Two sets of dies for two rifles same calibre???

[kujuak]

Just bought a second AI rifle.Got it set up to go try it out and get scope sorted out. Put some my loads from my first AI in. Firsts round in mag, work bolt and can't close the bolt.. First rifle is set up to my satisfaction, got my load settled, real easy to crank out ammo and go shoot. Not really eager to change things to load for my new rifle. Am I crazy, no don't answer that one, I know the answer. Would it be reasonable to have two sets of dies to load for the new rifle? The throat on this rifle barrel I presume is a bit shorter than my first rifle. The first is an AI/AT, the second is an AXC.

 

[Snuby642]

Throat or worse, chamber?
Will it close on empty brass?

Another die set would be a pain to keep isolated but let you get the best out of your reloads.
Isolating brass another hassle.

I'm fl size for that reason in 300blk and 223 but that wont get the accuracy you want
Most likely.

Fire a store round in both and start measuring, shoulder might be different.
If not all you need is a master shell for each gun to set coal quickly on the seater.

Get one of these.
https://www.hornady.com/reloading/p...tools-and-gauges/oal-gauges-modified-cases#!/

 

[918v]

$20 die for a $5000 rifle? I dunno.

 

[Snuby642]

I doubt its the expense just the hassle and opertunity of a mix up.
Load to the tightest shortest chamber and see what it does to your accuracy.
If it remains acceptable you win all the way, no hassle.

My family has 7 different ar's , I ain't gonna sort that.
3 different 300blk, they get fl sized also and same coal per bullet.

My sons want to get some 223 bolt trainers.
I have plans to load for the tightest one and stick something over ar mag length in the hole,
If they get picky .

I have a theory , buy only one gun per caliber and only 1 die for it.
Now if only the same powder would work for all.
Lol
Hope someone turned the tumbler off.

 

[Milo 2.5]

I doubt its the expense just the hassle and opertunity of a mix up.
Load to the tightest shortest chamber and see what it does to your accuracy.
If it remains acceptable you win all the way, no hassle.

My family has 7 different ar's , I ain't gonna sort that.
3 different 300blk, they get fl sized also and same coal per bullet.

My sons want to get some 223 bolt trainers.
I have plans to load for the tightest one and stick something over ar mag length in the hole,
If they get picky .

I have a theary , buy only one gun per caliber and only 1 die for it.
Now if only the same powder would work for all.
Lol
Hope someone turned the tumbler off.

Since I have gotten in LR shooting, for most of the time I have had duplicates. It is rare one sizer fits both, my XC's can utilize one with their current chambers. I also have my Dasher die set for 2, even though I have 3 sizers, but usually you need separate dies.
I always have seating dies dedicated to each gun, easier to remember. Not hard to keep track of dies, brass on the other hand I have to be more vigilant.
Also, I run RL 16 in every 6mm that I shoot.

To the op, buy the 2nd set of dies, it simplifies things. Just give your rifles names, label all associated with each.

 

[yakstone]

Labeling is key, you could also color code. Its not that big of a hassle, just pay attention. Its also easier to keep track of brass if you just take one of those guns to the range at a time.

 

[spife7980]

I would get a second die, it’s not that expensive. Just keep them in separate boxes. Or get a different brand or something and it should be easy to remember.

I have my type s bushing for my precision rounds and I’ve devoted my old traditional fl to ar rounds.

A die is one of the cheaper things in shooting. Even the nice ones are still under 100 bucks and most of them only cost a box or two of ammo.

 

[Milo 2.5]

Labeling is key, you could also color code. Its not that big of a hassle, just pay attention. Its also easier to keep track of brass if you just take one of those guns to the range at a time.

Are you talking to me? The guns I have ammo loaded for make the trip, but you are 100% correct. I've dumped xc brass in with creed brass. X47 brass into the slr bin, blah blah

 

[lightman]

I vote for another die set. It would be pretty easy to label each die set as to which rifle its for.

 

[Dai Bando]

I'd get a second die set and keep brass seperated in 100 round mtm boxes.

Man, some of the advice I read around here almost sounds like some of you guys don't actually shoot.

 

[whiskeysierra762]

Buy a reamer and have your gunsmith chamber all your rifles with your reamer. Then you should have the same chambers.

 

[Milo 2.5]

I'd get a second die set and keep brass seperated in 100 round mtm boxes.

Man, some of the advice I read around here almost sounds like some of you guys don't actually shoot.

Why do you need 100 ct mtm boxes? I do not process brass till whatever I have in service is fired. I have a number of rifles so not having a gun ready is no big deal. I would never have twice fired brass and 4 times fired brass for the same rifle, or a diff lot# of brass.

 

[Milo 2.5]

Buy a reamer and have your gunsmith chamber all your rifles with your reamer. Then you should have the same chambers.

About this, I've been trying for 9yrs and I've had one that was close, one. Implying I find another smith would almost imply the rifles are not accurate either.

 

[spife7980]

Why do you need 100 ct mtm boxes? I do not process brass till whatever I have in service is fired. I have a number of rifles so not having a gun ready is no big deal. I would never have twice fired brass and 4 times fired brass for the same rifle, or a diff lot# of brass.

I use the boxes too, my tumbler cant accept much more than 100 so thats the batch system Ive gone with. And 100 also matches my two reloading trays perfectly.

I still shoot through all the boxes before working it all again to keep the number of firings the same, its just how I keep it all orderly.

I guess I could just dump them all in a big bin and just let the boxes sit there empty until the time comes but ehh, they are fine where they are in the boxes.

 

[J McGriddle]

Buy a reamer and have your gunsmith chamber all your rifles with your reamer. Then you should have the same chambers.

Even if they use the same reamer, I doubt they are going to take the time to make each chamber measure the same over a ball drop. Making them identical is actually pretty difficult.

As for the OP, I think the die would be the cheaper option by far. Maybe run different headstamp brass in each rifle to make things easier.

 

[Dai Bando]

Seperate everything into 100 rd lots then label it.

Easy to do with a set of dies too.

 

[Milo 2.5]

I use the boxes too, my tumbler cant accept much more than 100 so thats the batch system Ive gone with. And 100 also matches my two reloading trays perfectly.

I still shoot through all the boxes before working it all again to keep the number of firings the same, its just how I keep it all orderly.

I guess I could just dump them all in a big bin and just let the boxes sit there empty until the time comes but ehh, they are fine where they are in the boxes.

Sorry, I should have probably stfu on that one, here in our circles, we got away from bins and now use "Butters" boxes in varying sizes, named after a friend we call Butters, he invented them. I can honestly say the lid saves me from myself, lol

 

[Snuby642]

So lets see where we are at.

We toss our barrels
Buy short chambered and custom ream them to match
True the actions, bolts and have them matched
Buy a set of dies for each
Buy separate brass for each
Have separate boxes for each
Prep the brass on diferent days
Shoot the rounds at separate ranges
Wait 6-8 months to get our guns from the smith

Did I miss a step?

Or maybe we could check our chambers and see if one load would ,
still meet expectations at no cost or hassle?

Have got to go sort my tumbling media to the nearest 0.1gr . Lol

 

[Dai Bando]

I'm not after plinking ammo and I don't think the op is either.

 

[Snuby642]

Point is not tossing hassle, time and expense at a problem
That may not need delt with other than a set of master rounds.

Can be that simple.

Maybe not as complicated as to your preferences.

 

[kujuak]

Thanks for the input. I am not altering factory Accuracy international barrels. Factory 308 ammo works perfectly well in new rifle. For my simple minded purposes a set of dies for each rifle is no issue upon reflection. Get the seconds dies set up and viola! load for each rifle. I am already marking my Lapua brass to keep them separate. Ordered the dies, going hunting for two weeks, dies should be here when I get back, then away we go!

Thanks for all your input, I read and considered them all. it was helpful.

 

[Dschapp44]

I load for both bolt actions and semi auto in .223, .308 and 6.5C and use a Redding FL bushing dies with a Redding competition seater for the semi auto and Redding body and and competition neck sizer with Forster seater dies for my bolt guns. I started using just a single seating dies but ended up purchasing a second just for ease of use. I use a Redding T-7 so each caliber has its own turret and found it was just easier to have a second seating die due to the different bullet profiles used.