typical 5 shot group with my home built 308 Savage.

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Here is a typical 100 yard group with my 308 win built on a Savage model 10. It is one of the rifles I referred to in another post jokingly as my GAS rifle. (Gnats Ass Savage)
I installed a 26 inch prefit barrel from EABCO and bedded it into a H.S. Precision stock with Marine Tex compound. This group was fired with 175 gr Berger vld hunting bullets in Lapua virgin brass with CCI br primers sparking 43 gr of Varget. The scope is a 3-15x50 Weaver Tactical with Mil-Mil Turrets. All the work on this rifle was performed in my living room with a barrel vise and action wrench from MidwayUSA and a Savage locknut tool. I placed a go gauge in the receiver and screwed the barrel down on it until it made good contact with the gauge and set the lock nut. I then made sure it wouldnt bolt on a no-go gauge and I was ready to go. The factory accutrigger on this one tripped at 15 ounces every single time I put the scale on it for ten straight pulls and was left alone. I broke in the barrel with Nosler custom competition factory load 168gr ammo and it shot half inch groups from the get go.
I have built 3 of these in 3 different calibers now and they all shoot like this. On a calm day my 243 win and my 6mm br Norma will do this at 200 yards. If I could afford it I would keep buying Savage rifles and just build them for fun!
Thanks everyone for listening to me brag, and it is nice to have a place to talk about this kinda stuff and people actually understand what you are talking about.

John M.
 

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Thats impossible, savages are cheep and inaccurate.................Grin..................I would build them for fun if I could.
I am a Pure savagest with a touch of tikka just so I aint accused of being a perfectionist.
Well done.
 
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I love my savages, tikkas, custom 700, and a fn spr. They all have pros and cons. My savages are used enough to all be slick enough to run, sure they could eject a little snappier but they have never left an empty in the action. I know what the OP is saying something about ordering a stripped action, barrel, trued lug, trued barrel nut on monday from NSS, along with a trued ptg bolt head and come thursday all the parts show up. Put it together and bed it and by sunday ur doing load work ups. OP,fyi you can use a piece of scotch tape on the bottom of ur go gage to make a rudimentary no go. I like the bolt to close on go and then be fairly hard to close on go+ tape gage. Other option is to cut a bolt face size disc from a .0015-.002" feeler gage. My feeler gage blades are rounded at the end and are perfect to make discs out of, best part is that there is still enough blade left for original feeler gage purpose.
 
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Hey it's redneck, here to piss on someones thread....shocker. I would post plenty of 5x5 targets shot with savage builds. Redneck are u so biased/ignorant that a savage action with a match barrel and good stock is still not able to shoot good to great groups? Sure if the op said his factory rifle shot like this all day long i would have to call bs, but it is a savage based custom. Unfortunately since the change to this forum a year ago i am not computer savvy enough to post pics, otherwise i would post a pic of a 20 shot group from my salvage 6 br. Well since it's a small .422" group(all 20 shots) u probably would say thats bs, and if u saw it happen in person u probably would still not believe it. Did i mention shot #19 added .106 to the group? No way could a savage/ptg/criterion/ aics/ bushy dmr shoot that good off a bipod and bag prone,lol.
Pm ur cell # redneck and I will gladly send pics to u. Sorry for my lack of jpeg attachment skills
 
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6brshooter said:
Hey it's redneck, here to piss on someones thread....shocker. I would post plenty of 5x5 targets shot with savage builds. Redneck are u so biased/ignorant that a savage action with a match barrel and good stock is still not able to shoot good to great groups? Sure if the op said his factory rifle shot like this all day long i would have to call bs, but it is a savage based custom. Unfortunately since the change to this forum a year ago i am not computer savvy enough to post pics, otherwise i would post a pic of a 20 shot group from my salvage 6 br. Well since it's a small .422" group(all 20 shots) u probably would say thats bs, and if u saw it happen in person u probably would still not believe it. Did i mention shot #19 added .106 to the group? No way could a savage/ptg/criterion/ aics/ bushy dmr shoot that good off a bipod and bag prone,lol.
Pm ur cell # redneck and I will gladly send pics to u. Sorry for my lack of jpeg attachment skills
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+1...savage + criterion is a SOLID combo
 
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6brshooter said:
Hey it's redneck, here to piss on someones thread....shocker. I would post plenty of 5x5 targets shot with savage builds. Redneck are u so biased/ignorant that a savage action with a match barrel and good stock is still not able to shoot good to great groups? Sure if the op said his factory rifle shot like this all day long i would have to call bs, but it is a savage based custom. Unfortunately since the change to this forum a year ago i am not computer savvy enough to post pics, otherwise i would post a pic of a 20 shot group from my salvage 6 br. Well since it's a small .422" group(all 20 shots) u probably would say thats bs, and if u saw it happen in person u probably would still not believe it. Did i mention shot #19 added .106 to the group? No way could a savage/ptg/criterion/ aics/ bushy dmr shoot that good off a bipod and bag prone,lol.
Pm ur cell # redneck and I will gladly send pics to u. Sorry for my lack of jpeg attachment skills
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I have a self built Savage that will also consistently shoot this good. Unfortunately, there is more to a good rifle than the spacing of the holes it shoots. After frustration with an inferior trigger design (even with an ostensibly quality aftermarket trigger) and very spotty functioning, I am divesting myself of the rifle, calling it a learning experience and moving on. I tried to keep an open mind about the brand and built the rifle with quality aftermarket parts in order to achieve the best performance possible. I did so in an attempt to save money. Like most things in this world, there are no free lunches and you get what you pay for. If you just need a rifle for belly matches and reliable functioning isnt critical to you, they will work just fine. I just dont fit into that category.
 
#13
I must be the luckiest SOB on the planet, i have owned 10-12 savages over 19 yrs and never had one that wouldn't feed from factory or ai mags. They always extract and eject, except a 308 that i pushed brass too far. Partial case head sep pushed the extractor over, popped it back and extracted the case. Like i said they could eject snappier but i have had more issues with factory 700 trying to feed and eject 223. I must admit my favorite rifle that i can guarantee ragged hole groups is my remage. It's no more a remington than the OP's is a savage. I think it's funny that the same 3 guys that talk shit and piss on savage threads all have the same talking points. Atleast now some can admit they shoot really good, they just don't cycle. Oh well atleast my savage won't AD like big r, lol.
 
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I didnt shoot a five group session that day, as I dont generally shoot paper at one hundred yards too much. I generally shoot steel at 600 yards and 1000 on my own range. However when I do sit down at the bench and shoot off a rest at 100 yards and the wind is still like it was on this day, this is typically what happens every time. Maybe you are used to telling a partial truth and think everyone does the same, but I do not. I have a friend that has a GAP in 308 that wont hang with it, but then again it might if I or someone else was shooting it.
Hell maybe I just got lucky and assembled a hummer, but I got lucky 3 times in a row. Maybe one day I will get the itch on a windless day and shoot 5 groups for you on one target
so you can feel better.

Thanks for the comments everyone even you redneck as I wouldnt believe it either probably if I didnt see it.
 
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Krummarine I have a Weaver Tactical 3x15x50 with mill mill turrets on this one. I got all 3 of my Savage actions from 2 model 10's and a model 11 rifle bought from Dicks Sporting goods.
 
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6brshooter said:
I must be the luckiest SOB on the planet, i have owned 10-12 savages over 19 yrs and never had one that wouldn't feed from factory or ai mags. They always extract and eject, except a 308 that i pushed brass too far. Partial case head sep pushed the extractor over, popped it back and extracted the case. Like i said they could eject snappier but i have had more issues with factory 700 trying to feed and eject 223. I must admit my favorite rifle that i can guarantee ragged hole groups is my remage. It's no more a remington than the OP's is a savage. I think it's funny that the same 3 guys that talk shit and piss on savage threads all have the same talking points. Atleast now some can admit they shoot really good, they just don't cycle. Oh well atleast my savage won't AD like big r, lol.
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Nowhere will you find any posts where I shit on a Savage thread and didnt do so here. Nor did I talk any shit. Just gave an honest opionion of my actual experiences with one. If that is a problem for you, that says nothing whatsoever about me, but does say volumes about you. Not everone is a blind fanboy. Get over yourself.
 
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amax said:
I didnt shoot a five group session that day, as I dont generally shoot paper at one hundred yards too much. I generally shoot steel at 600 yards and 1000 on my own range. However when I do sit down at the bench and shoot off a rest at 100 yards and the wind is still like it was on this day, this is typically what happens every time. Maybe you are used to telling a partial truth and think everyone does the same, but I do not. I have a friend that has a GAP in 308 that wont hang with it, but then again it might if I or someone else was shooting it.
Hell maybe I just got lucky and assembled a hummer, but I got lucky 3 times in a row. Maybe one day I will get the itch on a windless day and shoot 5 groups for you on one target
so you can feel better.

Thanks for the comments everyone even you redneck as I wouldnt believe it either probably if I didnt see it.
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Nice group! I'm a little confused as you say "i didn't shoot a 5 shot group that day". And then say "I got lucky three times." So is it a 5 shot group as the thread title suggest or a 3 shot group. Just curious....
 
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No jammer it was the third and last several sentences. So u monkied around on one savage and it didn't feed right or had an inferior trigger, that makes ur experience a statistical blip on the radar. My post was just relaying my experience with more then just one savage. Fanboi, get it right lol. I got 4 savages, 4 rem, 2 tikka, and a fn spr a3g. All have been worked over except the fn. That rifle is perfect out of the box, except its 308 instead of 6.5 cm or 243 fast twist. Not really a super fanboi. Sorry u got a turd savage, ur experience is just that, ur experience . I have had the opposite of that. I feel that when the same guy or guys come and shit on a thread i should speak of my experience with savage. I did not necessarily aim that at u, more so for redneck, sorry no blood no foul.
 
#23
Yeah redneck, thats ur same old question that u put up on every savage thread. I don't suppose u put those questions to somebody that just got a gap/gradous/rws/sac build that shows one 5 shot group? If somebody claimed their homebuilt savage was the most accurate rifle on the planet then i get the lets see 5x5. Most guys can't shoot5 ragged hole groups on one target, savage or gap, atleast not target after target. Do not confuse this as a slight to any big smiths listed, their rifles are great.
 
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The picture was taken close up for detail because my phone dont zoom. I guess I wasnt thinking about getting called out on my groups. If you had bet you would have lost though, because it was the only group on the target. When I took picture I wasnt thinking about having to defend it in the court of the online forum.

Excuse me guys for being a non paranoid dumbass that can steer a rifle.
 
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Amax, no need to apologize, even if u showed 5 small groups on one target it still wouldn't suit some here. How does that eabco clean up and is it SS or CM? Was not aware they offered prefits but it looks like it's getting the job done, congrats on a fine rifle. Which hs did u use, the varmint/sendero or the vertical grip model?
 
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6brshooter said:
Yeah redneck, thats ur same old question that u put up on every savage thread. I don't suppose u put those questions to somebody that just got a gap/gradous/rws/sac build that shows one 5 shot group? If somebody claimed their homebuilt savage was the most accurate rifle on the planet then i get the lets see 5x5. Most guys can't shoot5 ragged hole groups on one target, savage or gap, atleast not target after target. Do not confuse this as a slight to any big smiths listed, their rifles are great.
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Sorry dude but when you claim it's typical as in more likely then not then where the fuck are the rest of these typical groups? Especially when you consider the way most people shoot those sight in style targets are center first then left to right, top to bottom.

Like I said, show me it's typical. Not what was likely the last group fired on the target. At least show a few cherry picked groups from several targets.
 
#28
I didnt shoot five groups that day, just the one as I shot the rest at steel at 600 and 1000. I built 3 savage rifles like this one in 308 win, 243 win, and 6mmbr norma. They will all shoot like this on a calm day.
 
#29
I know what my rifle will shoot as do my friends. I dont need to show some poor attitude stranger with jealousy issues anything to satisfy myself. So I'm done with you on this topic, as ass you are obviously just a crap stirring troll with a foul mouth and attitude to match. It must really suck to live with your attitude.

Have a nice day
 
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Ok I will lower myself once more for punishment. I had another picture on my phone I had to hunt for just for you. You wont like it either though because its not a 5 shot group and it was shot at 200 yards which I actually dont know whether or not is typical group at that distance. According to my notes it was with 168s instead of 175 too.
 

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#33
Being an Ethical Hunter, It's always the first shot that counts to me, regardless of the brand of rifle I'm shooting at the time.
Firing four more shots at a target after that is just wasted ammo.
Good luck with the rifle.
 
#34
Shoots raises a good point about first rd importance but load consistency is just as important as cold bore shot. I laugh when i read people's responses about group shooting on this forum. " shooting small groups is boring" and" it's a waste of ammo" are phrases used by people to insulate themselves from inability. Not to pick on shoots100, but lets say to take ur huntin rifle out and u hit a milk jug at 100 with handload, looks good lets hit the woods. That load might have a es 150 and show vertical at 300 that misses a deer completely, but "i hit the target every time". A good group is nothing more then a good rifle set up for a good shooter with proper developed loads, something everyone that target shoots or hunts should strive for. Whether its 10 shot group or 10 dot drills, the concept is the same stack all rds on center. Personally i find dot drills easier then group shooting, i tend to fuck up the 5th or the shot closer to the end of a 5, 10, or 20 shot string. Something about putting all rds into a bughole causes me to let my skills get sloppy, I guess just trying to will it in.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
Cool. Let's see the other four groups on that target. Or are they not very impressive?

Is 20% of the time often enough to say its typical, or will it typically shoot a good group 20% of the time?
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redneckbmxer24 said:
No thread shitting, just pointing out that one group doesn't mean a damn thing. Like I said, I'd bet there are more less impressive groups on that target.
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redneckbmxer24 said:
Sorry dude but when you claim it's typical as in more likely then not then where the fuck are the rest of these typical groups? Especially when you consider the way most people shoot those sight in style targets are center first then left to right, top to bottom.

Like I said, show me it's typical. Not what was likely the last group fired on the target. At least show a few cherry picked groups from several targets.
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redneckbmxer24 said:
Awwww Mr.Onegroupwonder got called out and got his panties in a twist. Sorry man but if you're going to make a thread to brag about your typical groups then you should be prepared to back it up.
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You must have taken up shooting after your piss poor attitude got you knocked the fuck out at the local trails every time you went out to ride. I see your posts in the savage threads, your typing comes across obnoxious like an angry little douche. If you have something to contribute that is positive, go ahead and post, otherwise just shut up.
 
#37
Sorry 6br I had this pain in my ass last night and didnt notice your question about the EABCO and the stock. The EABCO cleans up with about 6 patches after 20-30 rounds and doesnt show a lot of copper at all. It has a mirror smooth appearance to it, but never looked through a borescope. The HS precision is the vertical grip model bought from Stockys. My 6mm br has the HS varmint tactical on it with a McGowan prefit. It will clean up with 3-4 patches and on a still day will shoot easily into the 3's. I have several one hole groups shot with it at 200 yards, but forgive me if I dont post any, because I have never shot five five rd groups with it either, and dont want to hear the pessimistic group envy comments.
 
#38
The vertical grip stock is pretty comfortable stock from prone. I'm putting a stainless target action repeater together now. 22" varmint contour criterion in 6 br 1-8". Got a hs varmint stock and cdi bm in the closet, bed it into that, should be a handy yote calling rig and 1 k steel banger.
 
#41
Yea I guess I should take his advice and just start taking pictures of all my groups and maybe he will keep his mouth shut, but I doubt it.
On another note though I am not brand loyal to anything including rifles, optics, or anything else, but it was really fun and impressive what can be done with an inexpensive rifle and a few wrenches basically. However I was feeding it premium components and 30 years of experience at precision experimentation.
 
#42
Did some one say typical
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You got and fine shooting home build amax, but I understand redneck's questioning. When I hear typical, generally or all day long I think "what a pile of manure" when it’s a pic of one group.
 
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Niles Coyote said:
Did some one say typical

You got and fine shooting home build amax, but I understand redneck's questioning. When I hear typical, generally or all day long I think "what a pile of manure" when it’s a pic of one group.
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Niles and RedNeck
What constitutes 'typical'? If 1 five round group does not make suffice does 3 five round groups? 8 five round groups?

Point well taken on showing one group and calling it the norm and, frankly, if I walked off the range and had 8 consecutive 5 shot groups like you picture I would be pretty happy. Seems like most agree is a group at 5 but not 3 rounds so what is the threshold for the number of groups to make 'typical'?
 
#44
Savage actions are clunky, sure, but they do shoot well. I have a couple of them and actually prefer a savage target accutrigger to my stock remingtons. Zero creep and pull weight is in the ounces. Now I don't know about what design is actually superior, but from a shooters standpoint, they seem hard to beat.

OP, nice shooting.
 
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Pester said:
Niles and RedNeck
What constitutes 'typical'? If 1 five round group does not make suffice does 3 five round groups? 8 five round groups?

Point well taken on showing one group and calling it the norm and, frankly, if I walked off the range and had 8 consecutive 5 shot groups like you picture I would be pretty happy. Seems like most agree is a group at 5 but not 3 rounds so what is the threshold for the number of groups to make 'typical'?
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At one time, in the not so distant past here on the hide, there was a rule handed down from LowLight that no pics of groups were allowed unless it was five groups of five rounds or one group of ten unless it was reloading related and dealing with load development issues. Those rules have been relaxed...

I don’t speak for [MENTION=4375]redneckbmxer24[/MENTION] but when one states this is typical or the norm for a rifle/shooter does one pic of one group of 3 or 5 prove that to you? Keep in mind this is the internet where we are all half moa shooters or better from any position in any weather when we do our part.

To the OP: Again, I say you have a nice shooting rifle. Being a self assembler of a Remington and a clone, I enjoyed hearing about your experience with the build. If this is typical performance for you and your rifle I would encourage you to start competing in whatever discipline you find enjoyable as you will do well and the experience will only make you a better shooter.
 
#46
I still love how I called the OP put for the single "typical" group and it automatically turned into a savage vs everything else deal. You guys are too much. I don't give a damn if it's a H&R handy rifle, cherry picked groups don't prove a thing.
 
#47
I didnt cherry pick anything I gave you the only pictures I had. I shot 5 rifles that day and that was the only five shots on paper in the 308 and yes it is typical of what that particular rifle will do. You dont have to believe it if you dont want to thats your perogitive, I just take offense at being called a liar as I wasn't trying to hide anything, but simply taking a pic of a typical no wind group from that rifle. I guess I shouldnt have stated the fact and we could have all been happy little children. I apologize for being forthright and honest my bad.
I did however post the only other group I had a pic of from that rifle which happened to be a 10 shot group at 200 yards which wasn't bad or I thought anyway. I guess instead of concentrating on shooting I need to be snapping more pics so I can convince someone who dont mean crap to me that my rifle typically shoots one hole groups in calm conditions. I feel sort of sleezy just responding to you so many times.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
I still love how I called the OP put for the single "typical" group and it automatically turned into a savage vs everything else deal. You guys are too much.
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Not atypical for a thread you participate in that has "Savage" in the title...but yup, you didn't comment on the type of rifle, simply asked for confirmation of groups. Not an unreasonable request given the "typical 5-shot group" claim...but you gotta admit, if somebody posted a similar single group photo from their GAP/Cross/Roscoe/Soulie/Dixon/AI/TRG/etc. rifle and said it was "typical" people wouldn't be quite as spring-loaded to say "Where's the other four groups?"

I have personally found shooting 5 5-shot groups in succession to be humbling; my experience has been operator error leads to blowing at least one group shot like that moreso than the rifle's pure mechanical accuracy. I guess that's what practice (regardless of the type of action used) is for, eh?
 
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amax said:
Ok I will lower myself once more for punishment. I had another picture on my phone I had to hunt for just for you. You wont like it either though because its not a 5 shot group and it was shot at 200 yards which I actually dont know whether or not is typical group at that distance. According to my notes it was with 168s instead of 175 too.
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Again, Wow! Thanks for condescending to post another fabulous group. I really enjoy seeing groups like this posted, and I think everybody ought to enjoy it. I don't know what harm your great-shooting rifles are causing anyone else. So, anyway, thanks a lot. It's encouragement for me to see that it can be done. Also, just as an aside, the vertical spread on that 200 yard group is dang near zero. I'd say the rifle/ammo/shooter combo has more than proven itself. Also, I've had to send back one Savage I owned and one I worked on had to be sent back, for bent barrel; but Savage replaced both of those with hummers, and the beauty of them is what you say: They don't cost a fortune, and they've got the barrels, stocks, and triggers we all want to have - that is to say, first rate. Nobody at an F-class match laughs at a shooter next to him with a Savage F/TR, and there is not another manufacturer who supports the accurate shooting fun with as many models as Savage, not even close.
Jim
 
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