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US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

KillShot

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#1
I wonder what these will wind up selling for.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Army has a few thousand M24 Sniper Weapon Systems that they're in the processes of reconfiguring into XM2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifles.  This total conversion changes everything but the receiver, which Remington will replace for sale to us, the Americans.  Bomber!

The M24 is a great sniper rifle platform, but given the vast distances the Army has found snipers taking shots from, they've concluded that they need something with longer legs.  The Remington 700 receivers used in the M24s is fully capable of handling .300 Winchester Magnum, which offers about 50% more energy and has a 50% greater effective range than the 7.62 NATO cartridges they're shooting now, and it's good out to 1,200 meters.  It does kick a little more.</div></div>

Full Article — Guns.com
 
#4
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

Raffle tickets are $5 each, (5) for $20, and (30) for $100. When you take into account how many people will be buying raffle tickets, the odds of winning one of these are about as good as winning the lottery.
 
#7
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

The way I read the article is that they are selling 2,000 and raffling the other 2,000.
Word for word.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They'll be taking 2,000 of these capable (and pre-customized by the soldiers who carried them) sniper rifles and selling them on a first-come, first-serve basis, with priority given to military snipers, active and reserve duty military, retired military, and law enforcement, respectively.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Two thousand more will be raffled off, </span> $5 gets you one ticket, $20 gets you five, and a benjamin gets you thirty tickets. All proceeds will go to the Fisher House Foundation, which provides comfort homes for wounded soldiers and their families, for free.</div></div>
 
#8
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

I saw a hippy chick driving a Subaru afew days ago with a bumper sticker saying "I wish the Military had to do bake sales to get new stuff like schools do now" or something to that affect. I hope this is not the case now, I hope the Army does not have to sell something to get new stuff.
 
#10
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

I'm sorry, but I have to chime in on this.

The title of this subject as well as the guns.com article are both so misleading.

The US Army is not raffling off any rifles.

From the original defensereview.com article and the Remington Defense fliers, Remington managed to do a deal through the Army where they got to keep all the serviceable, non-barreled action parts from the old M24 rifles in exchange for a reduced price-tag for the XM2010 conversions. Remington, in turn, took all these turn-in parts and decided to put new barreled actions in them, put them all together as a kit, and sell them as these 25th anniversary M24 sniper weapons systems to "the public" using their priority scale for 2012, which unless you're currently serving or fully retired or any kind of sniper school qualified, you're gonna be out of luck.

The fliers state there will be less than 2000 of these systems offered for sale, I'm guessing based on the quantity of full kits they could put together from the parts they got back. The price of $3500 for the full kit was put out there in the other forum thread. IMO, that's a great price if the full kit included the original M3A scope, iron sight mounts, case and all accessories.

I also think it's misleading when they state these are actual combat-used military rifles for sale. No they're not. This situation is comparable to when the Marines turned in the M40A1 stocks back to McMillan when they upgraded to the A4 stocks. Are the M24 kits a piece of military history, yes, as the stocks and all accessories are authentic military used. But these rifles are as real combat-used military rifles as the spec builds on the return M40A1 stocks, which is not at all.

According to the Remington fliers and defensereview.com article, there are not 4,000 rifles being raffled off, either by the Army or Remington. There are not 2,000 "additional" rifles being raffled off, as the guns.com article states (and I have no idea where they got that information, as the article is referring to the defensereview.com article and the Remington fliers, and unless 1 rifle + 1 raffle = 2,000 rifles for raffle, the author needs to actually start reading the sources he cites).

According to the Remington flier, there is one raffle for one rifle (the first of the less than 2,000 kits being put together). And I personally plan to buy some tickets for that raffle (well, if there is ever a link or info on how to actually do it), as apparently us separated, but non-retired and non-sniper school trained, service members don't rate on the Remington priority sale list. Oh, and actually the chances of winning this auction is a lot better than winning the lotto. The lottery is based on the results of five non-repeating numbers, from the 1 to 60 range, and a powerball/megaball number of the full range. So that's 60x59x58x57x56x60 = 39,322,886,400, or basically one chance out of 39 billion, 322 million (rounding off) for each lotto ticket. So even if every raffle participant purchased 100 tickets, it would take over 390 million participants to get up to lotto odds.
 
#11
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The way I read the article is that they are selling 2,000 and raffling the other 2,000.
Word for word.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They'll be taking 2,000 of these capable (and pre-customized by the soldiers who carried them) sniper rifles and selling them on a first-come, first-serve basis, with priority given to military snipers, active and reserve duty military, retired military, and law enforcement, respectively.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Two thousand more will be raffled off, </span> $5 gets you one ticket, $20 gets you five, and a benjamin gets you thirty tickets. All proceeds will go to the Fisher House Foundation, which provides comfort homes for wounded soldiers and their families, for free.</div></div> </div></div>


^^ This is also what and how I read the article.
 
#13
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The way I read the article is that they are selling 2,000 and raffling the other 2,000.
Word for word.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They'll be taking 2,000 of these capable (and pre-customized by the soldiers who carried them) sniper rifles and selling them on a first-come, first-serve basis, with priority given to military snipers, active and reserve duty military, retired military, and law enforcement, respectively.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Two thousand more will be raffled off, </span> $5 gets you one ticket, $20 gets you five, and a benjamin gets you thirty tickets. All proceeds will go to the Fisher House Foundation, which provides comfort homes for wounded soldiers and their families, for free.</div></div> </div></div>


^^ This is also what and how I read the article. </div></div>

Yes, but the guns.com article line "Two thousand more will be raffled off" links to the Remington raffle flier, which specifically states: "There will be less than 2,000 of these systems offered for sale. <span style="font-weight: bold">This raffle is for the very first system of this production run</span>."

The author of that article needs to actually read the sources he cites before putting pen to paper, so to speak, otherwise he's just spreading disinformation around.
 
#16
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: predator3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where to I send a copy of my Benning School diploma & can I request SN:C***9543? </div></div>


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#18
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B-B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt you can request serial numbers, but its worth a shot, im sure every b4 will be doing that. It would be nice. </div></div>


The original M24 receivers are not being sold. That part is being replaced with a brand new manufactured receiver.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lockedandloaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B-B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I doubt you can request serial numbers, but its worth a shot, im sure every b4 will be doing that. It would be nice. </div></div>


The original M24 receivers are not being sold. That part is being replaced with a brand new manufactured receiver. </div></div>

really? doesnt that kinda defeat the whole value of the deal? Sounds alot less appealing to me now... i thought they were just re barreling the receivers. Too bad.
 
#22
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

I wouldnt expect the re built 24's to compare to the tack drivers that have been develped since '88 when it entered service. It's just owning the rifle I was issued when I was 19. A worn and well loved, crappy buttstocked 24 would be something to pass on to the grandkids. Like my grandfather's M1.
 
#24
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

Sounds to me like the raffle was fixed.
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They didn't offer tickets to the public. You could ONLY get them if you went to SHOT. Imagine the money this could have made if it was offered to the general public. I am skeptical as hell.
 
#25
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds to me like the raffle was fixed.
frown.gif
They didn't offer tickets to the public. You could ONLY get them if you went to SHOT. Imagine the money this could have made if it was offered to the general public. I am skeptical as hell. </div></div>

Does it really seem likely a corporation the size of Remington would risk the legal implications of offering a fixed promotion?
 
#26
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lockedandloaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds to me like the raffle was fixed.
frown.gif
They didn't offer tickets to the public. You could ONLY get them if you went to SHOT. Imagine the money this could have made if it was offered to the general public. I am skeptical as hell. </div></div>

Does it really seem likely a corporation the size of Remington would risk the legal implications of offering a fixed promotion?</div></div>
No just a snide comment on the fact that the only place you could get tickets was at SHOT. Kind of locks out the 99% of the rest of us don't you think? Unless you got the opportunity to go.
 
#27
Re: US Army Raffling 4,000 M24 Sniper Rifles

I understand. But its a $7 Million sales project (2000 rifles @ $3500). Generating some promotional buzz is exactly what SHOT Show is intended to do.
 
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