gov would come at you with both barrels.
They like to keep a monopoly on the what's "right" business.

R

 

[ArmyJerry]

Learn how to capitalize, you dumass

learn how to spell or type...

 

[Mr.BR]

I thought I'd try the "crayon" version first.
As China increases it's GDP by the above trade practices it also increases it's military budget.
A good side effect for China while they are maunufacturing "in house" is the theft
of intellectual property they'll not have to invest billions into achieving.
See South China sea for the uses of this increased projection of desires.

Deflection on the other points isn't going to work.

R

Sooner than later Chinese will take lead in certains fields by own inovation ,till then IP theft is a short cut to that goal

Apple taught they were king of the hill with their over priced chicom crap now Samsung and Huawei are in some cases already ahead and Apple is more or less giving up the fight and trying to reorient .
Brits used to talk smack on how Japanese copied their stuff and made bad copies of their cars and motorbikes , now Brits can only ogle Japanese tech.
German car manufacturers used to spy on US manufacturers as late as late 80's , now days US car tech is generaly decade behind Euro or Japanese manufacturing. US cars are utterly uncompetitve on world markets.
Germans and French used to be kings of the hill in high speed rail ,now chinese that built upon German tech buid more high speed rail than any one else. To add to the insult , Germans at present import high speed train wheels from china to use on their trains.
Shipbuilding Italians are the only real high end builder left outside Korea and China. Also much of the big ship building cranes are chinese even those used in US to build and service USN ships.


Lets just say there are factors besides the obvious ,numbers, that show there is plenty more potential in Asia than in the ''old world''. Especialy now that we are all shooting ourselves in the leg by importing uneducated , du*b folks from various third world shitholes because some libtards think that multikulti is they way to go .

 

[Fig]

For whatever reason you misunderstand how crushing and stifling communism is in reality and not in the classroom. It utterly destroys creativity and the human spirit. It’s tangible evil.

 

[mardad]

no they get fat

My wife is meskin?????????

 

[ArmyJerry]

those are Ameicans taking those tests. Has nothing to do with China.

Sooner than later Chinese will take lead in certains fields by own inovation ,till then IP theft is a short cut to that goal

Apple taught they were king of the hill with their over priced chicom crap now Samsung and Huawei are in some cases already ahead and Apple is more or less giving up the fight and trying to reorient .
Brits used to talk smack on how Japanese copied their stuff and made bad copies of their cars and motorbikes , now Brits can only ogle Japanese tech.
German car manufacturers used to spy on US manufacturers as late as late 80's , now days US car tech is generaly decade behind Euro or Japanese manufacturing. US cars are utterly uncompetitve on world markets.
Germans and French used to be kings of the hill in high speed rail ,now chinese that built upon German tech buid more high speed rail than any one else. To add to the insult , Germans at present import high speed train wheels from china to use on their trains.
Shipbuilding Italians are the only real high end builder left ouside Korea and China. In conection much of the big shippbuilding cranes are chinese even those used in US to build and service USN ships.


Lets just say there are factors besides the obvious ,numbers, that show there is plenty more potential in Asia than in the ''old world''. Especialy now that we are all shooting ourselves in the leg by importing uneducated , du*b folks from various third world shitholes because some libtards think that multikulti is they way to go .

 

[ArmyJerry]

JUarez, Mexico City??? Where is she living?

My wife is meskin?????????

 

[mardad]

JUarez, Mexico City??? Where is she living?

Nope..... just got fat.

 

[ArmyJerry]

ah
welcome to the club my friend

 

[Mr.BR]

For whatever reason you misunderstand how crushing and stifling communism is in reality and not in the classroom. It utterly destroys creativity and the human spirit. It’s tangible evil.

Spare us the bulshit , you don't know anything of Communism .

Chinese ruling party might be named Communist but Chinese live in turbo captalist dog eat dog society that doesnt even pretend to be communist in the way it works .

those are Ameicans taking those tests. Has nothing to do with China.

I know its US SATs , but you think it unrelated ? think again. There are politicaly not correct reasons for why certain parts of the world will stay third world shitholes and why some progress above and beyond others.

'' Asian students outscore white students on the SAT by 100 points; they outscore blacks by 277 points. It is not Asian families’ economic capital that vaults them to the top of the academic totem pole; it is their emphasis on scholarly effort and self-discipline. Every year in New York City, Asian elementary school students vastly outperform every other racial and ethnic group on the admissions test for the city’s competitive public high schools, even though a disproportionate number of them come from poor immigrant families. ''

 

[ArmyJerry]

Meh my wife is asian. She married me. Nuff said.

 

[Erno86]

We are gonna have to get much worse than them to cure them. Eventually.

Another lesson in hate...

 

[Fig]

Spare us YOUR bullshit. It they’re so superior and amazing why do they have to steal everything? Where are all the Chinese leaps and progress? Just name three, and how they’re changing the world. If it’s stolen and they make it with slave labor it doesn’t count.

They’ll be communist till they’re not. Who do you think owns all the Chinese industry...moron (since we’re trading insults)? It’s the communist party leadership, and this has not been secret since the beginning.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Yup. You should buy more ammo. Buy the good stuff. FGMM, 175 gr 308,,, it will be appreciated by the person that takes it from you once the fuse stops burning. No cheap stuff, except the green tips they can be cheap but make sure to buy a lot okay...

Another lesson in hate...

 

[jimdog708]

Tariff the fuck out of them. Use the money to build a big beautiful wall and catapults.

 

[Mr.BR]

Spare us YOUR bullshit. It they’re so superior and amazing why do they have to steal everything? Where are all the Chinese leaps and progress? Just name three, and how they’re changing the world. If it’s stolen and they make it with slave labor it doesn’t count.

They’ll be communist till they’re not. Who do you think owns all the Chinese industry...moron (since we’re trading insults)? It’s the communist party leadership, and this has not been secret since the beginning.

Like said you do not know anything about Communism .
I guess China is not rapidly catching up ?

Fact that there are more than 100 billionaires in the upper echelons of Chinese leadership should tell you something

Todays China is capitalist society, but a kind of party-led capitalism with a state-regulated market. Dominated by tycoons and state monopolies.You could term it state-directed capitalism, wealth inequality trough the roof, worker exploitation common practice. Its the kind of the political-economic system Marx and Engels called to overthrow in 1848 Communist Manifesto.
So no they are not even remotely communist in anything but the name of the Rulling Party. So Commie chliches people like to throw around are not realy aplicable much.

Chinese they are closer to capitalism of 1900 pre WW1 than any form of Communism

 

[Redmanss]

What part of Trump's inaugural speech didn't some of you understand?

 

[308pirate]

Spare us the bulshit , you don't know anything of Communism .

Chinese ruling party might be named Communist but Chinese live in turbo captalist dog eat dog society that doesnt even pretend to be communist in the way it works .


I know its US SATs , but you think it unrelated ? think again. There are politicaly not correct reasons for why certain parts of the world will stay third world shitholes and why some progress above and beyond others.

'' Asian students outscore white students on the SAT by 100 points; they outscore blacks by 277 points. It is not Asian families’ economic capital that vaults them to the top of the academic totem pole; it is their emphasis on scholarly effort and self-discipline. Every year in New York City, Asian elementary school students vastly outperform every other racial and ethnic group on the admissions test for the city’s competitive public high schools, even though a disproportionate number of them come from poor immigrant families. ''

This guy is either a Chinese or Russian troll. Certain patterns in your written English give you away.

 

[ArmyJerry]

How much time have you spent in china and where did you spend it?

Like said you do not know anything about Communism .
I guess China is not rapidly catching up ?

Fact that there are more than 100 billionaires in the upper echelons of Chinese leadership should tell you something

Todays China is capitalist society, but a kind of party-led capitalism with a state-regulated market. Dominated by tycoons and state monopolies.You could term it state-directed capitalism, wealth inequality trough the roof, worker exploitation common practice. Its the kind of the political-economic system Marx and Engels called to overthrow in 1848 Communist Manifesto.
So no they are not even remotely communist in anything but the name of the Rulling Party. So Commie chliches people like to throw around are not realy aplicable much.

Chinese they are closer to capitalism of 1900 pre WW1 than any form of Communism

 

[Dewey7271]

Here you go, BR.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/the-countries-with-the-largest-number-of-billionaires.html
U.S. billionaires wealth greater than the next 8 countries COMBINED. Yessir, one of those 8 is China. Numbers appear to be your thing so here goes. Roughly 327 million population in the U.S. Roughly 1.41 billion in China. I like our billionaire ratio over theirs.
Next, if you’re going to pontificate and lecture, for crying out loud learn to spell or at least turn on autocorrect. Reading your epistles is hard enough but the misspelling gives me a headache.

Edit: I’ve been to China. A few times. Since you seem to admire it so much, you can have it.

 

[pmclaine]

You can tell youself that , you havent seen regulation or Unions till you come to Europe .

In some cases like car industry , manufacturers just dozed off and became totaly uncompetitive . Same happened to many other industries.

How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much

A BMW assembly plant in Leipzig, Germany. In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany's [...]

www.forbes.com

Apple and other tech giants probably needed Foxcon factories for the unions and regulations .

I understand the reasoning for paying the premium for made in US , but wast majority of consumers will continue to buy bargain stuff no mater where is made. And the well monied folks will continue to buy expensive imports . Cheap imports do improve standard for the not to well monied folks.

Europe has high tarrifs to protect its shit and the EU to tell "sovereign" countries what they can or cant do so as to take from the haves and give to the have nots. Britain want to fish your waters? Cant do it the Danes are apointed that area of your territory.

Yes Germany pays its workers so much to feed the ponzi scheme that is their socialist system. All fun and games until the music stops and the money runs out. All good for Germany right now because it leads the EU as greater Germania. Hitler would be so happy.

Once upon a time a guy doing piece work in a factory could know that his child was going to have a better life because of the good work he did. Not so any more because those good jobs are gone and our education system no longer trains kids to be productive workers just SJW robots.

 

[Bender]

In case anyone doubts my standing on the subject.


Fuck Commies.

May they all catch my gifts of high speed copper/lead.

I have a few to offer.

 

[Codiekfx400]

We should send them one convict for every illegal that comes to America. Loose butt holes and all send em. ?

 

[Spblademaker]

no they get fat

Toss them when they do. Just like in real life.

 

[Fig]

Like said you do not know anything about Communism .
I guess China is not rapidly catching up ?

Fact that there are more than 100 billionaires in the upper echelons of Chinese leadership should tell you something

Todays China is capitalist society, but a kind of party-led capitalism with a state-regulated market. Dominated by tycoons and state monopolies.You could term it state-directed capitalism, wealth inequality trough the roof, worker exploitation common practice. Its the kind of the political-economic system Marx and Engels called to overthrow in 1848 Communist Manifesto.
So no they are not even remotely communist in anything but the name of the Rulling Party. So Commie chliches people like to throw around are not realy aplicable much.

Chinese they are closer to capitalism of 1900 pre WW1 than any form of Communism

You really are a fucking idiot who knows nothing of the world. Give one fucking example of a real marxist society, professor. You can’t, because there never has been, and never will be one. It’s total bullshit just like socialism and all it’s variants. All it EVER does is transfer wealth from the people to the the ruling political party EXACTLY like it did in Russia and is doing in China.

I’m not surprised a leftist moron like you doesn’t understand how that’s different from an actual capitalist society with liberty and economic/social mobility where innovation and creativity are rewarded.

They will NEVER innovate or do anything but steal, because all leftist ideology is justification for stealing. At heart you’re all worthless thieves. It’s the basis of your ideology.

 

[Rthur]

You are missing the point.....I am going to use nice round numbers to make a point....let say the US imports $500 billion from China...while the EU, Japan, Canada, etc. import at least $500 billion more....further, Chinese trade practices have a negative impact on fair and free trade among these allied countries - these other countries along with the US built most of the worlds economy since WWII, members of NATO, etc. If I walked into negotiations with like minded people that represented more than 1x more than I buy from China...the ability to put pressure increases dramatically. If you are going to start a war or trade war in this day and age, it's better to have more leverage than less...

You have your opinion and I have mine....we obviously disagree and that's ok....have a great day!

Here is an example of what our "nato allies" do for the "group":

Another important "fact" you've left out is if the EU will "allow" them to engage in sanctions.
They are currently playing orange man bad.

R

 

[pmclaine]

You really are a fucking idiot who knows nothing of the world. Give one fucking example of a real marxist society, professor.

Liz Warren.

 

[Faronth]

I live a little over an hour from the border. Trust me; we don’t want Mexico. Lots of very nice people, but also some real shitbags. What we need is a damn WALL and then defend that wall with our Military. If you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country. If we don’t stop this invasion soon the US, as we know it, will disappear.

As one who lives a little under an hour from the border I say Desert Raven speaks the truth.

 

[Faronth]

How in the world do you conclude that I support open borders? I’m saying that it’s literally impossible for Mexico to stop all illegal immigration from Mexico.

You don’t need to stop ALL immigration to be effective. The US can achieve the desired result at interdiction rates of 99%, 95% even 90% would work. The flow just has to be reduced to a manageable level. It is only a matter of national will to accomplish the task.

I’ll tell you what I do think, and that’s the only way to hold a piece of land is to put a man on it. Vastly increasing the number of border patrol agents would be effective and it’s a job creator. Walls and tariffs aren’t going to get it done. They are empty gestures aimed at continuing the problem so the politicians can continue to leverage it for reelection.

Putting a lot of manpower all along the border is one way to accomplish the goal but not very efficient. Not to mention the next time a democrat wanting to import more votes is elected the border patrol agents will disappear from the border as fast as an Arizona snowflake in July. Physical barriers are a force multiplier as is an appropriate application of technology. A physical barrier system will not be torn down by a democrat president. Best they could do is starve the budget for agents monitoring the wall.

Of course all this is made monumentally more difficult by stupid laws granting rights any person illegally steeping foot on US soil. That is the draw that has to be shut down. Not legal? In the US?? Then no rights, no welfare, no nothing but a quick trip back where you came from. That and tack on a prison term if you are caught here illegally again to be served before you are immediately deported… back where you came from.

I would like to see a reformed legal immigration system based upon what an immigrant has to offer to the US. Merit based. Have family already in the US??? So what, they can go visit you where you came from. What do you have to offer to this country in order for legal admittance??? Don’t care what you look like, what your religion is as long as you have something to offer and are not dedicated to principles antithetical to US citizenship. Commies, jihadis, nazis, and anarchists need not apply. We have no use for you here.

Give bonus on admittance if you are a big 2A supporter and enjoy legal shooting sports…

 

[pewpewfever]

Take it from me. You’re not truly free until you have face tattoos.

 

[wade2big]

You don’t need to stop ALL immigration to be effective. The US can achieve the desired result at interdiction rates of 99%, 95% even 90% would work. The flow just has to be reduced to a manageable level. It is only a matter of national will to accomplish the task.



Putting a lot of manpower all along the border is one way to accomplish the goal but not very efficient. Not to mention the next time a democrat wanting to import more votes is elected the border patrol agents will disappear from the border as fast as an Arizona snowflake in July. Physical barriers are a force multiplier as is an appropriate application of technology. A physical barrier system will not be torn down by a democrat president. Best they could do is starve the budget for agents monitoring the wall.

Of course all this is made monumentally more difficult by stupid laws granting rights any person illegally steeping foot on US soil. That is the draw that has to be shut down. Not legal? In the US?? Then no rights, no welfare, no nothing but a quick trip back where you came from. That and tack on a prison term if you are caught here illegally again to be served before you are immediately deported… back where you came from.

I would like to see a reformed legal immigration system based upon what an immigrant has to offer to the US. Merit based. Have family already in the US??? So what, they can go visit you where you came from. What do you have to offer to this country in order for legal admittance??? Don’t care what you look like, what your religion is as long as you have something to offer and are not dedicated to principles antithetical to US citizenship. Commies, jihadis, nazis, and anarchists need not apply. We have no use for you here.

Give bonus on admittance if you are a big 2A supporter and enjoy legal shooting sports…

Im much more against immigration than you. I live and work near the Texas border. Shut immigration down completely. Legal and illegal at any cost. Lets not stop there though. We can even multi-task. Purge the country of Progressives as well. Do these two things and the United States will remain #1 and grow stronger by the day. Dont do these things and well......you can see what’s happining.

 

[Veer_G]

You really are a fucking idiot who knows nothing of the world. Give one fucking example of a real marxist society, professor. You can’t, because there never has been, and never will be one. It’s total bullshit just like socialism and all it’s variants. All it EVER does is transfer wealth from the people to the the ruling political party EXACTLY like it did in Russia and is doing in China.

I’m not surprised a leftist moron like you doesn’t understand how that’s different from an actual capitalist society with liberty and economic/social mobility where innovation and creativity are rewarded.

They will NEVER innovate or do anything but steal, because all leftist ideology is justification for stealing. At heart you’re all worthless thieves. It’s the basis of your ideology.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

The problems on our Southern Border have been deliberately and systematically instigated by the leftist politicians, Democrats and Republicans alike, in a blatant political power play.

I think those politicians should be facing some sort of criminal penalty for that. But they are legally insulated from such consequences. That simple fact such is true is clear and obvious evidence of bipartisan corruption.

Nobody is above consequences for malfeasance in office.

If the law won't handle it, who will?

 

[pmclaine]

Spare us the bulshit , you don't know anything of Communism .

Chinese ruling party might be named Communist but Chinese live in turbo captalist dog eat dog society that doesnt even pretend to be communist in the way it works .


I know its US SATs , but you think it unrelated ? think again. There are politicaly not correct reasons for why certain parts of the world will stay third world shitholes and why some progress above and beyond others.

'' Asian students outscore white students on the SAT by 100 points; they outscore blacks by 277 points. It is not Asian families’ economic capital that vaults them to the top of the academic totem pole; it is their emphasis on scholarly effort and self-discipline. Every year in New York City, Asian elementary school students vastly outperform every other racial and ethnic group on the admissions test for the city’s competitive public high schools, even though a disproportionate number of them come from poor immigrant families. ''

Lived in Moscow circa 1988. Communism was stupid. People buying shoes they didnt need to trade for goods they did need. Two lines to buy something...pay to get a slip, take the slip to another line to get your product - have to make those jobs....

Those SATs scores mean shit now that our govt is dumbing down the SAT. They have been doing it for a decade now. Soon we will have your social justice curve that will cut down the achieving identity types and "raise" the non achieving political identities.

We are killing the goose that lays the golden egg from the inside.

Why?

Because socialist communist fucks have gotten into the tent just as McCarthy warned so many years ago.

 

[pmclaine]

Take it from me. You’re not truly free until you have face tattoos.

Okay where does one get these "facials"?

 

[quietmike]

Todays China is capitalist society, but a kind of party-led capitalism with a state-regulated market.

By definition, capitalism is not "led".

 

[pmclaine]

By definition, capitalism is not "led".

Yes capitalism with....a 5 year plan, state ownership of any real production that matters, party membership for any "entrepreneurs" that actually have a novel idea,

brings to mind that lipstick on a pig saying.

 

[Faronth]

Im much more against immigration than you. I live and work near the Texas border. Shut immigration down completely. Legal and illegal at any cost. Lets not stop there though. We can even multi-task. Purge the country of Progressives as well. Do these two things and the United States will remain #1 and grow stronger by the day. Dont do these things and well......you can see what’s happining.

You may well be more against immigration then I but I wanted to clarify part of my post that I evidently did a very poor job composing.

When I said you don’t need to stop all illegal immigration to be effective, I was trying to describe a situation where if people know ahead of time that 99%, 95%, or even 90% are caught and immediately sent back it will be a huge deterrent from even trying. Whatever percentage left still attempting to illegally enter and stay will be all the easier to deal with, aka manage, aka track down and deport.

I have no use for progressives either. The term progressive is merely a euphemism thought up by socialists because socialist were seen in this country to be the bankrupt system that it is. A fact unknown to 99% of self-identified progressives. If you can figure out a way to keep um out, I am all for it.

 

[diverdon]

We finally have a president who is willing to stand up to China and Mexico. Trump’s tariffs are well justified.