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Tulsi Gabbard Flips; Now Supports Warrantless Spying
- Thread starter Redlion
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Why is a Ukrainian commenting on our domestic shit.
You don’t even hold elections.
I have no doubt that, in the hands of honest and moral people, 702 can be a huge boon. I also know that 702 has been abused thousands of times (and that's just the declassified number), to include targeting Trump. Not related to 702, but I personally know of analysts who abused their tools for personal reasons and got hammered (they thought she was cheating and they were right). But if the order comes from the top? It gets written off as an unfortunate accident.
Regardless, it's hard to pull the "it's for our own safety" card when all manners of evil has been allowed - arguably even encouraged and enticed - to flow across our borders largely unchecked for the past 4 years.
Regardless, it's hard to pull the "it's for our own safety" card when all manners of evil has been allowed - arguably even encouraged and enticed - to flow across our borders largely unchecked for the past 4 years.
The way things should be (the rules) and the reality are two different things.
The FBI maintains a data base populated with information only legally used for foreign intelligence purposes. Yet, the FBI used the 702 process to avoid legally obtaining a warrant to investigate those suspected of being present in DC on Jan 6. They used 702 to avoid having to prove a predicate for the most intrusive electronic surveillance in the history of mankind and did so thousands of times.
702 sounds good on paper. Yet its main use now is a means for corrupt law enforcement agents to violate the rights of US citizens rather than surveil foreignn actors.
I’m not trying to start an argument with you, but where are you getting these ideas? You’ve made some pretty specific assertions above. Just curious where this belief is coming from.
What database are you referring to? Every fbi system (database if you want to call it that) has a name. What is it?
J6 investigations are not high-tech cases. Almost all of them are built on information collected via regular old search warrants to Google, Facebook, phone company of choice, individual cell phone downloads, and security video footage captured in/around the Capitol building.
Again, just curious because I’ve never before heard of the FISA process being abused in order to further criminal investigations such as J6.
I'll save you some time. Start on page 24.
If you really get interested in history. It has been going on for a long time. https://irp.fas.org/offdocs/pclob-702.pdf
Do a little research on your own to understand how "Prism" and "Upstream" works. Search those words using "and" 702 abuse.
Thanks. Interesting stuff.
I read pages 24-30 and will read some more later.
One thing I’d like to point out (because it doesn’t surprise me) is the frequency of things like “the analyst queried” in the text. Agents in the field go round-and-round with analysts over shit like this all the time. Analysts seem to think they’re the brains of the outfit because they’ve been told the fbi is “an Intel-driven agency” and they’re the ones driving investigations. They think they’re the tip of the spear and they have access to all this shit. But, unlike Agents, they don’t understand the requirement for “an articulable, factual basis to believe that a crime has occurred or is occurring” before going balls deep in their “full work up” on someone. So, seeing this document with numerous examples of analysts at CTD/TSC doing stupid shit… I’m not shocked.
To re-state the obvious, that’s not how any of this is supposed to be used. And it’s not the way everyone uses/used it.
Show me a case where a field agent reported an analyst for violating the civil rights of a US citizen.
Analysts don’t put hands on people and they can’t open cases or swear out warrants. So, from my perspective as an Agent in the field, the opportunity/possibility isn’t really there.
Everything in the fbi is very compartmented. If that situation ever existed, and an Agent has ever reported an analyst for some kind of violation, I’d have no way of knowing unless I had been the reporting party.
Everything in the fbi is very compartmented. If that situation ever existed, and an Agent has ever reported an analyst for some kind of violation, I’d have no way of knowing unless I had been the reporting party.
People don’t change. No matter how bad you losers want to fuck an ugly bitch like her.
It's much simpler than all of this.
Our govt doesn't have to spy on us. They provide the information to foreign govs and pay our tax money for their info services.
Done.
They didn't spy on us, they just bought the info.
The bugging of Trump Tower was a FISA job. Something about Russian banking and the election steal.
Admiral Mike Rodgers warned Trump than went into witness protection or something never to be seen again.
Flynn also.
He called his Russian counterpart asking not to escalate the diplomat expulsions Obama was doing to push the “Russian stolen election” narrative.
Because he had been recorded that gave the FEEBs a wedge for McCabe to utter “First we fuck Flynn. Than we fuck Trump.”
Not a good organization.
Needs to have its buildings raised to the ground and the land salted.
No better than my old organization. My ex coworkers just have a more hands on approach….I will never defend them, exactly the opposite.
Admiral Mike Rodgers warned Trump than went into witness protection or something never to be seen again.
Flynn also.
He called his Russian counterpart asking not to escalate the diplomat expulsions Obama was doing to push the “Russian stolen election” narrative.
Because he had been recorded that gave the FEEBs a wedge for McCabe to utter “First we fuck Flynn. Than we fuck Trump.”
Not a good organization.
Needs to have its buildings raised to the ground and the land salted.
No better than my old organization. My ex coworkers just have a more hands on approach….I will never defend them, exactly the opposite.
Yep. Or the FBI pays a foreign asset to contact the US citizen. Then they tell the FISA court they need to spy on the foreign asset. And don't forget the two-hop rule. Which is what they purposely used to wiretap Trump.
If they can do it to a presidential candidate, and then to a sitting president, you better believe they can do it to you. Why does this continue?
Because even in the unlikely event they get caught, there are never any sanctions.
Non-U.S. citizens do not have Constitutional protections.
Senate Intel Committee James Lankford Says He Will Now Support Tulsi Gabbard for DNI
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i really knew this as regards myself personally. but,hearing it is just inflammatory in the extreme. being a nobody,like most people,i wonder what the plan is for all that monitored info. i bet all of those 10K drones make 6 figures with top ins and retirement. no surprise we are 35 tril in the hole and climbing. could be easy to believe that our own gov is more of a threat than hamas,NK,Iiran,china,russia,hezbollah,cartels. so scary that ignoring it is the only way to deal. that is what people i know who know do. helpless to change it it seems.
The huge planned data centers and AI together are the planned overseeing of every byte of data that gets communicated anywhere in the world. Every word spoken or typed will be sifted, deciphered, and scrutinized by super computers so that if Grandma posts her recipe for chicken soup - the powers that be will make sure it wasn’t secret plans for some devious device.
Our tax-payer funds at work!
Correct. That’s why FISA investigations of CONUS USPERS are conducted under Title 1 of FISA.
Corrupt FBI agents lied to the FISA court to obtain a Title 1 warrant on Carter Page.
In a biased and/or naive worldview, one could depend on the law to protect one's civil rights. But when highly educated, well-trained federal agents conspire to lie to federal judges to obtain a wire-tap on one person in order spy on someone else, then all the laws and platitudes on Earth will not protect us.
Agreed.
Again, I’m not here to argue with you about right and wrong, and I’m certainly not defending the actions of the shitheads you’re illuminating. I only posted here to clarify that 702 relates to investigation of OCONUS non-USPERS, and one member is still having trouble with that.
Nobody here is naive, some are just inarticulate. You all keep saying 702 is the problem when what you mean, apparently, is that abuse of NSA’s PRISM is. I.e. some people have integrity problems.
Our system is arranged so that a guilty man will escape justice so that not one innocent man is wrongly imprisoned.
Unless and until those who abused their power, and those who knew and said nothing, are brought to justice, then the entire program needs to be shut down. Will it endanger the country? Possibly. But if we allow the dozens of corrupt federal agents who abused the program to escape justice, then they, and those who observed their success, will continue to abuse it and our fellow citizens. Either bring them to justice, or shut it down.
I doubt that you will get enough politicians to agree that the system is being abused even though they know it is. They are very happy to have that tool in their back pocket. Especially since there's no direct connection to them when it's abused. Nevermind that most of them are compromised either on the Epstein list or some other way.
In other words.... It ain't going away
Yes and I think too many people have false hope of swamp draining coming. ASGH means just that. The swamp is going to survive Trump and what comes next is very dark.
The people Trump picked for his team are all swamp critters, and I don't trust a single mother F'er in the lot. Not Musk, Gabbard, Ramaswami...none of them. They are all trojan horse plants that the left groomed a few years ago for this very moment. They have been playing the good guy role and acting like they are super conservatives and obviously it worked.
damn,hope you are wrong. wouldn't bet against your take on it though. am starting to lean heavily thinking that way.
