Sidearms & Scatterguns Two Smith & Wessons are better than one!

layinclose2hell

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I have been reading a lot of negative posts about QC issues, rants and rage about service and products, and I figured I would share some positive news from my home-front. Please note that at no time will I bash a company or product as I believe that every industry, and I have seen plenty in my career, has the occasional oops in product. People as well as machines are not perfect, and never will be. Please do not turn this into a bash-fest, the sole reason for this is to commend the customer service as well as the Performance Center at Smith and Wesson. I firmly believe that a company or a tradesman should be given the chance to correct an issue that arises, and they deserve the respect of being commended for outstanding customer service.
I purchased this Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 38 for the express purpose of simplicity for my wife to use for personal defense. Features included, and the simplicity of a revolver make this snubby a perfect match for her. When I got it home, my wife and myself went over it, and she was dry-firing it to familiarize herself with it prior to heading out to the range. That is when she told me the trigger was “stuck”. I can figure you can guess my reaction… What? A stuck revolver? Sure enough, after inspecting it myself, the locking mechanism and the indexing were locking up the pistol. A quick call to Smith and Wesson, and a return label was next day FedEx’d to my house for return. Not even five days later, I received a call from the Performance Center saying that they could not get the Bodyguard to function correctly, and that they were replacing it with a new one, and that I should receive it within two weeks. Sure enough, eight days later it showed up at my door.

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I was impressed with the level of communication, as well as the commitment to customer service, and standing behind their product. Honestly, this was the first Smith and Wesson product I had ever bought as I primarily carry and shoot Glocks. I also have two 1911’s, one a Springfield Armory Loaded A1 (currently a safe queen), and a Taurus PT1911 that I use as a truck gun, and was in the market for another. This recent interaction with the company weighed heavily on my next purchase. I was shopping for a general use 1911, and came across the SW1911 “E” series. I am no 1911 purest by any means, so things like an external extractor will not cause me not to buy a great gun. I picked it up for a steal, and went to the range. I proceeded to send 200 rounds downrange without a single malfunction, broke it down, cleaned it, and sent another 200 rounds with it functioning perfectly. And by the way, the brass flies out, I mean it was launching when ejected, but extremely consistent. I am currently waiting on a new set of grips to arrive, and I stole a pair of my G10 grips from my box-O-parts. I added a Wilson Combat Stainless Mag-well, and I think I am actually done with this one. The trigger has lightened enough that I can feel a difference over the course of about 600 rounds to date.
I would suggest these for anyone, and I have complete faith in Smith and Wesson’s customer service after my pleasant interaction with them. So, here she is in her current form.

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Maybe some HD Night Sights...
 
Re: Two Smith & Wessons are better than one!

I'm glad they took care of you. Crap happens with anything. Just goes to prove why its a good reason to shoot and finger fuck the hell out of your guns before takin them to the street.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two Smith & Wessons are better than one</div></div>

And a wheel barrel full of Smiths is better then two.

I like Smith & Wessons, I carried one (a model 28) for 20 years. I still shoot them in competition (ICORE).

I can't comment much on their service. I've only delt with the service department twice. The first time I had a Model 25 in ACP and I sent it back to Smith to have a 2nd cylinder made in 45 LC. Beautiful job, worked perfect, and if I remember right it was exceptional turn around time.

The 2nd occasion was when they recalled the Smith's version of the PPK, I sent it back like I was suppose to, they fixed what was broke and returned it post haste.

Based on my limited experience, I'm impressed. But I've had smiths for ever, they just don't seem to break. But if they did, I wouldnt have any problems sending it back.

My next project is to convert my Model 64 to moon clips for ICORE. They're getting the job right after the shooting season.
 
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I was actually thinking about adding a revolver to my classifications for IDPA and to start competing. I am going to be doing some research over the next few months. Any suggestions you might have?
 
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A good cheap pistol for ISPA or ICORE would be the Model 64 Smith. They can be found at J&G sales for less then $300 bucks. I'd recommend finding one that wasn't converted to DA only.

They are fast, reliable, and smooth as a prom queens thighs. Easily converted to moon clips or stick to speed loaders like I did. However, converted to moon clips they still can be used with speedloaders.

Don't let the fix sights scare you, they are good to 50 yards or so. Did I say fast? As old and slow as I am, I can empty mine in 1.53 seconds, that relates to 235 rounds per minute.

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Have you done any work to the hammer as well as the trigger? I found one that I am probably going to pick up locally, and I was thinking about the hammer, and chamfering the cylinders for reloads. I really like the fixed fiber optic front sights, so that is another change.
 
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I did take all the guts out and polish everything possible. I also put on a pair of Pacmyr Presentation grips (not the finger groove ones).

I didn’t change any springs, I wanted positive ignition. No other modifications were done. I didn’t change the sights but did paint the front sight florescent orange. I’m not into fancy modifications and sights on pistols
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I shot a match yesterday and it treated me well. Seems like each time I shoot it I get more impressed. Maybe its because I shoot it so much I’m learning to shoot.
 
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I shoot M&Ps in competition for USPSA and my gun has never let me down. I contacted Smith and Wesson on some springs for the usual after 5000 rounds replacement. They sent everything out and it arrived in ten days after the phone call was made.
They even added a new firing pin and striker. Great CS and easy to get ahold of also.

Nice looking pair of guns above.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did take all the guts out and polish everything possible. I also put on a pair of Pacmyr Presentation grips (not the finger groove ones).

I didn’t change any springs, I wanted positive ignition. No other modifications were done. I didn’t change the sights but did paint the front sight florescent orange. I’m not into fancy modifications and sights on pistols
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I shot a match yesterday and it treated me well. Seems like each time I shoot it I get more impressed. Maybe its because I shoot it so much I’m learning to shoot.
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Thanks for the info. I think I am going to pick one up next week. On to another classifier...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: layinclose2hell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> .......... and that they were replacing it with a new one, and that I should receive it within two weeks. Sure enough, eight days later it showed up at my door............. </div></div>

I have about a dozen different S & Ws. Most are older pre-locks and they are my favorite revolvers.

I am curious about the replacement. Since it seems it was shipped directly to you, does it have a different serial number than the original? I would have thought it would have to be transferred through an FFL if it's a different gun and not the original being returned after repairs.

Just trying to learn, not stirring. Thanks.
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It was shipped directly to me via Smith and Wesson's FFL with signature required from FedEx. There is apparently no issue with it since they distribute under their own FFL which was included on all of the paperwork, and they are replacing a specific unit. I asked the same question of them. I had a copy of my FFL's cert ready to go, but I did not need it to receive the replacement. And the gun does have a different serial number, it is a brand new production. I put 150 rounds thru it the day I received it, and another 100 a couple of days later. To date, I have put 500 rounds thru it without a single malfunction.
 
Re: Two Smith & Wessons are better than one!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: layinclose2hell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It was shipped directly to me via Smith and Wesson's FFL with signature required from FedEx. There is apparently no issue with it since they distribute under their own FFL which was included on all of the paperwork, and they are replacing a specific unit. </div></div>

I realize they shipped it directly to you but if you didn't sign a form that registers the new serial # to you I would be concerned. I don't see how Smith can register the gun to you unless there is some kind of replacement form they send the BATFE to swap serial #'s. Is that even possible?

Does anyone know the answer to this question?
 
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I think it is standard procedure for them. They sent me copies of registration paperwork, serial numbers and explanation and such. I confirmed with them and they said to retain the paperwork that came with the replacement, and it was all taken care of. I believe they have to register the new serial number before they can send it out as a replacement, hence the days wait instead of immediate shipping.

I would imagine that using their FFL, they are able to transfer or sell any weapon, and I would have to figure that a company like Smith and Wesson would get the paperwork right.

I was repeatedly assured there would be no issue, and that it is common practice. I am fine with that as I have all the docs.
 
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That sounds solid. Thanks for the info. I presume they were able to verify your original transfer and register the new serial # to you. Good to know you didn't have to pay for a second transfer.
 
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Apparently there are states that do not require a new transfer for a manufacturer replacement, and Smith and Wesson can take care of it under their FFL. Just to double-check, I just got off the phone with them, and they clarified that it is good to go, and that the required paperwork was completed before they shipped it out.
This conversation does bring up a good point, as there are specific state regulations that they have to follow that I did not know about. I guess the perks to living in Texas keep showing themselves!
 
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I love S&W I have had beyond excellent service with them. They fixed a 340 for me no cost. They also rebarreled a 1911 for 150$ that had been buldged.