United passenger forcibly removed from over booked flight.

#51
CEO of United changed the rules today and said this will never happen again on a United flight. ...

That shows you how much the world has changed.

I guarantee I am not wearing a tin cap; but 30 years ago you wouldn't even have known this occurred. The controllers of social media can polarize public opinion to a degree never before experienced. From what I saw on the released videos; these officers had no recourse. The guy went limp which is dead weight which is hard to move. Narrow aisle way and the guy banged his face on something. The PD didn't do it. However, they are being vilified and the CEO of a company agrees to soothe the populace.

Fuck that

Rules are rules. Don't like our rules or policies; fly a different airline.
 
#52
CEO just released that all customers on that flight will get there tickets reimbursed.
Oh and PPB, read my first post. According to all the information I could find the passenger was NOT committing a crime. The issue at hand was never criminal but a civil matter between United and the passenger. LEO should have never been called, and that is the reason United has stated publicly that LEO will not be called in the future.
 
#53
I agree. The passenger was not at fault. He had paid for his ticket and should have been able to fly without incident. The problem came when he did not follow the order of the police. That is his portion of responsibility.
Ultimately United is at fault. IMHO
..
 
#54
So if something goes down on the flight which I've seen before; what happens?

I've been on a few flights in my lifetime where police arrived at the gate when someone violated a law. Law defined by international rules not US rules.

One rule I have seen enacted over and over is an unruly passenger that says FU to an attendant. You're gone if you're at the gate. You are liable to be arrested when you get to your destination if you're in the air when it happens.

Who handles that...the crew?

Ridiculous
 
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#55
PPB gets it. Once the police were called the passenger needed to follow their orders.
but NIK yes in this case the crew needed to offer more to get someone to step up. It was not a legal issue and the passneger was not unrully.
also as this was a flight inside the USA internatioanl law is of no concern what so ever.
i am not and 99% of people are not disparaging LEO's actions. United should have never let it get to that point.
lets say you and another person try and park in the same parking spot in a parking lot. You feel slighted because you were in position first but other guy slid in while you waited for previous occupant to leave. Do you call LEO, if so what crime has been commited? At this point none. But actions after could be a crime like you assaulting the other driver or him shooting you aftet you flip him off. But understand the loss of the parking space is and was not the crime. So waiting 2 hours for LEO and LEO tells you to move on and you say fuck that and park behind the other car well now your getting a beat down. But understand prior to that action there was actually no crime. It was a civil mater.
United got LEO involved because they were to chicken shit to handle thier own mess. Oh and the flight was not "overbooked". United decided they needed to get 4 employees to another airport.
 
#56
2AF - Unless I'm reading your analogy wrong, you called the cops on the wrong person. Per your analogy, Driver 1 (aka "you") felt slighted and called the cops, then they show up and tell you to move on, you don't, and get the "beatdown". But, in your analogy, to be accurate what should have happened is that Driver 2 (in the parking spot) got the beatdown.

As I've heard, the doctor had some extremely compelling reasons to not miss that flight. His job may have been on the line. The seat was rightfully his, no question. He took the attitude that if you want to take this seat from me, which is rightfully mine, you're going to have to beat my ass to do it (which they did). That's simply standing up for one's rights when they KNOW they are in the right. He will be upheld in every court, so there's really not much debate as to who was wrong. There is a BIG question as to whether the LEOs acted appropriately, and (while I strongly support LEOs in general) there is evidence they may have jumped the gun (i.e. back to your analogy, they just beat the hell out of Driver 2 and drug him out of the space so you could park there).

I "get" the thinking that if he had just given up his seat when LEO showed up, that all of this could have been avoided, blah, blah, blah, and he could take it to court. But that won't get him his job back if he gets fired, and that is what I'm understanding may have happened. He lost his license to practice, and had to jump through many hoops over years to get it back. I understand that there was little tolerance for his failure to show up when and where he was directed. That seat becomes a whole new level of importance when you figure that in, especially when you know it is rightfully YOURS.
 
#57
Police should not have been involved, this should be a sheriff or air marshal. NickH stop with the just following orders/law shit, you make cops look like robo cops with no ability to discern right and wrong. The airline was and is wrong, this policy is wrong, the defenders of the cops being called and the airlines actions are stupid fucks that are prone to be future slaves. Common law, the guy paid , he fulfilled his end of the contract, United accepted his money, end of story.
 
#60
Vh20, i understand my analogy was backwards. I would hope that people reading it would get the point of civil disagreement not being a criminal issue. But once LEO gets involved. It takes but just one small decision/action for it to become criminal.
I am so glad the passanger didn't get charged with resisting arrest. I think that is a bullshit charge if you have done nothing else wrong. It can be an additional charge but shouldn't be the only charge.
if you read my other post ii stated there are 1000's of reasons to be on a plane but other than reaching your destination or an emergency there is no real reason to get off. And I stated I would not have gotten off either.
this was a shit sandwich of United's making and i hope they choke on it.
 
#62
The plot thickens....

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[h=1]Scorpion stings man on United flight to Calgary[/h]
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Berkeley Lovelace Jr. Thu, Apr 13 7:30 AM PDT

A creature that appeared to be a scorpion fell from an overhead bin and stung a man on a United (UAL) Airlines flight, the company confirmed to CNBC on Thursday.

According to multiple reports, passenger Richard Bell was on a United flight from Houston to Calgary on Sunday, when the creature fell from an overhead bin and stung him.

United told CNBC the airline crew immediately consulted with a physician on the ground who provided guidance throughout the incident. The company said the man's injuries were non-life threatening.

"Medical personnel met the aircraft after it arrived in Calgary," United spokesman Charles Hobart told CNBC.

The news came after United sparked outrage earlier this week when a video surfaced of a passenger being dragged off an overbooked United Express flight.

United CEO Oscar Munoz at first supported the action. Later, he apologized "for having to re-accommodate these customers. " On Tuesday, he issued a detailed apology .
 
#65
My kids and I were riffing a bit by text:

United Airlines, we fail, you suffer.

United Airlines, we put the hospital in hospitality

United Airlines, we have an offer you can't refuse...no really...get out!

Malaysia Airlines, we may lose the entire plane, but at least you'll have a seat.

And...

Hey United, my ex is on flight 2362 from Austin to Atlanta, row 12, seat D. Do your thing!
 
#66
lash said:
My kids and I were riffing a bit by text:

United Airlines, we fail, you suffer.

United Airlines, we put the hospital in hospitality

United Airlines, we have an offer you can't refuse...no really...get out!

Malaysia Airlines, we may lose the entire plane, but at least you'll have a seat.

And...

Hey United, my ex is on flight 2362 from Austin to Atlanta, row 12, seat D. Do your thing!
Click to expand...

Damn you lash. The Malay did me in. Wife is certain I've lost my mind. Thx man.:eek:
 
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