Ukraine war Bullshit.

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Sweet comeback. Typical faggotry from someone with no argument to some truth lol
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what I absofuckinglutely love is that the propagandists think they are winning people over to their arguments. But in reality, everyone is so sick of their bullshit and weak lies that anything they say is rejected on the spot as soon as they type a sentence. they push everyone in the opposite direction from what they intended.

So good job, you make people sympathize with Russia better than a dozen FSB assets would have done, because you show us the real Ukraine - cowardly, grifting, dimwitted liars who can't stand on their own without billions in US money and weapons and direct assistance from "advisors" propping them up.
 
What are the strategic implications of allowing Ukraine to develop an entirely domestic cruise missile program which destroys your oil production capabilities and kills FSB officers deep inside the puccia???


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There's not enough brain power in Ukraine to develop bicycle building program nevermind a long range missile program. I should paraphrase that. Indigenous brain power nor the manufacturing abilities.
Anyone that believes that they do is a retard.
 
There's not enough brain power in Ukraine to develop bicycle building program nevermind a long range missile program. I should paraphrase that. Indigenous brain power nor the manufacturing abilities.
Anyone that believes that they do is a retard.
That's a bold, unsubstantiated and predictably ignorant claim you've made, care to back it up? Ukraine, to people who can locate it on a map, has been known for their engineering and manufacturing. Here's one company that's making ebikes marketed for military use. My previous post was the recently unveiled flamingo missile that's yeeting zigger spooks and oil refineries. It's apparent you have no idea what you're talking about there's no need to keep driving the point buddy.

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Lol, lmao even, you didn't build those yourselves.
That gay photo op from the "factory" was from a fucking rental warehouse, and the missiles are developed and built in the UK.
UK is probably just afraid of getting flak when you use it to bomb some more civilian targets like you love to do.
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Lol, lmao even, you didn't build those yourselves.
That gay photo op from the "factory" was from a fucking rental warehouse, and the missiles are developed and built in the UK.
UK is probably just afraid of getting flak when you use it to bomb some more civilian targets like you love to do.
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So you're aware those publicly released photos are from a gay photo op and not the actually factory, correct? And your assumption that the Neptune missile that was upgraded into the flamingo, is UK designed and manufactured is based on your woman's intuition and vibes? Are puccian gerans made in Iran too?
 
So you're aware those publicly released photos are from a gay photo op and not the actually factory, correct? And your assumption that the Neptune missile that was upgraded into the flamingo, is UK designed and manufactured is based on your woman's intuition and vibes? Are puccian gerans made in Iran too?
Sure, you might assemble the kits from UK, literally just the fucking wings.
Neptune missile, are you smoking your own dried shit?
Not related to the "flamingo" at all, two completely different designs.
These both predate your shit, and your own country now lists it as FP-5, you bought kits from britain and posted it as your own for some propaganda victory.
 
Sure, you might assemble the kits from UK, literally just the fucking wings.
Neptune missile, are you smoking your own dried shit?
Not related to the "flamingo" at all, two completely different designs.
These both predate your shit, and your own country now lists it as FP-5, you bought kits from britain and posted it as your own for some propaganda victory.
My bad, I stand corrected, they're totally different missiles
 

Several papers out there regarding them having some pretty impressive programs to up-armor the older tanks and install modernized detection/targeting mods including EO/Thermal.

Overtly moving assets like this is also a valuable signal to western Europe that they have plenty of steel and manpower they are happy to utilize should the EU decide to FAFO
 
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Several papers out there regarding them having some pretty impressive programs to up-armor the older tanks and install modernized detection/targeting mods including EO/Thermal.

Overtly moving assets like this is also a valuable signal to western Europe that they have plenty of steel and manpower they are happy to utilize should the EU decide to FAFO
They have put a lot of effort into modernization no doubt. I don’t think the EU as a whole will jump. They are more than happy to hold the proverbial carrot on a stick out in front of Ukraine but not fully get involved. Let them suffer the majority of the consequences. But if they did, I believe Russia armor would end up looking about like Saddam’s forces after desert storm. EU united has a hell of an Airforce

Back to the tanks, Russian industrial output can not keep up with current losses. I believe they can build a little less than 100 new main battle tanks per year, around 350 infantry fighting vehicles or thats about what I remember reading on the ISW site.

Satellite imagery of their tank storage facilities seems to indicate they are losing them at an unstainable rate. They are at a net loss unless some other country with a massive manufacturing capability starts handing out armor. Which I pray doesn’t happen.
 
But if they did, I believe Russia armor would end up looking about like Saddam’s forces after desert storm. EU united has a hell of an Airforce
Would be interesting.
I don't think the EU has the experience with armor busting compared to the US from Iraq. Yes there were some coalition elements in that airspace but they were mostly running CAP and some suppression sorties.

I'm pretty sure that the Russian Federation was just one of many watching the methods used in Iraq. Perhaps that along with the proliferation of effective drone deployment are reasons they aren't putting a lot of R&D and production dollars into new armor programs.

Back to the tanks, Russian industrial output can not keep up with current losses. I believe they can build a little less than 100 new main battle tanks per year, around 350 infantry fighting vehicles or thats about what I remember reading on the ISW site.
Even at the reported output numbers, Russia would have more production capability than the entire EU.
Germany and France are trying to ramp up armor and artillery production but their manufacturing base is heavily eroded in areas that cannot be quickly rebuilt. Not just the production facilities but the raw material logistics and just as important, the skilled workforce needed.

In my opinion Russia has an underestimated or at least purposefully underreported industrial and technical capacity. They still have the ability to surge production within their own borders. You can bet that even though Putin doesn't trust Xi, Russia has a solid Plan B they could tap for Chinese armor that can be quickly made compatible with standard Russian systems.

We have to all be cautious of what is openly reported. Just a year ago, western MSM was joking and pointing that Russia couldn't field but 4 of the new Felons. Turns out they have over 4 dozen already in the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces. They are on track to deliver the first export versions to Algeria and N.K. before the end of this year.

They have already surged their Fullback production to build past the 200 they already have flying. The SU-34 is recognized by everybody as one of the most capable attack fighters in the world and definitely has the longest range of any including our own Strike Eagles.

Their expertise and capabilities in global submarine operations and leading edge missile programs are close to or equal to the US in several areas.

I would think the same calculated thought processes are in play with their armor and anti-armor programs.

There are a lot of things Russia isn't but they are united, creative and manage to do a lot with very little sometimes. The West painting them as suckers is an unwise move in my opinion.
 
Would be interesting.
I don't think the EU has the experience with armor busting compared to the US from Iraq. Yes there were some coalition elements in that airspace but they were mostly running CAP and some suppression sorties.

I'm pretty sure that the Russian Federation was just one of many watching the methods used in Iraq. Perhaps that along with the proliferation of effective drone deployment are reasons they aren't putting a lot of R&D and production dollars into new armor programs.


Even at the reported output numbers, Russia would have more production capability than the entire EU.
Germany and France are trying to ramp up armor and artillery production but their manufacturing base is heavily eroded in areas that cannot be quickly rebuilt. Not just the production facilities but the raw material logistics and just as important, the skilled workforce needed.

In my opinion Russia has an underestimated or at least purposefully underreported industrial and technical capacity. They still have the ability to surge production within their own borders. You can bet that even though Putin doesn't trust Xi, Russia has a solid Plan B they could tap for Chinese armor that can be quickly made compatible with standard Russian systems.

We have to all be cautious of what is openly reported. Just a year ago, western MSM was joking and pointing that Russia couldn't field but 4 of the new Felons. Turns out they have over 4 dozen already in the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces. They are on track to deliver the first export versions to Algeria and N.K. before the end of this year.

They have already surged their Fullback production to build past the 200 they already have flying. The SU-34 is recognized by everybody as one of the most capable attack fighters in the world and definitely has the longest range of any including our own Strike Eagles.

Their expertise and capabilities in global submarine operations and leading edge missile programs are close to or equal to the US in several areas.

I would think the same calculated thought processes are in play with their armor and anti-armor programs.

There are a lot of things Russia isn't but they are united, creative and manage to do a lot with very little sometimes. The West painting them as suckers is an unwise move in my opinion.
I would not paint them as suckers either, but the Europeans are still not totally lost, but I hear you on the manufacturing points and don't disagree.

On the aircraft, Last I checked Russia had around 2 Squadrons of Felons or around 24 active, but that has been a while since I have looked, didn't know they had those kinda numbers yet.

While that was mainly US in Iraq, EU have the tools to do it, and they have recently gotten a kick in the pants to think about it.

I personally do not believe the SU-34 would fair well, even with the Felon, Flankers and Foxhounds out there flying CAP. There is enough stand off range in modern western missiles they would have a lot of trouble using the FABs like they are near the front lines and that is something the Fat Amy has been designed to do. We just witnessed it over Iran when Israel did their thing. I am not aware of them taking a single loss to enemy fire. While I know Iran is not Russia, just saying.

IMO the issue Russia runs into is they are still trying to catch up from the Soviet collapse, they fell way behind. They do not sell jets like they did 50 years ago, they can't afford the research and development, mean while we have, with European and Asian partners built over 1200 F-35's. No way the Felon has the amount of R&D fat amy has in. Kinetically the Felon is incredible, but that maneuverability doesn't equal air dominance. There is some much more, way beyond what I fully grasp that goes into it.
 
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