Rifle Scopes USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

[rain252]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

I can't see how the main range in Phoenix for decades could be 15 feet off at 100 yds for this long and nothing ever been done about it.

But I will do exactly what you're saying next weekend. Maybe even Thursday. I'll report back here then. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words.

And, I will vise the rifle.

 

[dave338]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

hi all got a dumb question ?
Can someone explain about the different reticles
Whats iphy all about
I thought i knew what to order !
Cheers

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

First of all, I'd like to say I'd really like to own a USO but probably never will. I'm one of the bunch that got ridaculed earlier because I'm too poor to afford one and thats nobodies fault but mine.

I've been a member here for a long time and read a lot of posts about optics (especially USO) and even owned a piece of glass or two. I've seen Leupold completely trashed here because someone mentioned seeing "specs on the glass". Wonder how this thread would have gone if Leupold would have been substituted everywhere USO was typed in the first few pages. I think I know.

okie

 

[JRose]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Depends, first the owners of Leupold would actually have to give a shit...

 

[rain252]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dave338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hi all got a dumb question ?
Can someone explain about the different reticles
Whats iphy all about
I thought i knew what to order !
Cheers </div></div>
IPHY = inch per hundred yards, or also called "Shooter's moa"
True moa is 1.047" per 100 yards. (about a 5% difference).

So at 100 yds with IPHY, 1 moa will = 1.000 inch.
at 1000 yds. 1 moa will = 10.000 inches.

With True moa (the usual one found on most scopes):
at 100 yds, 1 moa will = 1.047 inch. Or 1.05, about 5%, or 1/20th an inch more than IPHY method.
at 1000yds, 1 moa will = 10.47 inches, or 10.5 inches,about 5%, or 1/2 inch.

The attraction (to me), is nice even numbers that fit the standard yardages in a simpler way than True moa. Not a huge difference, but I like it.

Not a lot of scope mfr's even offer IPHY. USO does. Or at least I thought they did.

 

[Rafael]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, I'd like to say I'd really like to own a USO but probably never will. I'm one of the bunch that got ridaculed earlier because I'm too poor to afford one and thats nobodies fault but mine.

I've been a member here for a long time and read a lot of posts about optics (especially USO) and even owned a piece of glass or two. I've seen Leupold completely trashed here because someone mentioned seeing "specs on the glass". Wonder how this thread would have gone if Leupold would have been substituted everywhere USO was typed in the first few pages. I think I know.

okie </div></div>
I don't recall anyone being ridiculed because they could not afford something.
I am not a wealthy guy either, and have a mix of gear including some very inexpensive items.

I don't speak for the membership and the membership does not speak for me. I would not be posting negatively on the Leupold since I have little or no experience with them.

 

[dave338]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

thanks that explains it,
cheers

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depends, first the owners of Leupold would actually have to give a shit...

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Oh ya, your right rose. Because someones Leupold cost 1K and you have 2.5K in your USO, that means your more serious about the sport or your job than they are. Why dont you say that to one of the hundreds of snipers that have saved lives with Leupy topped rifles. I bet they give a shit about thiers, as do I.

Like I've said more than once before and still do, as far as tactical glass I dont think USO quality is surpassed anywhere, period. Are they perfect.....hardly. I'm saying that there is, and always has been, a double standard on this forum.

okie

 

[dmg308]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Okie I think he's reffering to the owners of the company not caring about customer service like USO.

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't recall anyone being ridiculed because they could not afford something.
I am not a wealthy guy either, and have a mix of gear including some very inexpensive items.


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A quote from earlier;


"I'd be willing to bet some of the people shying away from USO on account of the dust issue don't have the scratch to put down on that level optic. They should stick to Nikon or something in their comfort zone and not worry about the custom made scopes"

Oh, and I'm done.

okie

 

[Falar]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't recall anyone being ridiculed because they could not afford something.
I am not a wealthy guy either, and have a mix of gear including some very inexpensive items.


</div></div>

A quote from earlier;


"I'd be willing to bet some of the people shying away from USO on account of the dust issue don't have the scratch to put down on that level optic. They should stick to Nikon or something in their comfort zone and not worry about the custom made scopes"

Oh, and I'm done.

okie </div></div>

So you came in here to stir up shit, did so and decided it was too much for you?

That sounds like the very definition of trolling.

 

[JRose]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depends, first the owners of Leupold would actually have to give a shit...

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Oh ya, your right rose. Because someones Leupold cost 1K and you have 2.5K in your USO, that means your more serious about the sport or your job than they are. Why dont you say that to one of the hundreds of snipers that have saved lives with Leupy topped rifles. I bet they give a shit about thiers, as do I.



okie </div></div>

Wow okie, your powers of interpretation are spot on... That's exatly what I meant, that if you don't run a $2k+ scope that it's poo...

I'm sure those snipers picked Loopy's over all others b/c they are the best..

I run two MK4's and they've done fine for me so far, but you so far missed the point, that I'm not even gonna bother elaborating.

Rock your Leupolds, nobody's trying to take your brand away from you.

 

[Rafael]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't recall anyone being ridiculed because they could not afford something.
I am not a wealthy guy either, and have a mix of gear including some very inexpensive items.


</div></div>

A quote from earlier;


"I'd be willing to bet some of the people shying away from USO on account of the dust issue don't have the scratch to put down on that level optic. They should stick to Nikon or something in their comfort zone and not worry about the custom made scopes"

Oh, and I'm done.

okie </div></div>

I didn't say it..... and it can be taken a few different ways.
I have no issues with whatever others choose to use, or the reasoning for the purchase.

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Troll!? Since '03? Does that indicate that anything on here has been "too much" for me? You've been here less that 4 mo. and you calling me a troll? Are you shittin me? You just did everything you accused me of. Your actions are the exact defination of a troll. I didn't stir anything up, its obvious I'm dedicated to this site and would never do that. I stated the truth as I've seen it, nothing else. Do a little research before you open your ignorant mouth. If you dont like it, move on.

okie

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Thats good Raf, I was just letting you know where my statement was coming from.

okie

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Sorry Rose, I appollogise, evedentilly I misunderstood. Please explain what you meant.

And BTW, I'd lot rather have a USO than my ONE Leupold.

okie

 

[JRose]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okie I think he's reffering to the owners of the company not caring about customer service like USO. </div></div>

That pretty much sums it up, without going into a great diatribe.

I've also been <span style="font-style: italic">trying </span> to be more conscious of buying American, I think our country needs all the help it can get.

 

[Rafael]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats good Raf, I was just letting you know where my statement was coming from.

okie </div></div>
Thanks, okie. Sorry I missed that quote.
I respect your opinion and learn from you regularly.
Glad you are around!

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Well, I'm sorry, I didn't see dmg308's post and I think its pretty easy to see how I could have misinterpreted. Dont go into any "great diatribe" on my account

. Alls good.

okie

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Ha ha. Raf, I highly doubt YOUR doing any learning from me but thanks for saying so.

Wow, 13 pages. I'll say one thing about USO, they certainly bring out the passion in thier customers........and for good reason I guess.

okie

 

[crumpmd]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Just to say I made the quote you posted above. It is not ridicule to point out that some may be using the issue of dust or of poor service to justify not buying USO when it is really the price point.
I'm not down on them either. Rather I am down on those who do not own, have never owned, a USO but want to make a judgment about their value. I looked at S&B and Night force and Leopold and Swarworski and could afford any of them. But I bought USO, ordered it custom to my specification and waited for it to arrive.
I now have 3 of them. And no issues.

 

[Rafael]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

I learn from a great many people here.
Maybe others just know alot, or I don't know alot, or a mix of both.

This place is packed with people I can and do learn from. My limitations are vast, but I am working on them.

 

[montyb]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

i have thirty or so scopes of one flavor or another, but my best rifle wears a USO Canadian (with the PGW ser #)

no specks of dust, no problems, but this scope is only shooting out it's second rifle barrel since i've owned it. (i bought it used here)

i wouldn't trade this scope for any other.

 

[okiefired]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

I actually own a Nikon so I guess I fit into your category but I still "worry" about our sport and our optics. Wether a person owns a USO or not dosn't mean he dosn't know enough about optics to comment on them. It certainly dosn't mean that me or anyone else cant comment on what has been said on this forum in the past 5 years which is all I actually did. Never said one negative thing about USO because to be honest, I'm not sure if I know one, I'll try hard to find one though

. Your statement was sarcastic, I know it and you know it, your a sergeon not an idiot. Neither am I.

okie

okie

 

[300WSM]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

wow
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1sikpupi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have thirty or so scopes of one flavor or another, but my best rifle wears a USO Canadian (with the PGW ser #)

no specks of dust, no problems, but this scope is only shooting out it's second rifle barrel since i've owned it. (i bought it used here)

i wouldn't trade this scope for any other. </div></div>

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

My SN-3 3.2-17x ERGO just arrived.

It was perfectly wrapped in bubble wrap inside a cardboard box, packed in another cardboard box and filled with packing peanuts.

The anodizing is perfect, the reticle is perfect (GAP-Mil) with no dust to be seen!

It's a beautiful piece of glass. I can't wait till the sun goes down. My neighbors must think I am nuts. I have been outside glassing everything (scope's not mounted yet!!).

 

[hydro556]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My SN-3 3.2-17x ERGO just arrived.

It was perfectly wrapped in bubble wrap inside a cardboard box, packed in another cardboard box and filled with packing peanuts.

The anodizing is perfect, the reticle is perfect (GAP-Mil) with no dust to be seen!

It's a beautiful piece of glass. I can't wait till the sun goes down. My neighbors must think I am nuts. I have been outside glassing everything (scope's not mounted yet!!). </div></div>

Every new USO I have had was identical. Perfect. Awesome scopes.

I cracked up when I read your comments about the neighbors. I will often take 2 rifles on to the back deck as the sun sets. Just to do a side by side comparison of two optics. Most of my neighbors are retired and they will often be sitting outside. The ones a few doors down I dont know and they definitely get a funny look about them as I point the rifles into the woods(safely) and just look.

 

[jgobbels]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Scope is awesome.

After about 100 rounds almost all of the dust is off and I hope that shooting it this season will eliminate the rest.

Jeff wants it back if its not 100% correct....

Things happen both good and bad with these products and being in this industry previously for 12 years has shown me that.

 

[hydro556]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

Had you been in "the industry" for 12 years when you originally posted about your extreme disappointment?

 

[vpexp]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

I also received a USO with dust on the reticle. Sent it back and they repaired it. My concern was that the warranty information that came with the scope said basically that I should inspect it before use and that if after use there was dust on the reticle that would not be covered by warranty. The other concern was the limitation on temperature change regarding internal fogging. I can't remember the exact number of degrees of change permissible but it was less than taking it from inside to outside during the winter. Again the fogging would not be covered by the warranty. Everything I read says that they stand behind the product 100%, and when I bought the scope I assumed that the warranty was just that (stand behind the product no questions asked), I just could not get comfortable with a warranty that says otherwise on a product at this price point. Why write the warranty counter to how you cover your product? This was about 3 years ago, perhaps they have changed the warranty, I looked on their website but could not find a copy.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: USO Problems (Dust / Dirt) - Anyone Else?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DJA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why write the warranty counter to how you cover your product? This was about 3 years ago, perhaps they have changed the warranty, I looked on their website but could not find a copy. </div></div>

Nope, that is pretty much what the paperwork I got with my SN-3 said.

Here is the deal. I realize that legally they are bound to the warranty they put in the box. They have the option to go above and beyond if they wish. This appears to be the norm from experiences reported here.

Now I CANNOT speak for USO, but the way I read the paperwork you have 15 days to inspect and accept the scope. After that the warranty kicks in. I believe the warranty paperwork also specifies one free cleaning per customer. It does mention the dusts issue and states that this is a drawback of the etched glass reticle.

We live in a litigious society. It only makes sense to put out a limited warranty then go beyond that at your discretion.