UBR or PRS again

GillJr

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I know this has been discused. I have a question for the iron sight shooters. I like a cheek weld with the tip of my nose is on the charging handle. Hopefully I can get the Vortex Pst 50mm obj. low enough for this. But will the PRS allow for this cheek weld?

I had been leaning toward the PRS because of the hook design but fear the cheek riser is to far back.

What is your experience.
 
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The UBR is a great stock. I love it. I like the looks and features of the PRS, but I think for the majority of the time, the UBR would fill the role better. Or the good old A2...
 
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I've got both will say if you do alot of shooting with a rear bag get the PRS. I like the UBR better for everything else.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: justme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got both will say if you do alot of shooting with a rear bag get the PRS. I like the UBR better for everything else. </div></div>

Definitely for the rear bag the PRS wins.

The PRS can suck if you want to put your eye really close as it may put the edge of the cheekrest into a tender spot on your face which is unpleasant in recoil. My PRS is the .308 version so the rest is a bit further back for the longer BC, and you do have to adjust to it.

The UBR for me is an awesome carbine stock, but it's got its own set of limitations and the lack of an adjustable rest is a downside. I love it with my ACOG though.

For precision rifle shooting I don't think there are better options, even if the PRS isn't perfect.
 
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There are a lot of options for precision shooting. Most of them aren't tactical though, and most aren't especially easy to find. EGW makes a really nice adj. stock, looks like it would be at home on a space gun. Don't think you could make one much lighter. This would give you a fully adj. rear xyz, but the buffer tube/stock top doesn't move or change. The buffer tube looks like it slides into a cheek rest and that doesn't move. No problem getting the nose on the charging handle, and it is approved for NRA Hi-power. You could probably make (or maybe they make) or attach some kind of additional rest if desired, like perhaps duct tape a piece of foam pad. We used to do that with A2's sometimes.

Which brings me to A2's. They are hard to beat with irons on the AR! Unless you are shorter and/or prefer the A1. I mean, they were made for that, and the nose to the charging handle, that is part of the training doctrine. I find myself doing it from time to time with certain rifles.

When it came to building my 20" 6.5 Grendel recently, I wanted the "perfect SDM rifle" as I used to be an SDM instructor in '03 and I always thought the ACOG on the M4 to be sub-par. I kept it as .mil as possible, but used really great parts, especially inside. I considered the PRS, the UBR, and ultimately, the A2. The rifle will wear a scope, but it has irons too, the KAC flip ups, and they are similar in geometry to factory fixed irons. Now I have a PRS on an FAL and it has the problem you speak of --since the cheek rest isn't adj. in the x axis as you look at it from the side, you cannot get your face closer to the action. The closest you can get is an unstable and uncomfortable "weld" where the front point of it is dug into your cheek. They really need to make a gen.2 version where the cheek rest is redesigned to be adj. in xyz axes.

The UBR looked like it would do it, and it certainly is stable, but for the price and weight (it is heavy, as is the PRS, and costly, as is the PRS) I went with the A2. And I am perfectly happy with it. I've been using it for a long time and so I am really comfortable with it. There are no adjustments, but then again, I don't need 'em on this rifle. I'm tall enough, 6' or so, so the A2 works fine as does the A1 for me.

VLTOR and some other company make a stock that looks like the SOPMOD stock, but fixed instead of collapsing. Think a loooong SOPMOD stock (with loooong battery comparments!). So the length of the A2 (and/or A1 I think also) but with the superior cheek weld of those SOPMOD stocks.

For tactical adj. stocks, for shorter barrels than 20", I really like the LMT SOPMOD. I have 3, two LMT's and one B5. I don't particularly like any of the knockoffs by Magpul or VLTOR or even the B5 that is pretty damn close and $100 cheaper (and perfect for most carbines with a collapsing stock, but not for "shooters"). The LMT kit that comes with the stock and the buffer tube with buffer and spring and small parts, it actually locks up nearly as good as a fixed stock! And the cheek weld, at least for me, is just great. I don't like my carbine extended far, so if I want my nose on the handle and half my cheek firmly on the stock, I can do so. I noticed the B5 kit doesn't lock up as tight, but the stock will on the LMT buffer tube. So not all "mil-spec" is created equal. Those stocks are also a lot cheaper on a complete, factory assembled LMT Defender 2000 with standard trigger (I usually put in a Geissele and change out the grip and trigger guard with Magpul parts, but it is an extremely well made lower and saves me the trouble of putting it together myself).

This is my tactical rifle, the 6.5G, were it strictly for formal competitions, I'd go with that EGW stock for sure, along with JP guts (which the Grendel has; the JP Tactical bolt carrier is the bees knees, and their upper and lower small parts are some of the best made).

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BTW, I used a Larue SPR-S and Leupold Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36/M1. Same as the SPR M4 mount, but it has an extra 10MOA built in. Their QD mounts are really, really nice, and considering the size of your obj., one of those may work for you. If you call with your info, they can tell exactly how it will fit and what will work and what won't. Just some info I learned, the Leupold Mk4 eyepiece will clear the KAC and KAC micro 600m rear flip sights in this Larue mount, but it will not clear the ARMS 40 series. Not sure how the USO will work out, but we'll see...

Sorry so longwinded, hope it helps some, had nothing better to do at the moment. Been down this road and built a lot of these rifles, and everyone prefers different stuff, so this is just my own preferences.
 
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Thanks guys for the good info. Strykervet that is a good right up.

I am considering getting the A2 stock until I decide, or just keep the A2 if it works with the scope. It will be going on a 20in barrel which will shoot from the prone mostly. But still want the setup to be a little versatile.
 
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I have a PRS that will be replacing the UBR on my 18" 6.8. If you plan to do some LR target/steel shooting, go with the PRS, the adjustments are awesome.

I might put the UBR on a shorter 6.8 but might sell it also, that booger is heavy. I like the CTRs better for a all around good stock.

You could always go with a A2 stock and build up the cheek weld with material.
 
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PRS cheek rest is too far back for NTCH. Unfortunately it is also too close to be out of the way, so half the cheek is on the stock and the other half on the cheek rest, with the edge rubbing into the face. This is definitely worse than no cheek rest.

You shouldn't need a raised cheek rest anyway unless you have really high cheek bones or an unusually high scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you plan to do some LR target/steel shooting, go with the PRS, the adjustments are awesome.</div></div>
Maybe I'm incorrect, but last I checked, the UBR can adjust to be shorter than the PRS or longer than the PRS. The PRS range of adjustment is very small. UBR is much more flexible in this respect.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could always go with a A2 stock and build up the cheek weld with material.</div></div>
I don't think you can just build up material on the A2 stock. Unless you have an exotic upper, you have to keep the path clear for the charging handle, which is the entire reason why the PRS cheek rest is too far back.
 
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I have both, and I love both. The UBR is the best carbine stock that can pinch hit as a dmr stock imho. The prs is a dedicated role stock for me. I love them both, and will keep them both, for differant reasons.

once my carbine is hitting consistantly out to the same ranges with the same loads as my dmr, then it will phase out the dmr...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GillJr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like a cheek weld with the tip of my nose is on the charging handle.</div></div>

IMO neither were designed for that. They're designed for people who want an adjustable cheek piece with the use of optics and sight relief. You'd be better off stick with a good ole A2 and saving the coin or going the direction of a LMT SOPMOD.
 
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UBR without a doubt. The UBR has enough material near the storage compartment to treat it like a butthook. It's a really good all around stock in my opinion.
 
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Another big benefit of the UBR is the WEIGHT. I know that sounds crazy, but bear with me. I hate heavy rifles as much as the next guy, but the only thing worse than a heavy rifle is a front heavy rifle. I would much prefer a rifle that was well balanced and a pound heavier than a rifle that weighed a little less, but was front-heavy.
 
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Me personally I've used both and the UBR just works better...I too use NTCH and the UBR is perfect for that...good consistent cheek weld yields good consistent shooting...I'm running a SWFA 10X on Burris X-Treme low mounts on a YHM 1/2" riser...awesome setup out to 600-700 yrds. The scope now is MOA...switching soon to Mil/Mil SWFA and might go to 16X...I'm shooting Turkish milsurp 77gr...I've shot lots of different ammo but stumbled on this...it shoots .25-35" at 100 out of my barrel with a 7tw...when I found this out by accident (shooting a friends ammo)I went out and bought 100 rounds and got the same results, then bought 3K rounds of the same lot#...concerned with consistency I pulled 30 rounds out of each ammo crate to test and no difference that I could tell...so I'm set for a while...

Heads to 300 and torso's to 700 even in a wind...



Capt Beach
 
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GillJr said:
I know this has been discused. I have a question for the iron sight shooters. I like a cheek weld with the tip of my nose is on the charging handle. Hopefully I can get the Vortex Pst 50mm obj. low enough for this. But will the PRS allow for this cheek weld?

I had been leaning toward the PRS because of the hook design but fear the cheek riser is to far back.

What is your experience.
I have PRS stocks on 3 of my AR's. I also feel the cheeck riser is to far back to get my nose on the charging handle unless I move the scope back which on a rifle with an ACOG isn't possible.