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Rifle Scopes Uso sr-8c?
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I have one and I am very impressed. I mounted one on my LaRue 18" Stealth Upper. The Red dot is as good as an Aimpoint and the Mil based reticle is crisp and precise. With this optic I can do CQB and then go out to several hundred meters with precision. You will be very happy with it!
You will get 2 completely different answers here. Some will come and tell you that its an engineering marvel ahead of its time and anyone that disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about. Some will say its not a bad optic but it doesn't live up to what they were thinking it was.
BigJimFish wrote a review on it that is pretty spot on with my experience before I sold mine.
It has plenty going for it. The glass is clear, the construction is bomb proof, turret clicks are solid, the red dot is daylight bright as well as easy to use/manipulate turrets and reticle 'system'. Overall its a quality product like USO puts out.
The things that I noticed when I used it on my Mk12Mod1 SPR in an ADM mount were:
- It's heavy as hell. Switching back to a NF 2.5-10 and NF mount saved almost a pound of weight from the USO setup
- You practically need the extended scout ADM mount or something similar to really crane the scope forward as the eye relief / eyebox is fairly unforgiving especially at 1x
- Target acquisition with the red dot is not fast due to the very unforgiving eyebox at 1x and you tend to either shoot with part of your sight picture blacking out or wait to 'center' your shot which adds time to your acquisition process
- The red dot is nothing like an AimPoint/Eotech reticle and suffers from parallax; this kind of defeats most of the purpose of it for me and offers little benefit over a different optic with a Doctor or RDS mount.
- The reticle I had (C2) had very thick lines/sub-tensions and was subtended in 1 mil increments. Combining only 8x on the high end, a small field of view, a very thick/bulky reticle and 1 mil increments this made ranging and holdoffs much much more difficult than they needed to be.
- The turrets increment in .2 mils so that is either a bonus (faster) or a negative (less precise adjustments) depending on what you're wanting.
- There is no zero stop and if you have the turret with about 2 or 3 revolutions from bottoming out, there is no visible vertical line to indicate what setting your turret is currently on.
- The red dot, from the way its built/designed (not sure how they did this) isn't actually centered and is made up of what looks like multiple dots (kind of like an Eotech). Problem is, from the 3 I've looked through, the pattern is different and some are slightly off center.
I'm happily using a NF 2.5-10x32 with a MIL-R now.
BigJimFish wrote a review on it that is pretty spot on with my experience before I sold mine.
It has plenty going for it. The glass is clear, the construction is bomb proof, turret clicks are solid, the red dot is daylight bright as well as easy to use/manipulate turrets and reticle 'system'. Overall its a quality product like USO puts out.
The things that I noticed when I used it on my Mk12Mod1 SPR in an ADM mount were:
- It's heavy as hell. Switching back to a NF 2.5-10 and NF mount saved almost a pound of weight from the USO setup
- You practically need the extended scout ADM mount or something similar to really crane the scope forward as the eye relief / eyebox is fairly unforgiving especially at 1x
- Target acquisition with the red dot is not fast due to the very unforgiving eyebox at 1x and you tend to either shoot with part of your sight picture blacking out or wait to 'center' your shot which adds time to your acquisition process
- The red dot is nothing like an AimPoint/Eotech reticle and suffers from parallax; this kind of defeats most of the purpose of it for me and offers little benefit over a different optic with a Doctor or RDS mount.
- The reticle I had (C2) had very thick lines/sub-tensions and was subtended in 1 mil increments. Combining only 8x on the high end, a small field of view, a very thick/bulky reticle and 1 mil increments this made ranging and holdoffs much much more difficult than they needed to be.
- The turrets increment in .2 mils so that is either a bonus (faster) or a negative (less precise adjustments) depending on what you're wanting.
- There is no zero stop and if you have the turret with about 2 or 3 revolutions from bottoming out, there is no visible vertical line to indicate what setting your turret is currently on.
- The red dot, from the way its built/designed (not sure how they did this) isn't actually centered and is made up of what looks like multiple dots (kind of like an Eotech). Problem is, from the 3 I've looked through, the pattern is different and some are slightly off center.
I'm happily using a NF 2.5-10x32 with a MIL-R now.
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Here's my take on the SR8-C
First of all, it's the best 1-8x out there, but that's not really saying much. But, its a USO so its a TOUGH S.O.B.
It is Great for its intended purpose. That said, I think there is a misconception on its purpose. The way I see it, it is a Jack of All Trades, but a Master of None.
I think with the 1:8 magnification range you are getting up to the limits of usability and practicality. You have to compromise more than a lower ratio offering. An optical engineer COULD design a 1:25 ratio lens system that would be a true 1x and go up to 25 power. Sounds great right? No, it just doesn't work that way. The 1:8 is approaching these limits from what I have seen.
On 1x the FFP reticle is pretty much useless. That's why it has the Red-Dot. Its good, but I wouldn't say its quite as good as a dedicated Red-Dot like Aimpoint or Eotech. It never will be because it is a Rifle Scope, not a dedicated red-dot. The USO SR4-C looks better on 1x than the SR8-C, but the 1-4x is more at home in this situation. Yes there are better options for CQB, BUT none that will also go to 8x. It would not be my first choice if I'm kicking in doors though.
On 8x the FFP reticle gets pretty thick. If you are trying to shoot tiny groups in paper targets, this is not the scope for you. There is no parallax adjustment needed because I dont think it is intended to be a "precision" optic. But if you are banging steel plates out there at 500-800yds it will get that done. I think it is made to be fast, not precise. The MR10 or a NF 2.5-10 would be a better choice for 500yd+ shooting, BUT they dont have a true 1x and a Red-Dot.
So, what I mean by Jack of All Trades, is that its not the greatest 1x Red-Dot, and its not the greatest 8x rifle scope, BUT it IS the best option that does BOTH. Get it?
First of all, it's the best 1-8x out there, but that's not really saying much. But, its a USO so its a TOUGH S.O.B.
It is Great for its intended purpose. That said, I think there is a misconception on its purpose. The way I see it, it is a Jack of All Trades, but a Master of None.
I think with the 1:8 magnification range you are getting up to the limits of usability and practicality. You have to compromise more than a lower ratio offering. An optical engineer COULD design a 1:25 ratio lens system that would be a true 1x and go up to 25 power. Sounds great right? No, it just doesn't work that way. The 1:8 is approaching these limits from what I have seen.
On 1x the FFP reticle is pretty much useless. That's why it has the Red-Dot. Its good, but I wouldn't say its quite as good as a dedicated Red-Dot like Aimpoint or Eotech. It never will be because it is a Rifle Scope, not a dedicated red-dot. The USO SR4-C looks better on 1x than the SR8-C, but the 1-4x is more at home in this situation. Yes there are better options for CQB, BUT none that will also go to 8x. It would not be my first choice if I'm kicking in doors though.
On 8x the FFP reticle gets pretty thick. If you are trying to shoot tiny groups in paper targets, this is not the scope for you. There is no parallax adjustment needed because I dont think it is intended to be a "precision" optic. But if you are banging steel plates out there at 500-800yds it will get that done. I think it is made to be fast, not precise. The MR10 or a NF 2.5-10 would be a better choice for 500yd+ shooting, BUT they dont have a true 1x and a Red-Dot.
So, what I mean by Jack of All Trades, is that its not the greatest 1x Red-Dot, and its not the greatest 8x rifle scope, BUT it IS the best option that does BOTH. Get it?
I'm about to sell mine, I've loved it on my 16inch LWRC but got a new baby coming and need some extra cash. Its 4 months old, comes with the Larue LT111, original box, caps. Been banging out 1/2 inch groups @ 400 yds with some blackhills 77gr OTM's but that's as far as my local range goes. Great scope, abit heavy but versatile and super clean image. Hit me up on PM if you'd like to talk. Also its the blue dot version with mil reticle.
Woops forgot to mention also has a switchview from MGM Targets which makes it super smooth transitioning through the magnifications.
Woops forgot to mention also has a switchview from MGM Targets which makes it super smooth transitioning through the magnifications.
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Having spent nearly five decades in the business at various levels, I feel that I need to put my two cents of feedback into this question. My background is in both close range (CQB) and sniping. I have coached and instructed several world champion snipers and sniper teams and have written doctrine for Department of State (ATAP). I have worked with many different scopes and manufacturers. Last year, I began my search for a tool to add to my inventory. I needed a scope for CQB and also one which would allow me to do instantaneous incapacitations past 500m. Realizing that the type of scope that I was looking for would not be a cure all for all of my TOTAL needs, I examined over twenty different scopes and manufacturers to determine my best avenue. Normally, I have dedicated scopes for very specific missions, but this time I wanted to be able to move this particular scope around among several rifles for several types of missions. The leader after my research was US Optics in the 1x8 version. Now, I have read about how some have evaluated these scopes and I can state that I feel that there are some conclusions that appear to be skewed towards the negative. One evaluator concluded that he could see slight imperfections in the lens as he scanned an area in front of him during a test. Well, having been in more firefights than I want to remember, I can attest that the operator had damn well better be looking both at his reticle AND for a threat simultaneously. If he is doing anything else, then he is a dead man waiting to happen. I can find imperfections in just about every scope that I have ever looked through. I have had scopes that were 2-3 times as expensive as the USO products that were significantly below the quality of the USO systems. Also USO will custom build your scope to specifically meet your needs. Try finding that with another company.
I have worked closely with Leupold and S/B in the past. In fact, I am the one who originally had Dick and Chris Thomas of Premier Reticles design and produce Mil-dot spotting scopes for me. We did them in the 25x and in the 10-40x scopes. Leupold finally stopped selling the scopes because they wanted to produce them for themselves. They are now part of the US Army's SASS equipment. I also worked with Garth in the engineering department to re-calibrate the reticle housing positions in the Mark 4 scopes. I believe that I my be the only individual ever to be allowed to have the engineering drawings for the Mark 4 M-1 and M-3 systems. Because of my love of the Mark 4 system, I looked at Leupold's offerings but found them lacking when the overall matrix was finished.
I have purchased FOUR 1x8s in the last six months and just ordered a 3.2-17x which I should receive in the next couple of weeks. My scopes are not range scopes or fluff decorations for a pretty rifle. I select every piece of equipment as if my life depends on them. I can say and without a doubt most highly recommend US Optics offerings. Their value (cost vs. worth) is extraordinarily high. Yes, for certain SPECIFIC, narrowly defined missions, there may be others that come close to what US Optics has to offer, but, I cannot change the facts. US Optics produces a scope that will more than meet your mission requirements at a price that is incredibly reasonable for the value received. Also, in my nearly 50 years in the business, I have not found any other scope company who comes close to providing the customer service that US Optics does. A perfect example follows. My eyes are not what they used to be and I need nearly a +3 diopter setting on my scopes in order to be able to maximize my abilities without glasses. I spoke to the folks at US Optics and Jeff explained that they could indeed help me. My personal scopes have nearly a +4 setting on them. Tell me another company that would custom build that added feature to my order. I haven't found one. In fact, every other company that I asked told me that they couldn't meet my request. Kudos to the folks at US Optics. They have my business and their scopes have my back. Nuf said.
I have worked closely with Leupold and S/B in the past. In fact, I am the one who originally had Dick and Chris Thomas of Premier Reticles design and produce Mil-dot spotting scopes for me. We did them in the 25x and in the 10-40x scopes. Leupold finally stopped selling the scopes because they wanted to produce them for themselves. They are now part of the US Army's SASS equipment. I also worked with Garth in the engineering department to re-calibrate the reticle housing positions in the Mark 4 scopes. I believe that I my be the only individual ever to be allowed to have the engineering drawings for the Mark 4 M-1 and M-3 systems. Because of my love of the Mark 4 system, I looked at Leupold's offerings but found them lacking when the overall matrix was finished.
I have purchased FOUR 1x8s in the last six months and just ordered a 3.2-17x which I should receive in the next couple of weeks. My scopes are not range scopes or fluff decorations for a pretty rifle. I select every piece of equipment as if my life depends on them. I can say and without a doubt most highly recommend US Optics offerings. Their value (cost vs. worth) is extraordinarily high. Yes, for certain SPECIFIC, narrowly defined missions, there may be others that come close to what US Optics has to offer, but, I cannot change the facts. US Optics produces a scope that will more than meet your mission requirements at a price that is incredibly reasonable for the value received. Also, in my nearly 50 years in the business, I have not found any other scope company who comes close to providing the customer service that US Optics does. A perfect example follows. My eyes are not what they used to be and I need nearly a +3 diopter setting on my scopes in order to be able to maximize my abilities without glasses. I spoke to the folks at US Optics and Jeff explained that they could indeed help me. My personal scopes have nearly a +4 setting on them. Tell me another company that would custom build that added feature to my order. I haven't found one. In fact, every other company that I asked told me that they couldn't meet my request. Kudos to the folks at US Optics. They have my business and their scopes have my back. Nuf said.
Your conclusion is not even in the ball park. I do not work for USO. I wrote what is factual and totally from PERSONAL experience. From your Posting, it appears that you may be skewed
towards another scope line. If you are, then that is perfectly fine---- just don't project your predilections towards me when you know absolutely squat about my conclusions.
towards another scope line. If you are, then that is perfectly fine---- just don't project your predilections towards me when you know absolutely squat about my conclusions.
A little chatty today, aren't you, reverend?
Your past work at other companies has what to do with the scopes USO produces today? It sounds as if your eyes are "shot" if you need +3 diopters.
Send one back for repair, see how long it takes. I did. 3 months, nothing, asked them to send it back. Less than 1 year old, second time sent in to repair the same problem.
A new variable power scope with a mag ring that does not rotate fully? How does a modern scope company let something like that out the door?
And if you are referring to Jeff Fertal, he left USO a couple of years ago.
8 scopes > now 0.
3 mounts > now 0.
There are too many quality scopes sitting on the shelf, ready to go. USO has a lot to prove to me with regards to QC, initial quality, time required for service, etc.
Good luck with USO, and if my experience is any indicator, you may need it.
Don't be all poking holes in his shill post.
3 posts in 5 years and we are supposed to believe that USO is pure gold when the facts say otherwise.
3 posts in 5 years and we are supposed to believe that USO is pure gold when the facts say otherwise.
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