So tell me which range where they shoot 1500 yards to 3500 yards and they have LA n d to move the targets in any direction where you won't ever shoot the same known or almost known distance is.
I see. The 3 shot match isn’t the same as a regular match. And most of the good shooters didn’t shoot that match. Not to say, going 3 for 3 at the 2900 target at Spearpoint is easy, by any stretch.
It's really simple if you want to get the most out of your 33/37xc then do not use a 1.350 OD action the brand is irrelevant you need an action that is at least 1.450 OD and preferably a Tenon that is at least 1.187 or larger a smart guy would use a Pierce 10x or a comparable action for the XC build cuz that way when you want to upgrade you will already have the action. Now to answer your question about moving the target location from match to match. Spearpoint is the only match where the longest time they were not moving their targets from match to match so if you shot this month next month the targets would pretty much be in the exact same location. My understanding is now they are moving them a few feet but not really enough to make a difference but just be compliant. All of the other matches that I am aware of the match director is moving the targets anywhere from 20 to 40 plus yards compared to their previous match
If you shot enough matches you would realize moving the targets 30yards is irrelevant at those distances. Your data is never the same even throughout the day and the wind is the major factor anyways. You can continue to just complain from the sidelines though it’s always entertaining.
Its not me complaining its the ruling that ko2m set into place for their stupid make no sense ranking system i could care less.
Are shooting at King of 2 Mile this year? You sound like you have a lot of knowledge about these places we shoot at. When was the last match you shot at Spearpoint ? and the Whittington Center in Raton,NM ? I've not been to the Center in several years .
He has shot one match in the years of providing his “expert” opinions.
Here is my Heavy gun.Its a 375 Cheytac on a Stiller Tac Driver 408 1.6
I’m not going to compare my 112 to a custom action but if I thought it would be an issue I would replace it. It’s something I already owned and didn’t want to just toss it out. It has proved more than capable for what I have needed.
Ive seen 7 or 8 in Savage Action in 33XC which DOMINATED the match numbers as the top light gun caliber.Ive got a list of every shooter and which rifle they shot and everything about it.Fot this other guy bto claim its no good there sure are alot of them out there,and winning. Why allof the negativity about it is crazy.And one guy on here claims to be a 28year custom rifle builder..So how many top shooters at these ELR matches are shooting his rifles there.?
And i understand and appreciate that like i said it will work. Have a great life
So dont take my word for it . Call and ask robert vestal or jim borden or john pierce or ryan pierce and ask them if its a great idea . I retired from gunsmithing about the time that elr took off. I only build components now. so have a good night. And dont listen to me any more.
There is almost always a bigger better and usually much more exspensive way to build a rifle. It usually comes down to about 3 things.. #1 The Budget... the Weight...or lack of. #3 And intended use of this rifle.
Every thing that savage does during the manufactoring prosess is to reduce expense. Larger prophet margin and to pass a miniscule sayings to the customer. During that prosess sale a bill of goods that a nut and floating bolt head is better. When it violates all basic principles of high end quality manufactoring and engerneering. And guys love the flavor of their koolaid. Can the savage be modified to be safe with cases like the lapua or xc. Yes marginally
How do you like the 37XC. ? Do you shoot it in The King Of 2 Mile & King of 1 Mile competitions?
By far the best option for standard twist barrels. Very high realistic coefficiency top velocity, fabulous transition
what speed were you running the Badlands and which powder? what twist barreldid you have?
I have built 2 338 Lapuas on Savage LM actions.... DONT WASTE YOUR TIME in trying to make a 33 XC for ELR work.... EVERY savage action has BIG flaws when it comes to TRUE ELR work... 1. I have had the bolts come loose on the scope rails several times from recoil. 2. The bolt camming on cocking and firing is atrosious (This leads to incosistent bolt lock times and higher SD's from shot to shot) This can be addressed, but it will NEVER be as good as a moden purpose built 700 Clone action. 3. DONT use a barrel with a barel nut..... These cartridges create a LOT of force at high pressure and the thinner area of the chamber OUTSIDE of the receiver (especially in a very long 33 XC) can cause the chamber to swell resulting in at best swollen cases/stuck cases and at worst case/barrel ruptures....just DONT do it. IF you MUST use one shoulder a 1.350" diameter barrel just like a Remington 700.... Remeber there are reasons why soem things should not be attempted.
in the last couple years i have actually shot quite a fewSavages..Before then I none,.Growing upoSasvages and Mossbergs were so low end we never even consided ow ong one.I bought Remington,Winchester or Browning.Ive hadnothing but good results with the Savage 110 Elite and the two I12 33 Lm.I turned one to a 33XC..So far its workong out just a good as my opther 33XC built on a Stiller Action.Also built on a Stiller Predator action is my 30 Sherman magnum which was previously a 300 PRC. It doesnt shoot any better or any worse that my 300 Prc Savage 110. Somwhat have I gained or lost.The only differnce is one I built with a Left Hand Gain Twist barrel.
Curious did you use a barrel nut system, also note I didn’t say they wouldn’t work…I wouldn’t waste my time on one tho
To answer your question No, but the engineer side of my brain says I don’t necessarily want too… I have built several savages for myself and customers. I didn’t realize this thread was over 2 years old before commenting. When I think ELR and building a purpose suited rifle to shoot past a mile or more a Savage is far from the top of the list….as I mentioned previously, can it be done? Yes is it going to be AS consistent or AS competitive when compared to the Pierce / Stillers / Cadex actions…. I highly doubt it. Have I built savages that shoot well? Yep recently built one for a customer Model 12 single shot dual port action in 6mm BRA. Had to do a lot of work to get the bolt timing back in order and the trigger to not fill like a ton of bricks. Compared to a BAT M or others…designed for the purpose one shouldn’t waste their time trying to make a Savage something it won’t ever be great at. So laugh all you want, don’t worry I won’t bother the high and mighty here with my opinions again.
Well I finished 5th in Ko1M this year using a Savage 112 single shot action chambered in 33XC. I dropped one shot the entire first day so definitely must have been holding me back
Well good for you , why didnt you finish 1-4th? if were going to rate that as your performance matrix....Notice too YOUR using a 112 SINGLE SHOT, and I bet its in a very nice stock and uses a large diameter barrel. NOT APPLES TO APPLES comparison... What the individual origionaly was talking about was using a repeater 338 LM action for a 33XC ELR build...read my other replies on here...its not that I havent worked on Savages, there are just MUCH better options in my openion....Well I finished 5th in Ko1M this year using a Savage 112 single shot action chambered in 33XC. I dropped one shot the entire first day so definitely must have been holding me back
No I shoulder a 1.20 staight Bartlein left j
At 1st i thought you might be Shane untilyou said your wife needed to be back at school.His wife is a Phamacist and out of school.They live in KS.
Well they don’t make a 112 action that is a repeater only single shot so not sure what you are talking about. You have zero direct experience regarding the question asked giving opinions like fact. No one is arguing a custom action isn’t a nicer option but that wasn’t the question.
