We already basically know the answer to that question. Orders above oath. I made mention about the NG getting called up to enforce these laws if the local PD doesn't 3 weeks or so back. If the NG is ineffective one way or another the full time military will do it. Orders are orders. All of you in VA good luck.
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We already basically know the answer to that question. Orders above oath. I made mention about the NG getting called up to enforce these laws if the local PD doesn't 3 weeks or so back. If the NG is ineffective one way or another the full time military will do it. Orders are orders. All of you in VA good luck.
As we all know, the 2nd Amendment is there to prevent tyranny and keep the government in check. We have all seen the videos of the leftist saying that WE are out of touch, paranoid, that we don't need guns because these times are not like 1775. I couldn't disagree more. This is tyranny plain and simple and it's not just VA.
The basic problem here is that the Dems feel their new laws **ARE** constitutional
If those laws could be officially declared UN-constitutional by a high court, then there is no longer any question about enforcement
I know everyone here believes SHALL NOT INFRINGE in literal terms (and I agree), but that statement apparently isn't enough to cover specific magazine limits and other features.
The magazine limits and other features will need to specifically be defined as included in SHALL NOT INFRINGE before the Dems will leave them alone. Right now the Dems are making it a gray area.
No one would have to worry about the NG local police or anything like that if there was a clear ruling...
If those laws could be officially declared UN-constitutional by a high court, then there is no longer any question about enforcement
I know everyone here believes SHALL NOT INFRINGE in literal terms (and I agree), but that statement apparently isn't enough to cover specific magazine limits and other features.
The magazine limits and other features will need to specifically be defined as included in SHALL NOT INFRINGE before the Dems will leave them alone. Right now the Dems are making it a gray area.
No one would have to worry about the NG local police or anything like that if there was a clear ruling...
It's interesting that the Democrats Communists are not even in actual power yet and won't be for over a month but they are already full steam ahead saying we will strip your rights and send police with guns and army with guns to take your guns and anything else we want to do like it or not.
They must really feel comfortable that Soros and Bloomberg will give them tons of money and support, to be so open and brazen about things in advance.
Perhaps this might serve as a wake up call to all those "never Trumpers" and all the rest, that well better pick or you won't like the choice that gets decided for you. Because if the Communists take the presidency, the house and the senate, they will come after you in every way possible & are not going to take their time about it either this time.
If we can't get enough folks out to the ballot box to stop it because everybody is all divided and wanting everything to be perfect according to them, I'm not sure any ideas of getting those same folks out to "resist" will fare any better and we may be stuck with the harsh choices of freedom becoming a memory and the world slipping into tyranny, or a small group basically collapsing everything so humans are forced to start over and maybe make a better choice next time.
They must really feel comfortable that Soros and Bloomberg will give them tons of money and support, to be so open and brazen about things in advance.
Perhaps this might serve as a wake up call to all those "never Trumpers" and all the rest, that well better pick or you won't like the choice that gets decided for you. Because if the Communists take the presidency, the house and the senate, they will come after you in every way possible & are not going to take their time about it either this time.
If we can't get enough folks out to the ballot box to stop it because everybody is all divided and wanting everything to be perfect according to them, I'm not sure any ideas of getting those same folks out to "resist" will fare any better and we may be stuck with the harsh choices of freedom becoming a memory and the world slipping into tyranny, or a small group basically collapsing everything so humans are forced to start over and maybe make a better choice next time.
We use to take our k9 prospects to the local NG armory here in NC. Those dudes have 0 chance of enforcing anything like this. They will straight up tell you, they do it for the GI bill and health insurance. They will be the 1st to say they dont want no smoke. VA better have a completely different mindset in the NG if the leftists plan on using them to enforce even a parking ticket.
Historically speaking, whenever a conflict like this starts, there are some serious organizational issues that need to be addressed. have a movement strategy ready. Anyone going to VA will not just be able to waltz in. Look at the conflicts in SA, where armed Boers went to help other Boers who were being massacred, and ended up getting shot up at the roadblocks.
Furthermore, be aware that any pro-Constitution, anti-globalist militias will have informants in it, and some will even be run by government agents in order to gather together rebels and then hand them over.
Also, supply will be an issue. Food, ammunition. People will expect a few days and end up with.........?
Furthermore, be aware that any pro-Constitution, anti-globalist militias will have informants in it, and some will even be run by government agents in order to gather together rebels and then hand them over.
Also, supply will be an issue. Food, ammunition. People will expect a few days and end up with.........?
Man I know a lot of NG troops...…...most are young and looking for collage money, none of them would I hang my freedoms on. I don't say this with any intended disrespect or malice, the ones I know are all good people looking to make better lives for themselves. They're kids who's Mom's and Dad's didn't have the money to send them to college, or needed to grow up a little before they went out on they're own. They are kids and my fear is just that. Imagine for a moment your the guy who some 18 year old private has been ordered to go seize his property from. We're not talking about the SS, here we're talking about the kid who graduated with yours, you might know his Dad, or work with his cousin. He isn't thinking about the Constitution, or your rights, he's thinking about the guy above him just told him to do something and if he doesn't he's gonna get in trouble, and his entire military carrier he's been told he HAS TOO follow that guys orders. He's not making a 2A argument to his SGT, he's just trying not to get balled out. Now you got all the right in the world to protect you and yours, I'm not telling you to not stand up and defend your rights. I'm just thinking it's gonna be mighty hard to put one between little Timmy's eyes. And that's a decision I fear we may be called on to make soon, both Timmy and us.
Cue the internet Rambo's...……………………….
I was in Virginia last weekend and will be watching intently. I'm really hoping we're all wrong and this goes better than we all think it will. But a shooting situation on this subject will leave hurt Americans on both sides.
Cue the internet Rambo's...……………………….
I was in Virginia last weekend and will be watching intently. I'm really hoping we're all wrong and this goes better than we all think it will. But a shooting situation on this subject will leave hurt Americans on both sides.
It would wise to exhausts all peaceful methods in the coming weeks.
Doxxing, boycotts, heckling, refusal of service to Northam and his gang.
Also buy lots of canned food and medical supplies and liquor.
Doxxing, boycotts, heckling, refusal of service to Northam and his gang.
Also buy lots of canned food and medical supplies and liquor.
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All the Cheka, NKVD, and Gestapo types were just little Timmies out to feed their little families too. Sometimes you come down on the dark side of right vs wrong, when you show up to carry out an evil order from evil people.
Anybody who would dare point a gun at me or my kids, and all of us are peaceable moral citizens, should not expect to be given any consideration.
“You will submit to our will - or we will have you killed by the National Guard.”
That’s what I heard.....
That’s what I heard.....
Y'all need to follow up this massive constitutional turnout with a no confidence vote in the state legislature and a recall of the governor, lt. Governor and state AG. Shut it down and start over.
Even if they kill you it will be for your own safety and well being.
Hitler was a young man in WWII, look how he turned out. Never underestimate, never hesitate, it might be the last time you do?
I would shoot Timmy in his fucking face.
These democrats are sick evil people. Do not play nice. Do not talk nice. Do not show respect. This will be war sooner or later. This will be on them.
Is there not something in his oath of service about following unconstitutional orders? Everyone has their own choices to make, and has to live with the consequences of their actions.
But that's Timmy, your neighbor's cousin's nephew's former roommate! Who cares if he just shot your dog and blew away your daughter because she got in the way! He's just a scared young politically neutral man following orders to kill and imprison American citizens.
/sarcasm
I don't know man... I'm trying to remember back when I was a young e-nothing... You are correct in that it would not have been about the Constitution, or people's rights back then for me. I just don't think I could have fired on Americans. I'd have taken the UCMJ I hope... I don't think you are going to find American officers or senior NCO's willing to stand behind the lines and shoot Timmy down when he doesn't shoot Uncle Joe in the face. What a shitshow that would be.
I know a little bit about the National Guard and can offer some insight.
1. Don' t just assume the "weekend warriors" are just playing. Many have already been deployed to a combat theater. They have killed people and seen their friends killed. Not all of them are a bunch of kids.
2. They have received very good training - not only on the weapons they use but the tactics to use them. They know how to work as a team - and a team is much more formidable in an assault and area security then an individual.
3. They have a "system" in place. They will not run out of fuel, ammunition, food, - or personnel. We have been in Crapistan longer than some of you have been graduates from high school. They know how to fight a war. It is not their fault they are not allowed to win a war.
4. Here, in flyover country, when there is a natural disaster (the most common reason to activate the National Guard), a local unit is NOT the one being activated. Think of it like this. If your town is flooded and you are in the National Guard, do you want to be activated to help with the flood? Certainly not. Your house is one of those that have been flooded. There will be a bunch of National Guard folks helping, but they WILL NOT be your neighbors. They will be the folks from the other side of the state. You know . . . where it is NOT flooded.
Finally, not so much a National Guard thing, but individuals that are enthusiastic about guns aren't always enthused about ALL guns. The common term is "Fudds". For instance: rifles vs. shotguns, bolt action rifles vs. bump stocks, Class III weapons vs. target rifles, Cowboy Action Shooters vs. bird hunters, and laser sights vs. black powder shooters. It would not be difficult to convince some folks that all Fords should be scrapped, if they are die hard Chevy fans.
1. Don' t just assume the "weekend warriors" are just playing. Many have already been deployed to a combat theater. They have killed people and seen their friends killed. Not all of them are a bunch of kids.
2. They have received very good training - not only on the weapons they use but the tactics to use them. They know how to work as a team - and a team is much more formidable in an assault and area security then an individual.
3. They have a "system" in place. They will not run out of fuel, ammunition, food, - or personnel. We have been in Crapistan longer than some of you have been graduates from high school. They know how to fight a war. It is not their fault they are not allowed to win a war.
4. Here, in flyover country, when there is a natural disaster (the most common reason to activate the National Guard), a local unit is NOT the one being activated. Think of it like this. If your town is flooded and you are in the National Guard, do you want to be activated to help with the flood? Certainly not. Your house is one of those that have been flooded. There will be a bunch of National Guard folks helping, but they WILL NOT be your neighbors. They will be the folks from the other side of the state. You know . . . where it is NOT flooded.
Finally, not so much a National Guard thing, but individuals that are enthusiastic about guns aren't always enthused about ALL guns. The common term is "Fudds". For instance: rifles vs. shotguns, bolt action rifles vs. bump stocks, Class III weapons vs. target rifles, Cowboy Action Shooters vs. bird hunters, and laser sights vs. black powder shooters. It would not be difficult to convince some folks that all Fords should be scrapped, if they are die hard Chevy fans.
This is why states can't use federal troops. Do you really think members of the guard in sanctuary cities are going to obey?
Interesting situation in more than one way.
They're already threatening everyone over laws that aren't even passed. That's a new one. They don't seem to know what to do because from a strategic point, all they do is react with escalation. Someone hasn't paid attention as to how that starts knocking people sitting on the fence, off of it.
They're attacking the second and now wanting to call troops in. That sounds familiar. Can't wait until they attack the 1st when public opinion/social media/everyone in 90% of the state disagrees with them.
They had no idea it would get this way, and it shows. They were convinced that it would be like CA and NY where some people bitched and then it blew over. Although NY has an estimated compliance rate of <5% they aren't openly defiant. This is the difference and why just hiding your rifle somewhere doesn't accomplish anything. Look at the difference in NY where 90%+ of people still have their weapons, and look at VA before a law even gets passed. Huge difference.
From a leadership standpoint, they don't have an insurrection on their hands; they've lost the confidance of their citizens and have lost control of the state. Their response to the pressure was to 'remind' you that they will enforce any laws they come up with, then 'offer' you a shitty negotiation on them which everyone laughed at and then turn around and say they're going to call in the national guard. This doesn't point to being in a position of control. They're worried at this point.
National Guard can't enforce laws. They can be authorized and deployed CONUS by the order of the President (and I think Congress?) to put down an insurrection. If there is no actual insurrection (i.e. a specifc problem they are needed for) they aren't/can't just hang around. What would their orders be anyways? It's not like there is a standing army of 'insurgents' hanging around at their base or have seized territory. WTF is the guard going to do once they are there? Also the outcome of NG and a domestic, non-reg insurgency within the area the insurgents live with overhwhelming local aid is not something I would suggest as a viable option. I basically have the overall game plan in my mind as to how to counter any guard or non friendly police in the area and managed to form the entire plan while typing this post. They have everything going against them that you can think of.
My one question for VA people though is; if something does happen, who is in charge in your area? What happens? Is it just a fucking free for all where there's 1 person here, 2 people there, and how do you identify each other?
They're already threatening everyone over laws that aren't even passed. That's a new one. They don't seem to know what to do because from a strategic point, all they do is react with escalation. Someone hasn't paid attention as to how that starts knocking people sitting on the fence, off of it.
They're attacking the second and now wanting to call troops in. That sounds familiar. Can't wait until they attack the 1st when public opinion/social media/everyone in 90% of the state disagrees with them.
They had no idea it would get this way, and it shows. They were convinced that it would be like CA and NY where some people bitched and then it blew over. Although NY has an estimated compliance rate of <5% they aren't openly defiant. This is the difference and why just hiding your rifle somewhere doesn't accomplish anything. Look at the difference in NY where 90%+ of people still have their weapons, and look at VA before a law even gets passed. Huge difference.
From a leadership standpoint, they don't have an insurrection on their hands; they've lost the confidance of their citizens and have lost control of the state. Their response to the pressure was to 'remind' you that they will enforce any laws they come up with, then 'offer' you a shitty negotiation on them which everyone laughed at and then turn around and say they're going to call in the national guard. This doesn't point to being in a position of control. They're worried at this point.
National Guard can't enforce laws. They can be authorized and deployed CONUS by the order of the President (and I think Congress?) to put down an insurrection. If there is no actual insurrection (i.e. a specifc problem they are needed for) they aren't/can't just hang around. What would their orders be anyways? It's not like there is a standing army of 'insurgents' hanging around at their base or have seized territory. WTF is the guard going to do once they are there? Also the outcome of NG and a domestic, non-reg insurgency within the area the insurgents live with overhwhelming local aid is not something I would suggest as a viable option. I basically have the overall game plan in my mind as to how to counter any guard or non friendly police in the area and managed to form the entire plan while typing this post. They have everything going against them that you can think of.
My one question for VA people though is; if something does happen, who is in charge in your area? What happens? Is it just a fucking free for all where there's 1 person here, 2 people there, and how do you identify each other?
Any hiccup and the cites will have their hands full keeping their constituents in line.
NG will be there..
NG will be there..
The NG will be federalized then told to stand down. This is the mostly likely scenario.
If Trump is President.
Nobody, every man should be an island unto himself and act according to his own code. When actions are aligned sides will be clear.
I am looking for the tyrants names and home addresses.
Once their orders are handed out they have become treasonous to the Constitution and are top priority targets.
Once their orders are handed out they have become treasonous to the Constitution and are top priority targets.
Good read:
archives.frontpagemag.com
THE CIVIL WAR IS HERE
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.
"(...)There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.
After losing Congress, the left consolidated its authority in the White House. After losing the White House, the left shifted its center of authority to Federal judges and unelected government officials. Each defeat led the radicalized Democrats to relocate from more democratic to less democratic institutions. (cont.)"
The Civil War is Here | Frontpage Mag
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.
archives.frontpagemag.com
THE CIVIL WAR IS HERE
The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule.
"(...)There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.
After losing Congress, the left consolidated its authority in the White House. After losing the White House, the left shifted its center of authority to Federal judges and unelected government officials. Each defeat led the radicalized Democrats to relocate from more democratic to less democratic institutions. (cont.)"
I agree 100%
But you can't tell me that making the decision to defend those you mentioned does not come without sadness. To turn the weapons that I have and the training I've received in order to defend our nation back upon the nation is something not easily reconciled.
Don't get me wrong. I will defend my family with all the skills and resources I posses but when it comes time to battle my neighbor haven't we both lost already?
I would like to say that I didn’t think they were that stupid, but the far left has shown after the election that they are really unconcerned with anybody’s viewpoint but their own.
Basically it now appears that they are going to try to do it through force. And I think it’s going to be a real shit show…
Basically it now appears that they are going to try to do it through force. And I think it’s going to be a real shit show…
I often wonder how many of our LEO's and LE would comply with such an order or stand up like the rest of the citizenry if such an order came down. I have no idea.....maybe some of our LEO/LE crowd can comment on the topic if it's every come up in conversation?My Congressman Rep. McEachin has said Gov Northam should call up the Guard if localities refuse to enforce the new laws coming from the General Assembly.
It seems more and more likely that some conflict will be inevitable as the liberals pursue their fight against our Constitution.
'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution and National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control
Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.www.washingtonexaminer.com
If this doesn't bother you, then you need to wake up.
We are going to end up in a civil war if corrupt legislators don't see what's going to happen...
All of my brothers, we don't need a war but if this is the only way, then you better get trained and find good people.
Hard to believe that legislators are so willing to lose so many lives over gun control.
Stand together, this fight is headed our way.
We are going to end up in a civil war if corrupt legislators don't see what's going to happen...
All of my brothers, we don't need a war but if this is the only way, then you better get trained and find good people.
Hard to believe that legislators are so willing to lose so many lives over gun control.
Stand together, this fight is headed our way.
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This is as plain as it could be, the National guard being deployed tells all of us they are not planning on listening to the majority!
No rest for the weary.
No rest for the weary.
All I can do at this point is talk tough. I hope it stays that way for the sake of me and all other real Americans of this country. I wish no harm but my mind is made if pushed.
i hope you feel the same way “killer”.
So, let me get this straight....in a matter of weeks 77 counties declare themselves, openly, as 2A Sanctuary Counties to give the State the peaceful heads up that an overwhelming majority of their constituents and citizens refuse to have their guns taken in illegal and unconstitutional laws and they do it in a totally peaceful manner. No burning, looting, cursing, threatening, rioting....just one overwhelming voice from citizens and LE that they Will Not Comply with illegal/unconstitutional legislation if enacted.
And this Asshole tells people he wants the military to intervene and for people to die by the hand of their own soldiers?
Get a rope. What a dick.
VooDoo
And this Asshole tells people he wants the military to intervene and for people to die by the hand of their own soldiers?
Get a rope. What a dick.
VooDoo
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