I was wondering if using a rear bag is considered cheating and if I should develop my shooting skills without it. I have shot with and without and I shoot much better with the bag. Thanks in advance.
Advanced Marksmanship Using a rear bag....cheating?
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Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
I think you'll find on here that it's pretty much considered necessary equipment.
I think you'll find on here that it's pretty much considered necessary equipment.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
As far as I am concerned if you can tranport any particular device in a reasonable fashion and it improves precision without compromising other areas its not cheating, its smart.
As far as I am concerned if you can tranport any particular device in a reasonable fashion and it improves precision without compromising other areas its not cheating, its smart.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
That's like saying using a bipod is cheating too. It's not cheating, it's the best tool to get the job done in the best manner.
That's not to say you shouldn't train without one too though, as there are situations where a bag is not practical. But when working for slow fire long range accuracy, by all means use the bag.
That's like saying using a bipod is cheating too. It's not cheating, it's the best tool to get the job done in the best manner.
That's not to say you shouldn't train without one too though, as there are situations where a bag is not practical. But when working for slow fire long range accuracy, by all means use the bag.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
Only match I know of that doesn't allow one.
I use mine all the time. If I can't use it then I grab the sling with my fist and it works quite well.
Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
I use mine all the time. If I can't use it then I grab the sling with my fist and it works quite well.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
Only match I know of that doesn't allow one.
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To all of you California bashers...............
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
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Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
^^^ nice bag.
rear bag not cheating at all, i've been doing alot of rimfire shooting, and have been using my fist of the support arm under the rear of the stock for that extra rear support which is nice to train and use when rear bags are not allowed in competition.
of course in the real world, i wouldn't be without somethoing under the rear of the rifle.
^^^ nice bag.
rear bag not cheating at all, i've been doing alot of rimfire shooting, and have been using my fist of the support arm under the rear of the stock for that extra rear support which is nice to train and use when rear bags are not allowed in competition.
of course in the real world, i wouldn't be without somethoing under the rear of the rifle.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
Yeah, I think the first question to ask yourself is, "cheating for what?"
I had this same question and debate with some other shooters at about my skill level awhile back. I pretty much just concluded that it depends on what I'm trying to hone. Ask yourself the same thing. You could probably draw out a spectrum with completely unsupported offhand shooting on one end and locked down vice-type benchrest on the other, and place everything else in between.
If for tactical comps, people's advice here is likely dead on and many do use them. If you're trying to do like the "pros", former service members went into some detail for me on their use of sand or rice socks (that's what finally led me to shoot with rear rests almost exclusively). If you're trying to train for lean and mean (you + the rifle) then obviously using your non shooting hand would be preferred.
But, if you're looking to match shots with people on here (doing things like the dot drills), then yes, rear support seems to be the norm. Now onto *which* type you should use....
Yeah, I think the first question to ask yourself is, "cheating for what?"
I had this same question and debate with some other shooters at about my skill level awhile back. I pretty much just concluded that it depends on what I'm trying to hone. Ask yourself the same thing. You could probably draw out a spectrum with completely unsupported offhand shooting on one end and locked down vice-type benchrest on the other, and place everything else in between.
If for tactical comps, people's advice here is likely dead on and many do use them. If you're trying to do like the "pros", former service members went into some detail for me on their use of sand or rice socks (that's what finally led me to shoot with rear rests almost exclusively). If you're trying to train for lean and mean (you + the rifle) then obviously using your non shooting hand would be preferred.
But, if you're looking to match shots with people on here (doing things like the dot drills), then yes, rear support seems to be the norm. Now onto *which* type you should use....
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
Hey, she should have a big mitt on that hand since her other's in the trigger guard.
If a bag's cheating, so's a shooting glove
Silhouette's the only honest sport left, two feet on the ground rifle in your hands, gloves to match the weather only, no vest/coat.
Personally for precision rifle I have my RedTac half bag attached to my adj cheekpiece, and a few more of various sizes in the ruck. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying hard enough!
Hey, she should have a big mitt on that hand since her other's in the trigger guard.
If a bag's cheating, so's a shooting glove
Silhouette's the only honest sport left, two feet on the ground rifle in your hands, gloves to match the weather only, no vest/coat.
Personally for precision rifle I have my RedTac half bag attached to my adj cheekpiece, and a few more of various sizes in the ruck. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying hard enough!
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
I don't think I know a single person that doesn't use a rear bag. If it's legal in shooting comps then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. Get yourself a nice rear bag and watch your groups tighten up
I don't think I know a single person that doesn't use a rear bag. If it's legal in shooting comps then I don't see how it can be considered cheating. Get yourself a nice rear bag and watch your groups tighten up
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
short of running down range with the bullets in your hand and poking holes in the target...I dont see how one could cheat at long range shooting. As long as the shot is taken from the range stated.
short of running down range with the bullets in your hand and poking holes in the target...I dont see how one could cheat at long range shooting. As long as the shot is taken from the range stated.
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
Perhaps the question could be rephrased, aid or hindrance? Since the bag forces the head to the comb instead of the comb to the head, unless the position is naturally really low, the rear bag does not assure the desired result. In fact, the shooter who understands how the butt stock gets higher as the position does, will learn how to build a steady position without the need for a rear bag. And yes, the bag is cheating if it cheats you out of the experience of learning how to get a steady position without using the bag.
Perhaps the question could be rephrased, aid or hindrance? Since the bag forces the head to the comb instead of the comb to the head, unless the position is naturally really low, the rear bag does not assure the desired result. In fact, the shooter who understands how the butt stock gets higher as the position does, will learn how to build a steady position without the need for a rear bag. And yes, the bag is cheating if it cheats you out of the experience of learning how to get a steady position without using the bag.
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Seth8541
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First let me state that I use both bipods, rear bag, range finder, mil-dot reticle, target knobs, Kestrel, etc.etc.
Is it an aid? yes they all are. Do you think Hathcock, Mahinney, Zeitssef ran around with any of the above?? No.And I garrantee they werent shooting $4000.00 rifles and $3000 glass.It was them and their rifle. HEHHEH bout the time we were thinking we might be something huh.All of these things are common place today and we come to depend on them and wonder what we ever did without them. Kinda like cell phones and the Internet. In my mind there is nothing wrong with using them and becoming proficient with them, BUT, when you start to wondr how you ever hit a target without them, its time to start depriving yourself of these things and becoming a good marksman without them. Just think.... if you can hammer a target @ a grand without the use of these tools, just think what you can do with them.JMHO.
First let me state that I use both bipods, rear bag, range finder, mil-dot reticle, target knobs, Kestrel, etc.etc.
Is it an aid? yes they all are. Do you think Hathcock, Mahinney, Zeitssef ran around with any of the above?? No.And I garrantee they werent shooting $4000.00 rifles and $3000 glass.It was them and their rifle. HEHHEH bout the time we were thinking we might be something huh.All of these things are common place today and we come to depend on them and wonder what we ever did without them. Kinda like cell phones and the Internet. In my mind there is nothing wrong with using them and becoming proficient with them, BUT, when you start to wondr how you ever hit a target without them, its time to start depriving yourself of these things and becoming a good marksman without them. Just think.... if you can hammer a target @ a grand without the use of these tools, just think what you can do with them.JMHO.
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Seth8541
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Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: abersfelderami</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
Only match I know of that doesn't allow one.
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To all of you California bashers...............
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+1 California doesnt allow alotta crap. Full of hippie Liberals, but we still got a Few Good Men runnin around heheh. Aint that right abersfelderami!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: abersfelderami</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only if you shoot one match in southern CA
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To all of you California bashers...............
+1 California doesnt allow alotta crap. Full of hippie Liberals, but we still got a Few Good Men runnin around heheh. Aint that right abersfelderami!!
Re: Using a rear bag....cheating?
Out job is to solve the problem. A rear bag is just one way to help solve it.
Out job is to solve the problem. A rear bag is just one way to help solve it.
