So, with all the talk with what's going on in VA, and the existing bans in other Cities and States, has anyone thought about doing something simple to get around a ban by turning their semi-auto into a bolt action? For example, with an AR-15 with a gas piston upper, like an LMT, you can easily remove the piston rod, turning it into a bolt action rifle.
Turning a so called Assault Rifle into a bolt gun?
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The gun grabbers would want it made so that you could never put that piston back in. So unless the removal is permanent and couldn't be reversed, they wouldn't bat an eyelash probably and would still ban it.
We have been "compromising"... Since 1934. I think that we have compromised too much.
I agree, I just brought up the question as an alternative to those who don't want to surrender their so called Assault Rifle, and not become an instant Felon.
Never cave to the Democrat Crime Party ideologies or their redefining/remanufacturing push of any firearm you currently own or are in want to appease them! The Leftist' shall never rest until (if they have their way) we are completely disarmed and denied our 2nd Amendment Rights....As they continually aide & abet, enable Terrorist Groups, Illegal Aliens and other leftist assholes that want to destroy this Constitutional Republic! I refuse! So should you and everyone else!
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Never EVER think the lefties will ever be just satisfied with taking away "some" of your semi-automatic rifles. They will push and push, then push more. Then comes ammo restriction and background checks so the state knows EXACTLY how much of what type of ammo you buy.
Signed,
A Lifelong Californian
Signed,
A Lifelong Californian
Send it to me. I’ll let it live out it’s golden years in a target rich environment with scheduled hot oil baths and regular checkups. I’ll even send a single shot bolt action BB gun so you will have something to turn in when your local guys in blue or foreign blue hats kick in your door waiving invoices and demanding you comply.
Many folks here have been shot at before while defending your freedom. My friend died last year for it. At least they had the balls to risk all for it.
Are you sure you want to preemptively prepare to surrender it?
Go read William Wirt's LIFE OF PATRICK HENRY and report back when finished.
Are you sure you want to preemptively prepare to surrender it?
Go read William Wirt's LIFE OF PATRICK HENRY and report back when finished.
Just tell them yer not giving up your semi autos or high caps mags. We will not comply...if you convert your AR to a bolt gun they'll just take that in the next pass.
Only option left - form with a 2A Sanctuary County and tell them to go pound sand.
VooDoo
Only option left - form with a 2A Sanctuary County and tell them to go pound sand.
VooDoo
What would George Washington do?
Yet no one is making undocumented mgs/sbrs or ccw without a permission slip where required.
All these laws are unconstitutional horse shit. The 1st, 2nd, 4th etc have been used like toilet paper by the tyrants and the blue enforcers for years and years.
That oath means nothing.
Get ready for more. The .gov, women and minority voters will ensure it.
Responding to that seems like a good way to get banned.
I think he would respond differently than us to things like “safety checkpoints “ and being pulled over for zero reason because your in a truck. Or getting your papers checked with no suspicion of a crime while hunting. Or any of our gun laws.
Lol if you think you are immune to any of this shit. It’s only a matter of time. The commies have reached critical mass.
Can you imagine if someone told him he needed a tag and a license to drive his horse?
I decided to keep it reserved and a more tongue in cheek rhetorical way.
Other things came to mind but you know, cats and all.
People used to wear those wrist bands with WWJD “What would Jesus do”.
I was kind of thinking the same thing only with GW instead.
Me reading the OP
Immediately after reading the OP:
Immediately after reading the OP:
Perhaps, a study of what GW actually DID would be more appropriate.
He came a slight bit later to the party bringing leadership where he saw it was needed......
Leadership and organization.
He was chosen to lead by the participants because he had previously demonstrated ability.
A more apt parallel today would be Mattis stepping into a leadership position and performing as GW did after the balloon went up.
History records GW participated in discourse before a large group of like minded people started the "after discourse" events.
He did NOT act alone in a vacuum....
Someone says responding to this question is a good way to get banned.
Absolutely not, IF properly articulated and fact based off what he actually did totally within the "big" picture, which was 'provide leadership' in a much larger series of events he did not initiate.
His success was predicated by the support he received from a group of backers and from the efforts of many worker bees.....
Rabid venting and poor articulation of personal opinions WILL get you banned off an internet board.... wow..
Proper articulation of the same opinions, invites the same levels of civil discourse that GW and his cohorts were known to have participated in, and which they wrote essays on, that have been carefully preserved, that allow us to know what they discussed.
Today, hostile venting of opinion will get you banned off an internet board.
Back then civil discourse of their opinions could get them jailed or hanged by an ass named Tarlton....
It's a bit different.
But back to the question. GW would join with a group of like minded people and organize, much like the current Virginians are doing. History shows he DID that....
And when it was obvious discourse failed, he participated in a big protest that multiple other people were part of. And that protest led to a declaration of independence and a much much bigger form of protest that ......
Allowed GW to demonstrate previously learned and practiced leadership skills.
Too easy to answer without threat of a ban.... or noose.
You also cannot get around the fact he was educated and knew much, history, and language, and the meaning of parabellum..... it was something he was prepared to do as a last resort. And history records that too....
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He also looked into buying machine guns as president.
Fun fact of the day. Yes, there were machine guns per the ATF definition back in the 1790s.
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Fun fact of the day. Yes, there were machine guns per the ATF definition back in the 1790s.
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https://youtu.be/rCuVMx5h1x0 Joseph Chambers invented a repeating flintlock weapon in the 1790s, and I think it is appropriate to consider it a "machine gun". The design used a series of superposed charges in one or more barrels, with specially designed bullets that has hollow central tubes...
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So here's where I intended this thread to go, but suddenly it turned into politics, gun rights, etc. I posted this to talk about technical aspects, but it gets taken over by those who are all talk, but no action. Go ahead and violate NFA, 922, state law, etc. Lots of people out there are now felon's, and/or currently serving time for violations, but I guess some people here are not afraid of that?
Disclaimer, I do not in any way support any gun control laws that violate the Constitution, or ones Civil Rights, including but not limited to NFA, 922, etc.
Again, this thread was intended to talk about technical aspects, and how to be compliant to current or future laws.
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Well from a technical aspect, I don’t think people want to validate the behavior or habits that show submission to unlawful laws.
The opening post brings to mind turning an AR rifle into a Ruger Precision Rifle. That was my first thought upon reading it.
Possible, I think so.
Simple enough to be worth the time and expense for parts or machine work, I can’t say for certain.
Personally I wouldn’t bother with it.
Possible, I think so.
Simple enough to be worth the time and expense for parts or machine work, I can’t say for certain.
Personally I wouldn’t bother with it.
I'm not a lawyer, nor do I live in a State such as California to know what people are doing to stay compliant, but still have options if the SHTF. Also, this is good knowledge to have if one would have to transverse an area where so called Assault Rifles are banned. It could be as simple as removing a small part, thus creating a bolt action rifle. Yes, there are other aspects to consider such as magazine capacity bans, threaded muzzle's, etc.
IF you turn your one and only AR into a straight pull you are part of the problem.
Now, if you turn just a couple of your AR's into straight pulls to have a rifle that doesn't slap/rattle then how is that showing submission?
I use side pull uppers but that Kali-Key looks interesting, especially for those folks too scared to leave Cali, but not at that price point.
Use a nonstandard configuration on an AR, less than high end parts, the wrong brand optic, SH is not the place to post about it
Now, if you turn just a couple of your AR's into straight pulls to have a rifle that doesn't slap/rattle then how is that showing submission?
I use side pull uppers but that Kali-Key looks interesting, especially for those folks too scared to leave Cali, but not at that price point.
Use a nonstandard configuration on an AR, less than high end parts, the wrong brand optic, SH is not the place to post about it
I guess it also depends how a ban is worded? It could be as simple as separating the upper from the lower?
Unfortunately, it is happening to us all the time in many different ways. Property Rights comes to mind. Or the current Tax laws, most people comply with them, thus validating them.?
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Since the lower is the firearm I wonder if a $40 lower, maybe with some worn out cheap parts you no longer want would qualify for a Gun Buy Back?
How many have different numbers of uppers or lowers?
I assembled some uppers, to swap on around on a few lowers.
If I could get $100 to $200 for a junk parts lower at a buy back,
???
Now, just what to do with an 80% that you screwed up?
Terminology?
Full auto lower, Semi auto upper?
or
Full auto upper, Semi auto lower?
I guess it depends on which part has the
Thing That Goes Up
How many have different numbers of uppers or lowers?
I assembled some uppers, to swap on around on a few lowers.
If I could get $100 to $200 for a junk parts lower at a buy back,
???
Now, just what to do with an 80% that you screwed up?
Terminology?
Full auto lower, Semi auto upper?
or
Full auto upper, Semi auto lower?
I guess it depends on which part has the
Thing That Goes Up
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Since the lower is the firearm I wonder if a $40 lower, maybe with some worn out cheap parts you no longer want would qualify for a Gun Buy Back?
How many have different numbers of uppers or lowers?
I assembled some uppers, to swap on around on a few lowers.
If I could get $100 to $200 for a junk parts lower at a buy back,
???
Now, just what to do with an 80% that you screwed up?
Terminology?
Full auto lower, Semi auto upper?
or
Full auto upper, Semi auto lower?
I guess it depends on which part has the
Thing That Goes Up
I know there are polymer AR lowers out there, but does anyone make a 80% polymer AR lower? That would be really easy, fast, and cheap to convert.
Google "80% polymer AR lower "
I guess the point to this thread is no matter what you do because of political pressure, you are giving in.
Try and beat them with modifications, "they" will change the rules.
I guess the point to this thread is no matter what you do because of political pressure, you are giving in.
Try and beat them with modifications, "they" will change the rules.
I agree with you that they can, and will change the rules. Again, I'm no Lawyer, but if they create a law banning a "bolt action" AR because of features like pistol grip, or accepting a detachable magazine, then suddenly they have created a law that also impact rifles like the Ruger RPR, and almost every rifle used in the PRS and NRL matches because of the move towards chassis systems.
I run a business. I build houses (example). The old hammer and nail slowness cost me lots of money and lost business. Technology produced the nail gun that allows me to be competitive and profitable.
Taking my tools, putting me out of business is not in my business plan.
Such with the AR15. I run a farming operation (currently). The ar platform gives me predator control options a bolt action does not.... on one farm I work with, crop damage was estimated one year at $110,000.00 (professionally estimated), and over the following summer, two ar15's and one ar10 reduced the predator population by 700 units. And reduced the lost production to professionally estimated $35,000.00 from the previous $110,000.00....
Turning those AR's into non suppressor adaptable 5 shot bolt guns is not in my business plan, nor in my best interest.
Yes, I DO know how to do it to successfully comply with those laws.
There are upper receiver and bolt kits that make the ar15 a bolt gun.
California mod to reduce the magazine capacity, bolt gun upper and bolt assembly, replace the barrel with a non threaded barrel (or pin/weld an accepted muzzle device), and install a fixed stock. Too easy.
Then destroy your collapseable stock, old upper, old bolt carrier, and threaded barrel, and get rid of all your high capacity mags.
Because if you keep them, you are in constructive possession of a readily adapted prohibited system.
I'm not interested in being a part of that scenario, so, as long as there are other options to me, I'm taking those, elsewhere.
I choose to live elsewhere, and refuse to be part of a place where my not that small tax dollars are used to screw me over. And which makes me a felon for possessing a tool best suited for my business purposes.
Obviously my perspective is different from the OP.
Yes, there are very easily available parts to make your AR compatible with the laws, but, it's no longer the AR you bought or want. And to try to make it easily convertible back to that desired form is a very short step into felonious. Those laws will see to that.
Absolutely the best to you under those circumstances. Very respectfully and sincerely.
Edited to add, to cover the OP point of being in compliance in case of visiting or traveling through.
I'm not going to be in compliance, so, I'm not going to visit, travel through, buy on line from there, or in any way put $ there.
I CAN do that much in legal protest against them.
If everybody did this, they would be a state that would eventually collapse because the loss of productive people and all the associated monies would get real interesting. It could create opportunities for change.
Taking my tools, putting me out of business is not in my business plan.
Such with the AR15. I run a farming operation (currently). The ar platform gives me predator control options a bolt action does not.... on one farm I work with, crop damage was estimated one year at $110,000.00 (professionally estimated), and over the following summer, two ar15's and one ar10 reduced the predator population by 700 units. And reduced the lost production to professionally estimated $35,000.00 from the previous $110,000.00....
Turning those AR's into non suppressor adaptable 5 shot bolt guns is not in my business plan, nor in my best interest.
Yes, I DO know how to do it to successfully comply with those laws.
There are upper receiver and bolt kits that make the ar15 a bolt gun.
California mod to reduce the magazine capacity, bolt gun upper and bolt assembly, replace the barrel with a non threaded barrel (or pin/weld an accepted muzzle device), and install a fixed stock. Too easy.
Then destroy your collapseable stock, old upper, old bolt carrier, and threaded barrel, and get rid of all your high capacity mags.
Because if you keep them, you are in constructive possession of a readily adapted prohibited system.
I'm not interested in being a part of that scenario, so, as long as there are other options to me, I'm taking those, elsewhere.
I choose to live elsewhere, and refuse to be part of a place where my not that small tax dollars are used to screw me over. And which makes me a felon for possessing a tool best suited for my business purposes.
Obviously my perspective is different from the OP.
Yes, there are very easily available parts to make your AR compatible with the laws, but, it's no longer the AR you bought or want. And to try to make it easily convertible back to that desired form is a very short step into felonious. Those laws will see to that.
Absolutely the best to you under those circumstances. Very respectfully and sincerely.
Edited to add, to cover the OP point of being in compliance in case of visiting or traveling through.
I'm not going to be in compliance, so, I'm not going to visit, travel through, buy on line from there, or in any way put $ there.
I CAN do that much in legal protest against them.
If everybody did this, they would be a state that would eventually collapse because the loss of productive people and all the associated monies would get real interesting. It could create opportunities for change.
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That law has already been here, sunset, and will return in CA. Once the fear group sees how fast and effective those systems are, they will ban them.
They ban now on appearance and function, and if you follow the progression in other gun ban countries, its inevitable that it's coming here, that pattern is in place and working here now.
I’m not immune but in the best place possible. I’m native Texan and found the only better place to go.. Alaska. I’m constantly preparing for what will come and have a few spots already. Im not getting any younger and want the no longer avoidable to happen on my watch rather than my kids.
Someone talking of turning a ar into a bolt action has no business claiming everyone is all talk but no action. Your way behind enemy lines yet you talk of further appeasing those violating the constitution. You talk of “felons” like it means what it used to. You talk about people incarcerated as if our own president was receiving a just justice system. You might as well go to England.
Only if it' a .50 BMG upper:
DO NOT WANT.... My buddy thought it would be a good idea to buy one. My other buddy knew a guy who had one and asked to borrow it. A few weeks later my first buddy decided "fuck all that" after shooting a single round. We made him shoot 10 rounds out of it that were provided to us with the upper...
It may have been pointed out, but under the proposed legislation making it a bolt gun may not help you stay legal. If it accepts a magazine it’s verboten in Virginiastan.
I thought about my previous responses and felt something was left out or missing.
I thought about reasons people would choose to live or stay in CA, benefits, positives/nnegatives, and potential hardships of moving out. Still thinking on that.
But, I did solidify one thought. Addiction and enablers vs tough love.
The gun removers are classic addicts.
People who stay, modify, and tolerate are enablers.
People who make hard choices and leave, despite potential financial hardship or economic downturn, are tough love people.
People who enable often have real reasons for their actions, but in the end, it's worse for all. Lose lose. I've seen people bankrupt themselves enabling an addict and lose everything.
This is so similar.
Sad.
I'm closer to enemy lines then you can imagine (as many already are and don't realize it), and unfortunately I think things will get worse before they get better.
Those who talk the talk, but never act, I understand them, have pity on them, but unfortunately I believe almost everyone has gone down that path to a certain degree. There are many laws outside of just the 2A that are unjust, and even un-Constitutional. I'll use the multiple layers of Tax laws (Federal, State, Local) as an example. 99% of all American's pays those taxes, and much of them without question. So Sir, I say to you. Are you paying Taxes? If so you are just as complicit to the problem as to those who are living in California and comply to those unjust laws.
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I was there once right after 9/11 and before my mil time. It was beautiful but the people ruined it. Just like the Austin’s of texas and the homers of Alaska.. you don’t attack a castle, you surround em and wait em out.
You are 100% right. I pay some taxes. I hold my tongue and don’t give any info. As a 50% disabled vet Alaska will not require me to pay taxes on my house. I was building a underground house that wouldn’t be seen thus not taxed but that’s another story for another day. We all have our rights constantly violated. Te only difference with the 2nd is it is a line in the sand for the majority. You cannot be that one guy standing alone and hope to last long. You must pick your battles..
Also there are areas up here were you don’t pay any taxes. If I got that far off the beaten path though I would be doing it without my wife and kids.
Were I’m at I can get in more trouble for taking a moose “out of season” then I can for killing a man. God gave the animals to man not gov, and God gave us the obligation to provide for our family. He also gave some of us enough smarts to do what needs to be done and not get found out.
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