TSA is going to finally get gone

#3
ArmyJerry said:
I hope Trump abolishes this goddam agency and gets them out of the airports. Been a scam since day one.


https://abc13.com/travel/iah-closes-tsa-checkpoint-due-to-staffing-shortage/5070041/
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I know this is a constant source of irritation for people who travel, particularly those that travel frequently, but what would you replace them with? Leaving it up to each Airline or Airport I think wold be an even bigger disaster. I'm all for keeping the Government out of most things but this one has always seemed like a tough nut to crack.
 
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powerspc said:
I know this is a constant source of irritation for people who travel, particularly those that travel frequently, but what would you replace them with? Leaving it up to each Airline or Airport I think wold be an even bigger disaster. I'm all for keeping the Government out of most things but this one has always seemed like a tough nut to crack.
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Yes go back to what we had before.

The govt failed by allowing Atta and crew to do what they did. Had govt acted earlier (toss them out with their over stayed visas, perhaps heeded the warnings of flight instructors reporting they only were concerned about how to fly not land, Clinton could have killed Bin Laden but failed to act) than perhaps 9/11 could have been prevented.

So what was the govt solution?

Give them control of the security as reward for their initial screw up!

Put the security back in the hands of the airport authority. Use previously existing FAA to "red team" or check standards to ensure some level of security.

Feds dont need another overblown bloated agency.

Local security probably wont be any worse than the 90% plus failure rate of TSA.
 
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Lapuapalooza said:
Follow Isreal’s lead. When is the last time an Isreali Air plane has been used in a terrorist attack?
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Privatizing airport security with personell that are actually held accountable when they screw up is the ticket.
Government employees don't give a shit as it's pretty damn difficult to get rid of them even the useless ones.

I have flown out Little Rock airport more times than I care to admit and it's one of the worst I've seen, the TSA area is like you just wondered onto a set for the filming of the next Busta Rymes video.
 
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powerspc said:
I know this is a constant source of irritation for people who travel, particularly those that travel frequently, but what would you replace them with? Leaving it up to each Airline or Airport I think wold be an even bigger disaster. I'm all for keeping the Government out of most things but this one has always seemed like a tough nut to crack.
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Bureaucracies are seldom as efficient as private sector.
 
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XLR308 said:
Privatizing airport security with personell that are actually held accountable when they screw up is the ticket.
Government employees don't give a shit as it's pretty damn difficult to get rid of them even the useless ones.

I have flown out Little Rock airport more times than I care to admit and it's one of the worst I've seen, the TSA area is like you just wondered onto a set for the filming of the next Busta Rymes video.
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I made it through TSA with a four-inch folder in my carry on. Then boarded a cruise ship with same. Fortunately, I found it while packing to leave; they hand searched my backpack on the return trip.
 
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The TSA has been found to be beyond worthless time and time again. They've failed to find fake whatever at such a high rate that you'd never see a difference if they just didn't use anyone to screen people boarding their flights nationwide. Pmclaine has the right idea and to give security over to the airport authority. Each airport will get really good at security real fast or they'd risk attacks happening stemming from their location and no one flying in or out, lost business.
 
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Honestly, the uniforms are what make me the angriest. They have epaulets, a gigantic gold shield, and a courage stripe down their pants (A COURAGE STRIPE, LIKE THEY WERE MARINES!!!). Some bureaucrat had to have designed them not knowing a dam thing about what those all mean, and how insulting they are to every real LEO, soldier, sailor, airman, and marine alive.

Private security 100% and eliminate this union dominated charade as fast as possible.
 
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issue is like most tasks/jobs.
it starts out with great intentions and they get saddled with less than stellar employees.

this may not come out right....

the average TSA employee makes 50K a year.
that means most people applying for that job cannot/have not been hired for a higher wage.

if anyone thinks they can staff a around the clock crew for that wage while getting the most motivated and dedicated people, i think you might be confused.

what should be done is that there are no carry-ons, purse or smaller.

that speeds things up and makes the job that much easier, a little inconvenient...oh well.

loading or unloading is sped up. if you have a special needs/baby/older person who needs a liquid diet they all have to sit in a certain area of the plane.
they load first and leave last.

efficiency and comfort do not go together, they are at constant odds.

now xray the shit out of the stuff going under the plane and we are making headway.
 
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Veer_G said:
Misleading thread title. 9/11 changed us for good. The TSA may morph into something else but I don't see us without an organized effort to screen air travelers.
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I agree. Unfortunately 9/11 changed air travel for good. There will always be a need for formal airport security, and at international airport that will need to be centralized. IMO it doesn't necessarily have to be government-run, but in order to stay effectively/efficiently coordinated with other nations, centralization is needed.

I travel internationally several times a year for work, and all countries are experiencing similar shit-shows. In come places it moves along a little better, but at peak times there are always lines and challenges with bottlenecks at security.
 
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Veer_G said:
A "courage" stripe? Never heard it termed that. https://www.google.com/search?q=courage+stripe ??

Marines call it a "blood stripe."
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Well, it's not red, and it doesn't commemorate victory in a bloody battle, or stand for courage. It's not to add color to an otherwise drab uniform, as has been the case with some stripes, or to denote an officer. It's just like they threw it is because may as well because of the huge shield and the epaulets. As I said, it's like someone who knew nothing just threw together everything they could to try and make you respect a mall cop as if they were a super secret, FBI, Real Admiral. That was my point.
 
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Lapuapalooza said:
Follow Isreal’s lead. When is the last time an Isreali Air plane has been used in a terrorist attack?
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This is the approach we should take to be effective, but it's not going to happen. Day one somebody is going to bitch about getting profiled and start a lawsuit, then the lib_communist house will immediately run to the podium and whine about "that's not who we are".

Israel got it/is getting it right and they are polite about the entire ordeal. Maybe you get some extra scrutiny one flight. Can't handle it? Find another mode of transportation. I dont see anything in the constitution saying you have the right to fly and there are other, viable options unless you're going overseas. Anyone flying overseas should be doubly checked. Once by us and once by the country the plane toucheds down in before they board.

Veer is 100% right, not going anywhere. Too bad we can't get out of our own way with PC BS and actually protect passengers with real screening, by personnel trained in behavioral signs. Atta was sweating like he had a hot poker up his ass when he strolled through security.
 
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Fig said:
Well, it's not red, and it doesn't commemorate victory in a bloody battle, or stand for courage. It's not to add color to an otherwise drab uniform, as has been the case with some stripes, or to denote an officer. It's just like they threw it is because may as well because of the huge shield and the epaulets. As I said, it's like someone who knew nothing just threw together everything they could to try and make you respect a mall cop as if they were a super secret, FBI, Real Admiral. That was my point.
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Public confidence in the relative safety of air travel was nil just post-9/11. They wanted to instill confidence in a fairly shattered public that air travel didn't immediately mean unduly high risk. And stripes were simply an accent that picked up unifrom coat colors, way, way, way back in the day. The TSA may be somewhat useless, but I wouldn't hold it against them that the PTB decided to dress them up like supernumeraries in a military operetta.
 
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Sitting in Chicago ohare now. Tsa was not that bad going thru today. But I do agree, it sucks dicks.

Brother went thru with his badge handcuffs and a knife.....guess what ??? They did not say shit to him about it.

I forget to take my victor credit card multitool and they nail me for the fingernail file......saying its a weapon. I told both of them they were pussys.

Fuck the tsa
 
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Veer_G said:
Public confidence in the relative safety of air travel was nil just post-9/11. They wanted to instill confidence in a fairly shattered public that air travel didn't immediately mean unduly high risk. And stripes were simply an accent that picked up unifrom coat colors, way, way, way back in the day. The TSA may be somewhat useless, but I wouldn't hold it against them that the PTB decided to dress them up like supernumeraries in a military operetta.
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I don't. I don't hold it against them at all. There are doing exactly, precisely the same dam thing security was doing before 9/11, with the exception of the microwave thingy you hold your hands over your head for...

I don't blame the TSA "agents" at all. They're doing a menial, thankless job. I do however blame the TSA agency itself, and the Federal Bureaucracy generally. "Supernumeraries in a military operetta" is not simile or metaphor. That is exactly what they are because they were afraid it would be politically incorrect to actually institute real policy that targeted the real dangers on commercial flights. It's an operetta that doesn't end, EVER, because now it's an AFGE production and the point is union power and money, not safety or security.
 
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You know, the inconvenience really doesn't bother me. I get to the airport early because I know there will be a line. What bothers me is the uselessness of the whole charade. That the useless charade is an inconvenience is expected.

Does the fact that someone is there, not seeing 90% of the contraband flowing- literally- right before their eyes, deter people from bringing contraband onto an airplane? I've pitched 2 perfectly good pocket knives at airport screening- before getting to the conveyor belt...
 
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i got married in 2004, went down to the islands for honeymoon.

9/11 was still fresh in the regular populations mind (i personally curse every muslim every day i wake up, but thats just me)so traveling was a little different if you remember.

we took a day trip that was on a dual prop plane not a puddle jumper. had to do the whole security thing.

2 agents (not american TSA but they are all the same, except for canada, they do their jobs) are at the front etc

a few people ahead of me, regular people no issue. im with my wife dressed for the day trip, small bag shorts etc. shes the same.

the couple behind me looks like Christie Brinkley but with some plastic surgery in the right places, and the husband looks like Tom Selleck, both 50 years old.

she was wearing some serious jewelry and skin tight pants and top, he looked like Tommy Bahama.

NOW.., behind them were a family of 8-10 rag heads all garbed up carrying a ton of shit.

guess who they stop at the counter for the frisk...the really hot woman. her cloths were so fitted you could see the credit card in her pocket.

i said are you kidding me kind of loud..my wife knew what was coming next she walked forward.

the husband looked at me like "really".

the TSA guy told me to move along im blocking etc.

thats when it came out:

how did you choose these people to stop

they said it is random

i then said, so half the plane is going to be filled with people who crash planes into buildings and are wearing clothes that could cover any bomb or weapon you can imaging, but you stop the rich good looking white couple.

by then my wife is having a heart attack.

the tailban are starting to circle like buffalo, the TSA guy says along the lines of move or your in trouble...

the husband bought me a beer when we bounced into each other at a restaurant later on that day
 
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Just let the TSA strip seach a Muslim I bet they hope to get searched and then sue and send the money back home to Haji the hitman.... these fucks have a camp 25 miles from my farm in Hancock NY islamberg... read up people it is 1 of many many in our country, they are all getting you're tax money I see them in walmart with 15 carts filled to the top ,out comes the fucking foodstamp card.
 
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Lapuapalooza said:
Follow Isreal’s lead. When is the last time an Isreali Air plane has been used in a terrorist attack?
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Hi,

Yea but if you think TSA has a large budget....you should compare it to Israeli Airport Security budget :)

Israeli air marshals are required to fly the same flight every day for 6 months without being recognized by anyone onboard the plane for their final exercise.

Israeli airport security is why I now have to show up 4-6 hours ahead of time for flights because I know I am getting "pre-selected" for additional security screening and questioning.....All because 1 pair of boots pegged their explosive compound sniffing machine at the grand opening of the new terminal 3 at Ben Gurion airport several years ago.......Well that are because my travelling companion told them we do not get Israeli stamps in our passports (Get stickers instead) because and I quote "We work in Muslim countries and they give us a hard time if we have Israel stamps in our books"...

TSA as it operates in useless.....

Of all the things that Erik wanted to take over....this is the one thing the Gov't denied him the ability to do so that might have been better if he was allowed to.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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This one's for AJ to chew on and provide his insightful feedback :cool:;

Saw this yesterday outbound from CDG customs to SEA. Didn't personally go through it. Facial, retina and fingerprint scanning, all inside of a pen (and I don't mean a fountion pen). It's 3 chambers wide, each chamber with front and back doors. You're in a jail cell. If the grand computer doesn't like something about you, you're stuck inside the pen (until LE/customs comes to get you).

https://www.gemalto.com/govt/biometrics/facial-recognition.
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Gee, it's secure, never going to ever be any databreaches and the .gov will look after all your needs. Oh, and delighted to see that Google, Amazon, MSFT, etc are all getting in on the facial recognition game.....:rolleyes:

They're just putting these in. No choice, no options. You don't want to go through it. Fine. You don't get on the plane. Well, not quite that far along yet, but I seem to remember the same thing happening with magnetometers and back scatter scanners a few short years ago.........Get used to the idea, it's coming your way. Oh, almost forgot. I went into a book/food store on the concourse to buy a bottle of water. They couldn't sell it to me without scanning my boarding pass........
 
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powerspc said:
I know this is a constant source of irritation for people who travel, particularly those that travel frequently, but what would you replace them with? Leaving it up to each Airline or Airport I think wold be an even bigger disaster. I'm all for keeping the Government out of most things but this one has always seemed like a tough nut to crack.
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The airports and airlines were doing it before 9/11 and doing just as well.
Keep in mind, the weapons used were not unauthorized. That is exactly why they used them, they had the benefit of surprise and also had the benefit of it never having been done before.
Which is exactly why Flt 93 wasn't as successful, the passengers found out that there was no "negotiation", so they took action.
No US flight will ever be successfully hijacked by 4 guys with box cutters again.
 
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I was stripped searched in Cairo outbound to JFK mom worked for TWA, I saw the whole world by 16. So men boys in one line women, girls in the other down to you're draws. With machine guns at the ready every passenger and that was back in 1974 The Times They Are A-Changin.
 
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How about we go all Barney Fife? When you board the plane, you are issued a gun with one bullet. Everyone gets issued. If you don't want the gun, or have issues with guns, you don't fly. You and your emotional emu have to get off the plane. If anyone pulls any shit, they only have one bullet, and the other 187 passengers have one too. I don't think those odds are very good.

On a serious note, get rid of them all. Little by little, inch by inch, we give up our freedoms. TSA is nothing more than a 'feel good' cluster foisted on us. Typical knee jerk reaction to an incident more than three standard deviations from the norm.
 
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P-Squared said:
How about we go all Barney Fife? When you board the plane, you are issued a gun with one bullet. Everyone gets issued. If you don't want the gun, or have issues with guns, you don't fly. You and your emotional emu have to get off the plane. If anyone pulls any shit, they only have one bullet, and the other 187 passengers have one too. I don't think those odds are very good.

On a serious note, get rid of them all. Little by little, inch by inch, we give up our freedoms. TSA is nothing more than a 'feel good' cluster foisted on us. Typical knee jerk reaction to an incident more than three standard deviations from the norm.
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That's my preferred way of thinking. What are the odds? These commies want to get people thinking, oh there's a CHANCE that something bad MIGHT happen, so we shouldn't do it! Fuck that, there's not a chance they'd get away with it. Odds are, they won't even try.
 
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