Rifle Scopes try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

[fastford]

ordered one of the pof creedmoors off the group buy. Need alittle help decideing which one to put on it, I cant decide!

 

[CSTactical]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

They are both great scopes so it will be hard to go wrong with ether one. I have run a S&B 4-16x42mm for years and love it. I just started running a Hensoldt 4-16x56mm and I'm really like it also. Both have very glass. I have noticed that the Hensoldt has a faster target acquisition.

Mike @ CS TACTICAL.com

 

[bm11]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

The new Bender is of a newer generation and perhaps will be more clear than others of an older design. The magnification range is more versatile as well.

 

[Texar2]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Is the 3x20 available yet?

 

[paulyosh]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

No. Last I heard was September/October...

 

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I thought this was a thread about crossbreeding horses and donkeys.

 

[Opticsspecialist]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

the 3-20's will start shipping in october, my bet is they will be hard to get until for a few months.

can't go wrong either way, i lean hensoldt myself.

 

[jasonk]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

HENSOLDT!!

 

[Rob01]

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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">SCHMIDT & BENDER!!!!</span>

 

[RayDBonz]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Get two - the Schmidt and the Bender!

 

[Glen Seekins]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I like the reticle on the SB better myslef and a few other things on the scope. The hensolt looked nice, but i would stick with SB. Now, if one of these companies could make a light(er) weight 4-16x50 i would have it..

 

[deadly0311]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50.

 

[jasonk]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50.</div></div>

This is the reason I bought my first Hensoldt and then the glass is why I bought the other(s).

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50. </div></div>

Speak American, boy.... Who measures in Grams???

 

[teknikallysekure]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50. </div></div>

Speak American, boy.... Who measures in Grams??? </div></div>

SCIENCE

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50. </div></div>

Speak American, boy.... Who measures in Grams??? </div></div>

SCIENCE </div></div>

LOL!

the 3-12x56 FFP Hensoldt is an awesome scope and the clarity made the extra magnification unecessary. If you're thinking of the 4-16 then at least give it a consideration also as you'll probably see it'll do all you want it to do and will save you a couple hundred bucks - IMHO.

 

[vpexp]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

for the non-scientists among us 33 grams is about 1.1 ounce

 

[Rob01]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

1.1 ounces on a 16+lbs rifle isn't even worth thinking about. Hell I run a 5-25 on my match rifle without a problem.

You guys are acting like the S&B is a Barska when you talk about the glass LOL Both scopes have excellent glass. The reticle and knobs would be my reasoning for going with the S&B.

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Barska hater...

 

[teknikallysekure]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barska hater... </div></div>

hahahahaha

Yeah this reminds me all to much of bicycle forums I frequent dudes flippin wigs on saving 5 grams on a seatpost

I understand taking every advantage you can get, but 3 grams = occaisonally working out.

 

[DesertMonkey]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">Hensoldt</span></span> is my choice!!!

Cheers,
LS

 

[Platypus]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

HENSOLDT! Mainly because it is the best scope ever and if you don't get one no one will think your cool.

Alright on a serious note scopes have come a long way in the past ten years and quality of construction and features is simply amazing. Weigh the features you want with what is available and spend your money wisely. I personally like the Hensoldt as the glass is incredible, tracking is without question, and durability is amazing.

 

[BFD711]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Is the Klein and H2CMR just a hair thinner than the P4F or am I misreading the reticle schematics?

 

[CoCaDoRi]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

No one has touched on my reasoning for going to Hens...well some on sorta did... S&B's Illumination knob. They really need to re design that part of their system. I heard that the new ones are on the parallax turret but the photo's above say different.

The eye relief on the hens is substantial as well. In my opinion very well suited to an AR type platform. Low light ability ... hens gets the edge there too. Glass is tit for tat. The size of the Hens is almost unbelievable. Very compact powerful little package.

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

To me the S&B only has one thing over the Hensoldt and that's reticle choices. After using both multiple times, I prefer the features of the Hensoldt myself. It's only the mildot reticle that holds them back IMO, but if your OK with a MD, then Hensoldt would be my suggestion.

 

[bm11]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Don't forget the zero stop on the S&B and not on the Hensoldt! Though to be fair on a turret that gets you to 1000 without even turning it once, you don't really NEED a zero stop.

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Zero stop is the new optics buzz word... 11 mils of elevation on a turret, and a distinctive marking system when you come off the first rev negate the need on the Hensoldt, yet enevitably, people will still want it.

 

[Rob01]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Zero stop is not a new buzz word. It's a usable feature. Even with the 14 mils per turn and pop up showing you are on the second rev of the S&B knob, the zero stop is nice to have.

 

[CoCaDoRi]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I'll say that the Zero stop is a usable feature. Although it is something I can take or leave. It isn't a deal breaker for me. It is a new marketing ploy however.

I think the Hens because of the eye relief is a better system for the AR type platforms.

 

[Advokaten]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hensoldt 4-16x56 is 33 grams lighter and over 2 inches shorter than the comparable SB 4-16x50. </div></div>

Speak American, boy.... Who measures in Grams??? </div></div>

Grams and Inches, that´s just plain wrong, the scope is 33 grams lighter and more than 5 centimeters shorter,

by the way this one is mine.

I sort of like it.

/Chris

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Usable, yes. Necessaity, no. If you're using this scope in a professional function where you are in the field I can see a ZS being a nice addition, but for the average recreational tac shooter, I think it's just another thing on a scope.

I think the ZS craze really hit with the NXS scopes, with 5 mild per rev and a crappy indicator system, it's very nice to have on my NF scope, but on the Henny or S&B, I don't feel the need to "have" it.

Then again, I don't shoot at people with my rifle, so this is a strictly sportsman's perspective.

 

[427Cobra]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I gotta give the nod to the Hensoldt, but really either is a great choice

 

[bm11]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Usable, yes. Necessaity, no. If you're using this scope in a professional function where you are in the field I can see a ZS being a nice addition, but for the average recreational tac shooter, I think it's just another thing on a scope.

I think the ZS craze really hit with the NXS scopes, with 5 mild per rev and a crappy indicator system, it's very nice to have on my NF scope, but on the Henny or S&B, I don't feel the need to "have" it.

Then again, I don't shoot at people with my rifle, so this is a strictly sportsman's perspective. </div></div>I'll agree with this, despite be being the one to bring it up.

My gripe is this- as much as it isn't "needed," it is nice to have, and if you are paying close to $3500 for the scope, shouldn't it have everything the cheaper scope has plus more?

 

[nhunt003]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Zero Stops are not needed on a 2 revolution elevation knob. If you feel that you may get lost on a 2 rev knob this game isnt for you. If you must have it, put a little forethought into the incline of your mounting system and there you go.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The reticle and knobs would be my reasoning for going with the S&B.</div></div>...and all this time I thought it was that sponsorship agreement...

 

[Rob01]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Nope Ron. I have been using a S&B for some time now. Years before getting sponsored by them about 6 months ago. Nice try though. Don't be jealous.

 

[9mmkungfu]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

Hensoldt. Although I am curious to see the new S&B.

 

[bm11]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ron Burgundy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zero Stops are not needed on a 2 revolution elevation knob. If you feel that you may get lost on a 2 rev knob this game isnt for you. If you must have it, put a little forethought into the incline of your mounting system and there you go.
</div></div>For me it isn't needed at all, but if a real world operator were using this very expensive scope in the dark, the zero stop would certainly be something nice to have.

 

[JRose]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> if a real world operator were using this very expensive scope in the dark, the zero stop would certainly be something nice to have. </div></div>

Exactly.

 

[RayDBonz]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cacodor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one has touched on my reasoning for going to Hens...well some on sorta did... S&B's Illumination knob. They really need to re design that part of their system. I heard that the new ones are on the parallax turret but the photo's above say different. </div></div>

The illumination knob is the thing I liked the LEAST about the Hensoldt! Sure, the location is nice, but the implementation just plain sucks! With no defined 'off' position and a freely rotating knob it's just silly. The first time I put my rifle in a drag bag, the knob got bumped and next thing I know, the battery is dead. I never use the illuminated reticle, but if you needed it, it would be a big surprise to find a dead battery!

And yes, the Hensoldt has better eye relief - 89mm instead of 85mm. Um, OK.

Both are great scopes at the absolute top of the heap. Get the one with the features you like and don't look back.

 

[bm11]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

What's wrong with the illumination knob on the bender? I don't have a problem with mine.

 

[HuDisCo]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The illumination knob is the thing I liked the LEAST about the Hensoldt!</div></div>

Saw your post here: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1950377

Wish you would have called. We would have been glad to talk you through the operation of it.

The illumination system is pretty different from everything else out there.

Hensoldt scopes used to utilize a simple push/pull knob that had a rheostat for brightness adjustment. This was almost identical to the system used in the sport optics line of scopes.

The scopes are nitrogen purged and have a positive pressure at sea level. This has many benefits when it comes to waterproofing standards, etc.. This pressure differential is exaggerated at altitude; whether this be high altitude missions or flights in non-pressurized aircraft cabins. Under these circumstances, it was noticed that the internal pressure could push out on the illumination knob causing it to activate, running down the battery.

So, a new microprocessor controlled system was developed that eliminated the "pull out" portion of the activation. So it now activates with a rapid twist and comes on at the last used brightness setting. From there it is infinitely variable including night vision compatibility for look through (i.e. pvs-14, etc.) systems. The illumination turns off with a push of the illumination knob.

It also incorporates a 3 hour auto shut-off to keep the battery from running down if activated or left on accidentally.

I hope that helps!

Best regards,

Nathan Hunt

 

[psinclair]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I run S&B PMII's and I've got one Hensoldt 4-16X56 FF(mildot). I hear a lot of guys whine about the mildot and I'll say this, I've never felt handicapped with it. I run the P3's in all of my PMII's as well. Both are top notch. They both have features I like that arent shared. The Hensoldt is shorter and more compact, but has a longer main tube for wider ring split. That is a positive to me. Plus in comparing it to my 4-16X50 PMII, it has a 56MM Objective, giving it the edge in twilight factor. In bright light I see hardly any variance optically. I will say as stated above, "target ready to fire" is quicker with the Hensoldt. I'll also say that I like the feel of the "clicks" better on the Hensoldt as well as the way the hash marks are engraved on the turret is easier for my 50+ year old eyes to read without putting on a pair of cheaters.

Both scopes ability to return to zero has been spot on within my use and I use my shit hard...it has to work or I wont use it.

The only thing I've had with the Hensoldt that has never happened with the PMII's is the lit reticle has turned on and off while on my back in a drag bag. That rifle and scope does 15 to 20 miles per week on my back and I've changed out the battery 3 times now.(past 2 1/2 months) I dont even run it with a battery in it anymore but have it handy if I need it I'll put it back in. Must be the constant on and off that has chewed up the batteries.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I know its not a listed option, but for the best fit on a POF's elevated MRR rail (rail sits approx 3/8" higher than rail height on other AR platforms) you may want to consider US Optics in a 3.2-17 SN3 with a 37mm objective.

Look at how high the Hensoldt is in the above picture, then look at the POF with a 37mm USO in the link below:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...320#Post2007320

 

[deadly0311]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

While this isnt a POF, it is a Hensoldt in an AI 45MOA Mount, on a Flat Top AR and the gap between the objective and the rail is at least 1/8 of an inch.

 

[fastford]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

DAMN!

I think i am gonna just have to get both! LOL

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

I just mentioned what I did because I have high cheekbones and usually have troubles getting a scope with a 42+ objective low enough for prone shooting on a regular AR, let alone the POF's MRR.
The AI mount on that AR looks like a good setup deadly.

 

[deadly0311]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

That M4 was just mocked up for the picture and with the regular old plain M4 collapsible stock, there was no need for a cheek piece. It was perfectly fine the way it was in the picture.

 

[hunter223]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fastford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DAMN!

I think i am gonna just have to get both! LOL </div></div>

YES!!!! and I'll take the 3-20 for you

 

[Rob01]

Re: try the henny or the new S&B 3x20?

S&B 5-25x56 in Badger 1" height rings on a Badger 22 MOA base on a POF .308. Works really well and perfect scope height for me when behind the rifle. I have it set up like this so I can just pop the scope off when needed and drop it on to my bolt guns. Otherwise I would throw it in a Larue type mount if it was staying on there but I use the scope more on bolt guns.