Tulsi Gabbard Flips; Now Supports Warrantless Spying

[Redlion]

I can't say that I am surprised in the least. Does not bode well for Kash either.

As the story is told [SEE HERE], and it aligns with every scintilla of researched data on the darkest and deepest elements of the Deep State, DNI nominee Tulsi Gabbard has reversed her position and will now support FISA-702, the warrantless searches of American communication and electronic metadata.

Apparently the FISA process and the 702 aspect (specific to American citizens) is the line in the sand the Senate Select Intelligence Committee has drawn. If Tulsi Gabbard does not support it, her confirmation is in doubt. As a result, she has reportedly reversed her position and now supports it.

This is also a big part of the reason why the DC Deep State will easily confirm Kash Patel to be Donald Trump’s FBI Director. Kash Patel is a big believer in the value of FISA-702.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...nfirmed-as-director-of-national-intelligence/

 

[Jack's Dad]

I never trusted that bitch

 

[atomic41]

I fucking told you people. Do not trust that commie.

 

[softcock]

You are there only because you are Party subsidized, and you work for Party .
.

 

[kalashnikev]

You are there only because you are Party subsidized, and you work for Party.

She was out on her (fine) booty, just out there on the street.

She could have worked a normal job somewhere, popped up every here and there on a TV spot to drop Truth on the betrayal of the American People, our commitment to forever-wars, or why President Doctor Bashar al Asad should come back to be the first leader of "The Holy Land," fka The J-state, fka Palestine.

She instead chose to sell out for power.

Disgusting.

 

[TACC]

Wow, i prayed this would not happen, but you know, the whole leopards and spot thing.

 

[Holliday]

She wants power and she’ll throw anyone under the bus for it. She once made an analogy comparing herself to the Queen of Dragons not long after said queen had gone full psychopath.

 

[PolarisBreach]

You ain't see nothin' yet. I've always said she's one of the biggest snakes in DC, period. She's always had her eyes on power - her latest move is merely a means to an end.

 

[Skunk]

Whoever wrote that article has no idea what 702 is.

 

[Holliday]

Whoever wrote that article has no idea what 702 is.

Do tell….

 

[Redlion]

Do tell….

Yes, please do explain how not correct?

 

[pmclaine]

Chieu Hoi Democrat.

She should have been made to go on a few patrols and bring back scalps before you fell in love with her.

 

[Skunk]

702 is a part of FISA used for collection on OCONUS non-USPERS, i.e. non-US persons located outside the United States. And, it is not used in conjunction with or related to any “NSA database.”

FISA (FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act) has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with Domestic Terrorism and is not available for those types of investigations.

I don’t know why the writer thinks 702 is relative to American Citizens; it’s literally the FISA provision used exclusively for non-US Citz.

 

[mosin46]

this is something i don't know a lot about. my 1st reaction is that anyone the rinos and dims are trying to keep out must be OK. 2nd it bothers me that there is some intelligence gathering action that the rinos and dims want badly enough to make a battle over it vis a vis trump. as for her wanting increased power? likely,but with what DC denizen,politician or fed bureaucrat is that not a problem with? looking more and more like we all my be disappointed in the future outcome of 11/5,2024.

 

[pmclaine]

Wasnt a FISA warrant used as a pretext to be surveilling foreign influences that Trump was supposedly involved with but in fact it was just a means to spy on Trump.

Carter Page, Papadopoulos, the Italians, the Australians….it started OCONUS with the intent to look in CONUS.

The state has shown it should not be trusted with…..anything.

End the Patriot Act, the FISA court, chop down all the surveillance cameras and make surveillance drone use in the US punishable by death.

 

[mosin46]

that i understand and agree with. doubt Gabbard or any other DC/fed player would like it though.

 

[BLEE]

I support the theory behind FISA and 702, but there's no protection from those who abuse it and use it unlawfully . Louisiana Senator John Kennedy clarified 702 in this reply to an email I sent to him, expressing my concerns:

 

[Skunk]

Wasnt a FISA warrant used as a pretext to be surveilling foreign influences that Trump was supposedly involved with but in fact it was just a means to spy on Trump.

Carter Page, Papadopoulos, the Italians, the Australians….it started OCONUS with the intent to look in CONUS.

Yeah, that was the allegation/accusation levied by the Pro-Trump media and fans. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know, and I don’t have the Need To Know to go reading for the answer.

That’s not the way 702 is intended/supposed to be used. But, as with all capabilities, I’m sure it can be abused. Maybe it was.

FISA is a huge piece of National Security and I don’t see it going away. It has definitely helped prevent 9/11-type events a time or two, at least.

 

[TexPatriot]

Sounds like a no win deal. If she didn't flip, the Senate Select Intelligence Committee wouldn't have confirmed her.

IOW, you can come over, but you have to be the Deep State's bitch.

 

[Detroit_1]

Science of Identity Foundation

Senators Urged To Examine Gabbard’s ‘Deep and Intense’ Ties To Hawaiʻi Sect​

 

[Edsel]

Science of Identity Foundation

Senators Urged To Examine Gabbard’s ‘Deep and Intense’ Ties To Hawaiʻi Sect​

No big deal.

Maintain some diversity with the Christian and non - Christian Zionists we already have in office

The more sects and cults, the better

 

[redbullitt]

Different titties, same grift.

 

[Maser]

Wow! A Democrat that can't be trusted. Go figure!

 

[Steel+Killer]

Anyone given it a moment's thought that she said what needed to be said to get her foot in the door (confirmed)

Sometimes you say what you got to say to get a seat at the table.

I am hoping that's what this is will be keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Yeah, that was the allegation/accusation levied by the Pro-Trump media and fans. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know, and I don’t have the Need To Know to go reading for the answer.

That’s not the way 702 is intended/supposed to be used. But, as with all capabilities, I’m sure it can be abused. Maybe it was.

FISA is a huge piece of National Security and I don’t see it going away. It has definitely helped prevent 9/11-type events a time or two, at least.

Doesn't it have the provision that they can search 3 levels deep in the contacts of the person that they get the warrant for?

 

[Edsel]

Doesn't it have the provision that they can search 3 levels deep in the contacts of the person that they get the warrant for?

That and up to the three generations that precede and follow you

 

[stanley_white]

702 is a part of FISA used for collection on OCONUS non-USPERS, i.e. non-US persons located outside the United States. And, it is not used in conjunction with or related to any “NSA database.”

FISA (FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act) has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with Domestic Terrorism and is not available for those types of investigations.

I don’t know why the writer thinks 702 is relative to American Citizens; it’s literally the FISA provision used exclusively for non-US Citz.

Please don’t let facts get in the way of the internet’s desire to be angry.



-Stan

 

[myronman3]

it's easy.....fire her.

 

[atomic41]

This communist has a voting record that is public if you just take a few minutes to educate yourself and stop looking at those communist titties. She has worked to remove rights, expand government power, and disarm the population. Stop fucking falling for it. This is why we are in the mess we are in. People keep falling for the communists tricks. Fucking stop it. voting record here

 

[BLEE]

This communist has a voting record that is public if you just take a few minutes to educate yourself and stop looking at those communist titties. She has worked to remove rights, expand government power, and disarm the population. Stop fucking falling for it. This is why we are in the mess we are in. People keep falling for the communists tricks. Fucking stop it. voting record here

And she's Trump's pick. Who/What is Trump and how does she fit with Trump's goal?

 

[pmclaine]

Yeah, that was the allegation/accusation levied by the Pro-Trump media and fans. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know, and I don’t have the Need To Know to go reading for the answer.

That’s not the way 702 is intended/supposed to be used. But, as with all capabilities, I’m sure it can be abused. Maybe it was.

FISA is a huge piece of National Security and I don’t see it going away. It has definitely helped prevent 9/11-type events a time or two, at least.

The 9/11 type events seem to be border level retard IQs that otherwise would be harmless being talked into stupid shit by FBI handlers.

Take the Texas shooting for instance with the FBI agents following the terrorists car than gettting a big sad when the Texan rent a cop shot them dead.

McCabe, Sztrock and Paige are getting pensions or have been paid out millions.

FBI is corrupt until there is accountability.

There are still those dangerous parents at school board meetings to take out though….

 

[kalashnikev]

702 is a part of FISA used for collection on OCONUS non-USPERS,

I don’t know why the writer thinks 702 is relative to American Citizens; it’s literally the FISA provision used exclusively for non-US Citz.

Respectfully- it sounds like you don't understand how collection works today. I will explain it:

It's not "a warrantless wiretap" against a guy named Mohammed, so who cares?

What it IS is mass collection of communications through huge dragnet operations, and then "making the best effort" to exclude US devices and follow the 4th Amendment. That's literally-exactly what they say.

BUT there are exceptions- when collecting and storing all this data, the unlawfully collected US device info doesn't get thrown out... it just goes in a different bucket.

UNLESS they can prove some nexus between it and an ongoing investigation or a target of interest... which doesn't mean the next KSM like you think it does... it means you pinged in front of the arepa stand in Caqueta on vacation, and the Abuela used to bang a guy in ELN back in the 90s. (Those damn Caquetians! Worse than the Atropians!)

THAT'S how it pops up as evidence collected against American citizens and your lawyer says, "What kind of dystopian Big Brother shit is this? How did you obtain this?" and the Prosecutor says, "FISA... it's secret... I can't tell you... but anyway, what about it, Defendant?"

And you're all like, "If I'm being charged in a Criminal trial, where is the 'Intelligence' angle on this?"

And they can just say STFU, we can take anticonstitutional action legally- thanks to Section 702.

FISA is a huge piece of National Security and I don’t see it going away. It has definitely helped prevent 9/11-type events a time or two, at least.

If you talk to any of these Tubby Gallardo types (they all look like Ryan McBeth, whether they are male or female) in the IC they will tell you that they, "Stop a 9/11 attack every day!" thanks to their heroic efforts in the shadows.

It's fake bullshit though.

Y'know what really stops the next 9/11? Not sending $26B to the J-state so that they can bomb schools, hospitals, houses of worship... promote famine... violently expand into neighboring countries... etc.

OT, though.

And she's Trump's pick. Who/What is Trump and how does she fit with Trump's goal?

Simple: Person X is appointed to lead Agency Y and fold it down, so that our adversaries may stand up and exercise power over the United States.

Use this madlib to understand everything that is about to happen to us.

 

[Holliday]

Sounds like a no win deal. If she didn't flip, the Senate Select Intelligence Committee wouldn't have confirmed her.

IOW, you can come over, but you have to be the Deep State's bitch.

It was.

The problem is, if you look at Tulsi she looks like someone who has been red-pilled.

From another angle she looks like an interloper moving towards power. Someone who will suck the chrome off a doorknob to get it…..

Remember also she is Hindu not Judeo-Christian.

 

[TexPatriot]

For the ADD and TL;DR students:

She swerved out of the Left lane into the Right lane when she saw Trump was a sure bet in '24, ran on the promise of doing away with illegal government surveillance and spying on U.S. citizens and snagged a high level position in Trump's cabinet as head of DNI and now she yanked hard back into the Left lane and is for spying on U.S. citizens?

Is that accurate?

 

[kthomas]

Hugely disappointing.

Same thing happened to Mike Johnson - he just flipped on a dime, with no explanation, after a closed door meeting with Intel agencies.

I'm inclined to think something darker is at play here.

 

[Holliday]

For the ADD and TL;DR students:

She swerved out of the Left lane into the Right lane when she saw Trump was a sure bet in '24, ran on the promise of doing away with illegal government surveillance and spying on U.S. citizens and snagged a high level position in Trump's cabinet as head of DNI and now she yanked hard back into the Left lane and is for spying on U.S. citizens?

Is that accurate?

Well, the first thing that happened was she resigned from, I think she was like assistant director or something at the DNC, over Hillary cheating during the Bernie Hillary primary in 2016.

Her arc manifested from there because the Dems turned on her like hyenas. She started going on Fox News a lot right around that time.

 

[kalashnikev]

she yanked hard back into the Left lane and is for spying on U.S. citizens?

Is that accurate?

No, because following the United States Constitution is not a Left/ Right thing... it's an Authoritarian/ Libertarian thing.

There are authoritarians on both the Left and Right... and the architects of the draconian security state post-9/11 were mostly authoritarian Right, with enthusiastic support from the authoritarian Left.

Well, the first thing that happened was she resigned from, I think she was like assistant director or something at the DNC, over Hillary cheating during the Bernie Hillary primary in 2016.

Her arc manifested from there because the Dems turned on her like hyenas. She started going on Fox News a lot right around that time.

No, she lost all her D support because she took down Kamala- HARD- in the Democratic Primary... back when Democrats used to actually hold primaries.

Those other things happened, but this is by far the most significant event- and the source of their hatred that drove her out of the party.

 

[MadDuner]

The toothpaste will never go back into the tube.

.GOV is never going to give up their tech spying/monitoring capabilities ever… regardless of whatever rules or laws or limitations anybody will pretend exists.

 

[kthomas]

Well, the first thing that happened was she resigned from, I think she was like assistant director or something at the DNC, over Hillary cheating during the Bernie Hillary primary in 2016.

Her arc manifested from there because the Dems turned on her like hyenas. She started going on Fox News a lot right around that time.

Exactly.

She left the Democratic party long before Trump's 2024 run.

While I don't agree with all of her positions, Tulsi strikes me as someone that's genuinely interested in serving America and the American people, and she knows that transcends devout party loyalty.

That's why her and the Democrats had a falling out. Tulsi wanted to work with Republicans (as well as Democrats) to make the country a better place, but the Dems hated it because they are party first (as are Republicans).

 

[TexPatriot]

No, because following the United States Constitution is not a Left/ Right thing... it's an Authoritarian/ Libertarian thing.

There are authoritarians on both the Left and Right... and the architects of the draconian security state post-9/11 were mostly authoritarian Right, with enthusiastic support from the authoritarian Left.



No, she lost all her D support because she took down Kamala- HARD- in the Democratic Primary... back when Democrats used to actually hold primaries.

Those other things happened, but this is by far the most significant event- and the source of their hatred that drove her out of the party.

She has definately been a ship without a port after she took out Kamala in the Dem. Primary.

Lets just see what she has to say for herself. She may be just trying to appease the Senate Select Intelligence Committee for confirmation.

She got run out of one party and cast adrift, surely she's not going to shit her new party that soon unless she's a maverick with her own agenda and doesn't care what either sides thinks about her.

 

[Holliday]

No, she lost all her D support because she took down Kamala- HARD- in the Democratic Primary... back when Democrats used to actually hold primaries.

I don’t have time to go back and give you a history lesson on Tulsi’s move from left to right. If I did, I would go on YouTube and I would produce a plethora of videos from 2016 where she was on Fox News and everywhere else slamming the Dems for allowing Hillary to cheat. And there are a plethora of videos of her being slammed by the Democrats. There are a plethora of article about her during that time.

Anyone who believes that you could go out publicly against Hillary Clinton as a Dem in 2016 and not be eviscerated by the Democrats is delusional. Anyone who thinks that you could be making regular appearances on Fox News in 2016 and not be hated by the Democrats again it’s just ludicrous.

The reason that the Kamala takedown was so big was two fold. She did a good job of doing it but she already had made a name for herself as going against the Democrat/Hillary machine. She had huge name recognition amongst the Democrats upset about Bernie and Republicans that were already following her on Fox News.

 

[mosin46]

my final thought: IF her goal is to weaken or destroy the deep state (for whatever reason personal or not) i support her efforts. i don't give a shit if she's Stalin's granddaughter or Trump's side piece. ANYTHING to bring it down is justifiable ANYTHING! it is the thing,so deeply entrenched,that is the most likely to destroy america.
BTW the intelligence web has not stopped any terror event unless it happens to conflict with some other plan they have. they just reschedule.

 

[PolarisBreach]

Let's play a game: if you were Tulsi Gabbard today, and your goal was to be President someday, what actions would you be taking in furtherance of that goal? Hint: the "communist/DEI/child-rape/forever-war" platform isn't as popular as it used to be.

 

[roostercogburn98]

Wow! A Democrat politician that can't be trusted. Go figure!

Mo betta

 

[Skunk]

Doesn't it have the provision that they can search 3 levels deep in the contacts of the person that they get the warrant for?

Open source searches can be done on contacts/associates of a FISA target. Any further than that and you’ll need to submit a FISA application for that person. Every target has his/her own FISA warrant/case.

 

[Skunk]

Please don’t let facts get in the way of the internet’s desire to be angry.



-Stan

Be careful talking to me….you might get a PM from my Secret Admirer.

 

[Skunk]

FBI is corrupt until there is accountability.

I hope this changes.

I don’t have high hopes with Patel.

 

[Skunk]

Respectfully- it sounds like you don't understand how collection works today. I will explain it:

It's not "a warrantless wiretap" against a guy named Mohammed, so who cares?

What it IS is mass collection of communications through huge dragnet operations, and then "making the best effort" to exclude US devices and follow the 4th Amendment. That's literally-exactly what they say.

BUT there are exceptions- when collecting and storing all this data, the unlawfully collected US device info doesn't get thrown out... it just goes in a different bucket.

UNLESS they can prove some nexus between it and an ongoing investigation or a target of interest... which doesn't mean the next KSM like you think it does... it means you pinged in front of the arepa stand in Caqueta on vacation, and the Abuela used to bang a guy in ELN back in the 90s. (Those damn Caquetians! Worse than the Atropians!)

THAT'S how it pops up as evidence collected against American citizens and your lawyer says, "What kind of dystopian Big Brother shit is this? How did you obtain this?" and the Prosecutor says, "FISA... it's secret... I can't tell you... but anyway, what about it, Defendant?"

And you're all like, "If I'm being charged in a Criminal trial, where is the 'Intelligence' angle on this?"

And they can just say STFU, we can take anticonstitutional action legally- thanks to Section 702.



If you talk to any of these Tubby Gallardo types (they all look like Ryan McBeth, whether they are male or female) in the IC they will tell you that they, "Stop a 9/11 attack every day!" thanks to their heroic efforts in the shadows.

It's fake bullshit though.

Y'know what really stops the next 9/11? Not sending $26B to the J-state so that they can bomb schools, hospitals, houses of worship... promote famine... violently expand into neighboring countries... etc.

OT, though.



Simple: Person X is appointed to lead Agency Y and fold it down, so that our adversaries may stand up and exercise power over the United States.

Use this madlib to understand everything that is about to happen to us.

This is a lot to respond to and I’m not real inclined to put in the effort.

This “dragnet” you mention is, I assume, the NSA tool Snowden aired out. If so, I wasn’t thinking of that in my comments re: 702. My experience is more in targeted collection and I haven’t used that tool. With that in mind, I’ll stand by what I said, though it may not be all encompassing.

Not gonna get any closer to that here…

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Open source searches can be done on contacts/associates of a FISA target. Any further than that and you’ll need to submit a FISA application for that person. Every target has his/her own FISA warrant/case.

The last statistics I read said that the fisa court has only rejected a few requests. So I would say that if you are a contact several layers deep. A smartly written request for a warrant would be granted.
Just because there's rules don't mean there's a real security against abuse. But you already know that and I know that you know. Ya know?

 

[Skunk]

The last statistics I read said that the fisa court has only rejected a few requests. So I would say that if you are a contact several layers deep. A smartly written request for a warrant would be granted.
Just because there's rules don't mean there's a real security against abuse. But you already know that and I know that you know. Ya know?

I know.

FISA isn’t any different than regular warrant applications in that regard…. You’ve got to establish Probable Cause and swear to the Judge/Court that the fact pattern in the affidavit/application is true and correct.