Nobody thinks that, you are the only one that keep insisting on it.
This is you right?
I think you might be struggling with dementia grandpa.
Ukraine war Bullshit.
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This is you right?
I think you might be struggling with dementia grandpa.
how big of a fucking retard do you have to be to think anyone who disagrees with you is a libtard? You're as dense as the blue haired gender studies professors who thinks anyone who wants to cut funding to malnourished Yemenis is a literal nazi. You are actually a fucking moron.
leave him alone. he is here making a few bucks. the annoying thing is that Zelenskyy is paying him with some of our tax $s. there are others here on the same team. ie if they are really different people and not the same troll using different accounts.
We should let the entire EU go fuck themselves but we should keep a few as friends. We should take the Baltics, the Scandinavian countries, Poland, and the broader Balkans region. But the traditional western Europe countries should be told to fuck off.
Take, keep friends? As in dog/cat friend? English might be my second or third language but dear friend wanna be as some one from Balkans you can go fuck yourself and pet a dog and keep to yourself with attitude like that.
CNN —
Russian President Vladimir Putin declared a brief Easter ceasefire in his war with Ukraine, saying “all hostilities” will pause for a two-day period.
Russian fighting will halt between 6 p.m. Moscow time on Saturday (11 a.m. ET) and midnight on Monday (5 p.m. Sunday ET), Putin said.
“We assume that the Ukrainian side will follow our example,” he added.
The truce will help Russia determine how sincere Kyiv is about wanting to reach a ceasefire, Putin said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky posted to X shortly after the Russian leader announced the move, calling it “yet another attempt by Putin to play with human lives.”
Sirens sounded in Kyiv soon after Putin’s announcement. “At this moment, air raid alerts are spreading across Ukraine,” Zelensky said.
“Shahed drones in our skies reveal Putin’s true attitude toward Easter and toward human life,” he added.
The Ukrainian leader’s post did not make it immediately clear whether or not Kyiv will accept the truce. If it does accept, this will be the first pause in the conflict since Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion. CNN has approached the presidency for comment.
Ukraine has previously been skeptical about such temporary pauses in conflict, having rejected a temporary ceasefire in January 2023 believing that Russia had ulterior motives in calling for a stop to the fighting, such as using the pause to bring in more troops.
Russian President Vladimir Putin declared a brief Easter ceasefire in his war with Ukraine, saying “all hostilities” will pause for a two-day period.
Russian fighting will halt between 6 p.m. Moscow time on Saturday (11 a.m. ET) and midnight on Monday (5 p.m. Sunday ET), Putin said.
“We assume that the Ukrainian side will follow our example,” he added.
The truce will help Russia determine how sincere Kyiv is about wanting to reach a ceasefire, Putin said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky posted to X shortly after the Russian leader announced the move, calling it “yet another attempt by Putin to play with human lives.”
Sirens sounded in Kyiv soon after Putin’s announcement. “At this moment, air raid alerts are spreading across Ukraine,” Zelensky said.
“Shahed drones in our skies reveal Putin’s true attitude toward Easter and toward human life,” he added.
The Ukrainian leader’s post did not make it immediately clear whether or not Kyiv will accept the truce. If it does accept, this will be the first pause in the conflict since Russia’s February 2022 full-scale invasion. CNN has approached the presidency for comment.
Ukraine has previously been skeptical about such temporary pauses in conflict, having rejected a temporary ceasefire in January 2023 believing that Russia had ulterior motives in calling for a stop to the fighting, such as using the pause to bring in more troops.
I’m sure I’ve linked this book in this thread already but it bears repeating. All you need to know about the conflict, right here
Uh, there was context lost there that if we had been speaking in person would have made that come across different to you than it did. Sorry.
yea,1 i need to get. when my gr grands are my age true hx of this abortion will likely be unavailable.
Typed is different than in person i agree 
. Just sounded a bit weird but generally i agree that % of decent folks is really low in “core EU” and one (decent person) cannot be friends with average European nowadays.
But i’d take you guys for a friend also as people here do seem decent some sick little puppies in need of various “tinctures” for medication but decent.
On the serious side i think by the dynamics on the front its game over regardless of US actions but i think Z will keep going until he is snuffed by his own.
. Just sounded a bit weird but generally i agree that % of decent folks is really low in “core EU” and one (decent person) cannot be friends with average European nowadays.But i’d take you guys for a friend also as people here do seem decent some sick little puppies in need of various “tinctures” for medication but decent
.On the serious side i think by the dynamics on the front its game over regardless of US actions but i think Z will keep going until he is snuffed by his own.
Let's hope sooner, rather than later. It's long overdue.
True that.
I'm very suprised it hasn't happened . Would be so easy to blame it on the ruskies and walk away.
If we could start reclaiming the money he scalped from our aid one bank account at a time I give it a week till you never see him again one way or another.
John Mearscheimer is part of the blame-US crowd, so that book does not actually cover the real causal factors of the war.
It’s more Ivy League Marxist BS from guys who think they understand Russia, who were Clinton WH “experts” on Russia when Clinton and Yeltsin did their deals. Part of the Clinton era was disarming Ukraine.
I have yet to see a US commentator who knows what they are talking about when it comes to foreign policy in general, let alone Ukraine. Especially now with the younger guys who are in their 30s, they haven’t even put in the reps to become familiar with the geography and history, or even succession of leaders in any of these countries, but Shazam they sure know the intricacies of geopolitics.
That’s how they are easily fooled into believing propaganda from Clinton-era Ivy League bow-tie fag professors who worship at Karl Marx’s throne. It’s embarrassing.
Poor innocent Russia. Just navigating their way along in this brutal world, until Victoria Nuland crushed their lives.....
This stuff is not printworthy guys. Think about it.
Putin always planned to take Ukraine. The SMO was going to go down with lightning swiftness, like the US in Desert Storm, only it didn’t. His general staff assured him of victory, and the whole thing blew up in his face.
Europe didn’t give a fuck about you. Bill Clinton sent US into YOUR civil war. We were told the Serbians were the enemy, but I’m still not fucking sure! No more elective wars in Europe, full stop.
This sort of “argument” is what I expect of some brain dead progressive.
Do yourself a favor, and everyone else as well
Pretty sure he is Finnish. They loath the Russians and will say anything to get the rest of the world to gang together and kill Russians.
and we should care about anything happening in Europe? why? even you admit that Europe is done and by their own hand. we need to keep their problems out of here. those having been started many years ago. we are going to have big problems cleaning out our own Augean stable. no matter the details you provide,which appear to be solid,the fact that Russia has AFed us long term is common knowledge. at least it should be. the corruption in congress,leg branch,big corps is also,or should be,common knowledge as well. China owns a big piece of that also.
you can still not come up with any justification for the billions that have been pissed away in Ukraine. in the past you have claimed that the numbers claimed by Tucker,Macgregor et al are overstated and not true. that is BS. even "a few" million would be too much. we have problems here in case you might have noticed. wanting to fuck with Russia is just childish on the part of our many neocons. profitable for them as well. your statements that Russia is inept,incompetent and stupid may well be true but they still have >1K nucs. i,for one,am not curious to see if any of them work as intended. if Russia is indeed incompetent,then trying to take anything else in Europe will be a rat fuck which will finish Putin off for sure.
Actually our civil war which you mention and have no clue about is pretty much the same recipe as the one in Ukraine and with almost the same players with exception of Russia being raped by West at that time and weak with its own problems and playground that was not on their border.
Its a perfect example of double standards and anglosaxon hypocrisy which is now called rules based order. So you see the bullshit that backfired in source countries is something we were being fed and still are in order to bring us backward socialist peasants into light and prosperity. Its some kind of poetic justice that soon Germany and France and Uk will face their own civil wars, you if lucky just might avoid it. Fucking with Russia has more to do with failing economy and looming social crisis and averting various forms of chimpouts that could start civil wars. Sure there are those (like few zealots here or that Kallas bitch or Luegen) that really hate Russia due to various personal reasons but those are just emotional morons living out their “traumas” trying to convince others into their twisted reality.
Its a perfect example of double standards and anglosaxon hypocrisy which is now called rules based order. So you see the bullshit that backfired in source countries is something we were being fed and still are in order to bring us backward socialist peasants into light and prosperity. Its some kind of poetic justice that soon Germany and France and Uk will face their own civil wars, you if lucky just might avoid it. Fucking with Russia has more to do with failing economy and looming social crisis and averting various forms of chimpouts that could start civil wars. Sure there are those (like few zealots here or that Kallas bitch or Luegen) that really hate Russia due to various personal reasons but those are just emotional morons living out their “traumas” trying to convince others into their twisted reality.
Ya I didn't get to vote on helping out muslims as apposed to ----anyone else.
It would be nice if a vote on anything helped. Especially how my stolen tax money is used
If you find yourself associating me with progressives, you really don’t know anything about my perspective.
You’ll be hard-pressed to find a more anti-progressive person than I. I’m sure a lot of us feel that way, but I narrowed-in on the Progressive Era BS decades ago, well-before the popularity of the Internet.
If you agree with John Mearscheimer, Jeffrey Sachs, and other Clinton and Obama cabinet advisors, it is you who has aligned with the progressives (Marxists) without even realizing it. These are left-wing Ivy League bobbleheads who don’t know ground truth.
A lot of you guys have been played by social media campaigns, in the vacuum of solid intelligence from the legacy corporate media.
But you can do a timeline search on the events that actually led up to all of this, and the US just wan’t that involved in a way that would actually help Ukraine. In fact, every President except Trump actively worked to disarm Ukraine or ignore their requests for assistance. Trump was the only one who sent them large FMS weapons shipments (that they paid for).
No US President has shown any bit of awareness to that situation like Trump has. He has been way ahead of the power curve, from a much more-informed position. Other Presidents have been at the mercy of CIA, which is why their foreign policy decisions are so jacked-up.
It’s not profitable sending “expired” munitions for major defense contractors. The last time they handled most of those muntions was either at time of manufacture 20-30 years ago, or during upgrades for the services. For MIC, those are sunk costs realized decades ago. I don’t understand why this reality doesn’t sink in, other than the repetitive effects of consuming TikTok and social media brevity posts that pound a lie in repeatedly.
The “cash value” sent is marginal to that, to keep critical workers paid so the whole country doesn’t just collapse. I agree with the sentiment that it isn’t our business doing nation-building, and it would have all been avoided had Trump been at the helm like before. Weak traitors who already sold out our Nation like Clinton, Biden, and Obama only embolden adventurists to move forward.
We never wanted to interfere with Russia. Russia is free to do what it wants within its borders. Ukraine agreed to hand over the nukes with Nunn-Lugar, as long as the US, UK, and Russia would ensure their territorial sovereignty. Putin violated that long ago, so we’re left with his mess. It isn’t our doing or any of that Russian deflection messaging designed to get navel-gazers to self-blame, from 6000 miles away.
"In fact, every President except Trump actively worked to disarm Ukraine or ignore their requests for assistance".
Not trying to put words in your mouth, but if I understand you correctly, you're saying (for example) the biden administration "actively worked to disarm Ukraine and/or ignored their requests for assistance" ?
Do I understand you correctly ?
fair enough but you seem to shill for Zelinskyy and Ukraine and seem to advocate our continuing waste of resources there and the risk of a bigger war (which you deny). you never have said why we should do anything but pull everything and everybody out of that corrupt shit hole. your documentation of all the Soviet damage done here is correct as far as i know. patting yourself on the back for knowing all that is blowing smoke. anybody paying attention since the 60s at least has known most of it albeit at a less detailed level. that is not some all knowing illumination from a self styled guru.
there are several "kill all the commies" dorks on here. spending and the risk of doing that,at least overseas,is stupid. we got enough in this country to keep such people busy.
personally,i give a shit if Putin goes to the channel. we have nothing to lose in (at least western) Europe except to rotting remains of a civilization that has killed itself. post 1527
there are several "kill all the commies" dorks on here. spending and the risk of doing that,at least overseas,is stupid. we got enough in this country to keep such people busy.
personally,i give a shit if Putin goes to the channel. we have nothing to lose in (at least western) Europe except to rotting remains of a civilization that has killed itself. post 1527
Yes, prior to 2022 and slow-rolled any FMS afterwards. Most of the advanced weapons sent to Ukraine in mid-2022 were US FMS to NATO partners in Europe long ago (HIMARS, M777, smaller munitions, etc.).
Biden as working with Putin prior to the invasion. His job was to extract Zelesnky so Putin could quickly fill the vacuum in Kiev.
During the Biden/Obama WH from 2009-2017, they not only actively worked to disarm Ukraine more, but stopped the UK from sending weapons to Ukraine during those years as well. They also set up Hunter in a Russian front company called Burisma, to block the new President Poroshenko's incoming chief prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) from exposing how Putin and his oligarchs were using Burisma and other companies to launder billions. That’s why Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Hunter and Chris Heinz in Feb 2014.
I’ve been tracking all this since the 2000s, so my perspective is not hindsight, but in real-time. None of it will make sense trying to go back and figure it out with present-day bias for most people.
You can go look at the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency website to track FMS though and see what I’m talking about.
Short story: Clintons, Obama, Biden and their staff have been doing Russia’s bidding for decades, due to simple bribery payments. That’s one of the many reasons they started sweating when Trump won, and why Hillary spearheaded Crossfire Hurricane.
As much as people think going full isolationist is an easy button, it never proves to be so. It only emboldens adventurists to continue their march through countries on their periphery, which was Putin’s plan all along.
A lot of places would fall knowing they don’t have a mutual pact. That’s why they signed mutual defense pacts, to insure from what happened in the past and caused so many multi-generational consequences for their people.
It isn’t about Zelesnky or Ukraine. They are just some of the first intended victims to potentially losing sovereignty. Eastern Europe has not welcomed in the Muslim invaders. Poland especially has done a lot to keep their cultural integrity. Putin has been staging Muslim immigrant border violation attempts with them via Belorussia, if you noticed that.
for some reason he SEEMS to have gotten control of his goat fuckers. i have heard that a large % (?) of Russian KIA are Muslim. he did fight a short war with them in Chechnya and i believe they did the Moscow theater attack. so,i have wondered about them fighting in Ukraine,if that is true.
yet again,who cares about who runs wild in Europe? what is the loss to the American people? what did we have to lose in China in the 30s?
as far as mutual defense pacts go-do you have any knowledge of august 1914? those pacts worked out well didn't they?
i am a big Trump fan. he is human thus imperfect like all of us. but what was he going to do to prevent the mess in Ukraine? 1) keep the agreements that were on the table,despite their not being formalized? 2) sanction Russia? how is that working? 3) direct intervention? a nuclear war to save Ukraine and Europe (for a 3rd time)? a great idea that is. in terms of real politic we would be much better having a + relationship with Russia. do you know who they have a real long border with? who they have had border problems on and off for decades with? does China ring a bell there?
there is our real problem on 1/2 dozen levels at least. has been said that Trump wants out of Europe so our power can be concentrated in that game. seems reasonable. that our military can confront China and Russia at same time is just jingoistic bull shit. the Chinese are already here and well established. waaaay deeper than the Russians ever were.
yet again,who cares about who runs wild in Europe? what is the loss to the American people? what did we have to lose in China in the 30s?
as far as mutual defense pacts go-do you have any knowledge of august 1914? those pacts worked out well didn't they?
i am a big Trump fan. he is human thus imperfect like all of us. but what was he going to do to prevent the mess in Ukraine? 1) keep the agreements that were on the table,despite their not being formalized? 2) sanction Russia? how is that working? 3) direct intervention? a nuclear war to save Ukraine and Europe (for a 3rd time)? a great idea that is. in terms of real politic we would be much better having a + relationship with Russia. do you know who they have a real long border with? who they have had border problems on and off for decades with? does China ring a bell there?
there is our real problem on 1/2 dozen levels at least. has been said that Trump wants out of Europe so our power can be concentrated in that game. seems reasonable. that our military can confront China and Russia at same time is just jingoistic bull shit. the Chinese are already here and well established. waaaay deeper than the Russians ever were.
Really? You worry about that?? The whole fucking europe's border is open to millions of muslims. About 0 getting through Russia's border.
Balts and Poles and Scandos are those sick idiots that harp about Russia is coming all the while allowing various fanatical and otherwise noncompatible (to put it mildly) entities to enter en masse. Some of them hope they will be new voters, some hope they will be cheap labor, some even they will be doctors and engineers and some (apparently little minority) think this won't happen and that its bad. Of all those most fear Russia and prefer to see them as enemy "at the gates" than to clean up their own countries and especially morals and ethics (but probably i've written this in wrong order and might also be a reason for such hatred as traditional values dont vibe with modern EU man).
Introspective is always harder and in EU in its degenerate state, probably completely impossible.
Introspective is always harder and in EU in its degenerate state, probably completely impossible.
Notice what you are.
A propagandist.
Tell me more about you JFK multiple shooter theroy and massive structures under the pyramids. O and the Putin Biden working in Cahoots theory.
Its all bullshit, along with many of your other hair brained theory's.
If the democrats are pro russia… explain Libya, Syria (russian client states) being toppled and the sanctions put on Russia for 2014 Ukraine…. Because all these actions were very counter to Russian interests. You can’t because your entire diatribe is complete fucking nonsense.
Your very first sentence is what I was talking about. You summed up a huge book from one word on the cover by someone you associate with the worst of “the left”. If that’s not the worst “argument” you could come up with I don’t know what is.
Mearscheimer may be wrong on a bunch of issues but he’s right about war and the empire. The US(read: the cia) meddles in, or is the root cause of, just about every conflict in the world. And most definitely the ME.
So now let’s turn your argument around a bit. Are you trying to say that Russia has no legitimate grievances about what they perceive to be a threat to their sovereignty and that they just decided to be a super meany face and invade a neighboring country? Because that certainly won’t hold up
After the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia was re-formed they were given assurances that nato would not move past East Germany. Well, look how that has played out. Politicians’ guarantees that aren’t worth anything.
Let’s skip ahead a bit to the 2014 Ukraine gov coup. Victoria Neuland being caught on tape talking about who the US wanted in the Ukraine gov, and lo and behold that’s what happens.
And just before they invaded, the Russian gov did all of the legwork writing an agreement saying no Ukraine in nato and said “All you have to do is sign this and we won’t invade”. And what did nato do? Completely ignored it
What would your opinion be if Russia and China were doing all of this to Canada and Mexico? Would you think the sovereignty of the US was being threatened? This is playing out like every other conflict the US gets into. They start shit, make a bunch of demands, accuse the other country of not negotiating(in complete bad faith and under totally unacceptable terms) then say “Well, we don’t have any other choice but to invade.”(and end up killing 90% innocent civilians, by the way)
Pretty much what I envisioned as far as the land goes.
And the resources for our troubles sound good.
That is pretty much going to be thier security deal since we will protect our interests.
www.telegraph.co.uk
And the resources for our troubles sound good.
That is pretty much going to be thier security deal since we will protect our interests.
Trump to let Putin keep land seized from Ukraine
Seven-point plan gives Kyiv no clear security guarantee from the US
www.telegraph.co.uk
the donbas was mostly populated by what ukrainians called inhuman russian "orcs". not sure why they would want to rule over orcs anyway.Pretty much what I envisioned as far as the land goes.
And the resources for our troubles sound good.
That is pretty much going to be thier security deal since we will protect our interests.
Trump to let Putin keep land seized from Ukraine
Seven-point plan gives Kyiv no clear security guarantee from the US
/it's the oil and gas
It's always the money isn't it.
I don't have a good geographical grasp on which resources are prevalent in areas that Russia took and what is left, small portions of Russia will be expected to vacate.
To me the mostly Russian speaking and aligned east side of the river made sense and not worth all the losses endured by all involved.
I don't have a good geographical grasp on which resources are prevalent in areas that Russia took and what is left, small portions of Russia will be expected to vacate.
To me the mostly Russian speaking and aligned east side of the river made sense and not worth all the losses endured by all involved.
@LRRPF52
You haven't answered the question. Why is that ?
I will proceed under the assumption that I understood your statement correctly.
Let's correct your statement, shall we ? Pretty much all US administrations (with the exception of Trump) have been VERY ACTIVELY ARMING, ASSISTING and FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING Ukraine/the zelensky regime. This is universally known, undeniable and without question. You couldn't even get the US msm to deny that fact.
The only US administration that has brought pressure to bear on zelensky has been Trump. Every other US administration has been way too busy skimming US Taxpayer Dollars off the top and lining their pockets. Trump has, on at least one occasion (perhaps more), cut off all financial aid and military supplies to Ukraine. No other US administration has done that. Ever.
I guess you have either forgotten about, never knew about, or are completely ignoring Burisma, hunter biden, paul pelosi jr., lindsey graham and a litany of other US politicians that have all gone on "empty suitcase tours" of Ukraine. They always come back, full of cash.
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US has a final offer on the table.
www.nbcnews.com
Sounds like Z man said no.
I think because of this Ukraine might lose US support.
Trump slams Zelenskyy for rejecting Ukraine-Russia negotiations, saying a deal was 'very close'
High-level talks in London aimed at bringing a pause to fighting in Ukraine disintegrated after Secretary of State Marco Rubio and special envoy Steve Witkoff pulled out.
www.nbcnews.com
Sounds like Z man said no.
I think because of this Ukraine might lose US support.
You haven't heard his Burisma diatribe?
He tried tell me that the Bidens made billions through them... Billions, from a company that doesn't even gross that much in a year, much less profit that much. Its just as much skewed bullshit as much of the rest of it.
Billions... with a B.
we can hope so. as long as they lose ALL US support and we get ALL assets out,doesn't matter. all our interference is going to end up doing is get a bunch of people killed that had no input or interest in our interference. VN,Iraq,Afghanistan, Chile,Congo for a few. we were able to make our elite neocons some cash however. a lot of these rabid interventionists we have here (and they seem to be multiplying like fungus) need to read Smedley Butler's book. that would be a good starting point.
well,i haven't been really paying attention. my bad.
1) it is not profitable to send old munitions anywhere? total BS. they get paid to replace them. they are likely sent by the gov and not at their expense.
2) Russia can do whatever it wants in it's own borders? so you do advocate our mil as acting as the world's cop? sounds classic neocon license to start wars to me.
3) you still,for about the 10th time,refuse to answer my question (from your omniscience) about why we should be involved in the Uke war at all at any time now or in the past.
4) don't seem to have any notion of why we should save Europe yet a 3rd time.
5) sorry your contention that The Obiden admins tried to disarm Ukraine is such obviously patent BS that anything else you have to say or have said is just completely worthless blather. i sort feel stupid for paying attention to it.
6) said it before. all your marvelous revelations about the infiltration and corruption of our politicians by the communists in the past are,or should be,common knowledge. has been to me and i am sure to many others here. China has now taken that job.
people with the Z love are annoying and i like to hear what they have to say about why we have to support Z ,his corrupt toads,the MIC wars of choice in gen. their answers are usually deranged and often funny even when leading to tragic outcomes for the victims.
If your question is directed at me, here's why;
It's quite simple. He made a patently false statement and he doesn't appear to have the integrity or backbone to back it up. He needs to be called out on it.
You and others seem to have more experience with him than I do. This is my first go around with him. If he chooses to continue to hide and dodge the question, I'm not going to waste any more time on him.
I wanted to find out what he was all about. Looks like I have. So far, it's pretty much nothing.
Ya much about nothing.
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