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Vegas/Jason Aldean Concert Shooting
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I always heard it was trying to teach a pig. I guess the point is valid, nonetheless
Same questions here.
Also, Can an AR with a bump stock as they said able to shoot that way? Was not it more like a M24x in 223? Just my humble opinion.
So sad...
Most active shooter events are over in 10-12 minutes.
Not sure why, maybe the "high" wears off.
By all accounts the law was there. the shooting stopped as they arrived (he likely capped himself after shooting the guard). If there is no shooting, there is no reason to rush. Evacuate others to safety, develop a plan. execute on your schedule unless the shooting starts again.
And youtube has now removed that video for "harmful or dangerous content." This may be a new frontier for gun vids on youtube...
I'm glad you took it that way. I hoped a little levity may ease some of the pain of your loss, for which I am very sorry. I know that must be tough.
On a lighter note, here's the promo:
"You've met the Duke boys of Hazard County - Bo and Luke Duke. Now meet their cousin from Down Under - Jake Duke, the Duke Of Brisbane." (Cue various clips of hijinks involving bows and arrows, maybe a trained pet 'Roo for a sidekick, and blowing up outhouses with a boomerang and tannerite).
I can't wait to see it.
Sounds good, I'll slap some Daisy Dukes on the Wife..lol
Again thanks to all my SH Brothers for the prayers, It's been a very hard week. When the News man said that there was over 20,000 people in attendance at a Country Music Concert that night, I was under no illusion that I wasn't going to be affected. NBSD was my last Duty Station and going to Las Vegas for a Boys Weekend was the Norm.
I noticed that 100 rounder didn't run like all four in a row on the first video.... Methinks, bumpstock, NOT!
Mmmm, “50 benzos” is rather vague...Valium tablets range from 2-10 mg. Valium also has two active metabolites which extend its half life up to 72 hours. It would be a serious oversight to dismiss this particular benzodiazepine, in this amount, as irrelavant. With respect, I don’t see how “adverse reactions” could be avoided with this amount of this particular drug. He was prescribed a drug that influenced his memory for three days with the first dose. Every other dose within that 3 day window causes a further builidup and clearance time; if he took even 6 tablets with alcohol inside of two days, I guarantee he is a zombie: functioning, an altered mental state, impaired memory.
50 tablets is more than enough to create a dependence, as opposed to addiction, if they are taken regularly. Additionally benzos hav a strong potential for anterigrade/retrograde amnesia: you loose memory before and after a period when taking them. Heard of “Ambien Drivers”? Ambien is not a benzo, but same problem: take it for sleep, lingers in the am, and somebody is driving in the “Zombie Lane”.
its entirely feasible that this guy had been on an alcohol/benzo binge which created a psychosis based on a movie, memory, who knows. If he had survived, he could very well have come out his stupor horrified at his actions.
Guys’n’gals, a prescription for 50 diazepam tablets is VERY odd. There are shorter acting drugs like Xanax for anxiety, and generally not prescribed in that number. I was shocked at the revelation. This could very well be the reason Mr. Paddock did this.
Dr. Zen’’s professional opinion.....this guy was way over medicated. His doctor needs to be investigated, if he’s still in the country.
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No doubt about it, in addition to lollapalooza, he also booked rooms overlooking a music venue called life is beautiful music festival.
Absolutely premeditated. This guy had an agenda.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...vegas-gunman-lollapalooza-20171005-story.html
Exactly, apparantly, no one teaches their dog to "sing along with the sirens" anymore....
Probably figured Chicago wasn't worth the effort because 60 dead in Liberaltopia is the mere start of a three day weekend.
Some one explain to me why a fuck stick would worry about a NFA law, when he knows if he lives he's going to be a felon?
He had an escape plan what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Did he think he could haul all his legally owned weapons out fast enough to not be looked at after the fact?
If his cameras where there to watch for swat, why the fuck did he not place IED's to take them out an rock on?
When you look, think, sniff an ponder none of it adds up, well unless LE an the gov are lying, but that never happens right?
He had an escape plan what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Did he think he could haul all his legally owned weapons out fast enough to not be looked at after the fact?
If his cameras where there to watch for swat, why the fuck did he not place IED's to take them out an rock on?
When you look, think, sniff an ponder none of it adds up, well unless LE an the gov are lying, but that never happens right?
the lock down on info about this guy puts him in a Crazed Democrat killing Trumpkins,,,, Rouge CIA FBI,,, Arms Dealer,,,, Obama Dick sucker who is just pissed off, I only know he had a Philpino GF and worked for IRS at one point and I am not sure thats even true. Will start a seperate thread to see if we can glean any other facts about this scumbag.
Democrat killers usually leave some sort of manifesto or they have a bunch of social media sites that they proclaim their greatness on and tell others how to live.
Odd their is no trail or it is being scrubbed as we speak.
Put Veer on it maybe he will find some social network life.
Maybe he tried to get in a Harvey Weinstein film.
Odd their is no trail or it is being scrubbed as we speak.
Put Veer on it maybe he will find some social network life.
Maybe he tried to get in a Harvey Weinstein film.
https://www.steynonline.com/8162/theory-of-the-case
His motive is hiding in plain sight, read this theory...it's the only one that makes sense so far.
His motive is hiding in plain sight, read this theory...it's the only one that makes sense so far.
An excerpt from an email I sent last Thursday to a friend who ask my opinion:
He was reported to be a democrat and attended an anti Trump rally. I won't hold any of that against him. I know some good democrats and his political views are his own.
However my personal opinion is that this was designed and implemented as a statement on the availability of firearms in the US. To provide "ammunition" for gun control advocates to use to push their ideas.
The arguments previously used can be countered with facts. Emotional responses are more useful when attempting to pass ineffective laws. The emotion was waning. Got it stirred back up.
The New York Times had an opinion piece today that debunked almost all of the gun control standard talking points. The writers conclusion being that the legislators arguing for more laws were just bad negotiators and the second amendment needed to be repealed. (Added .. this has been poo pooed by a lot of readers, even on this site, but to me it is hugely important. Not for the repeal statement but for the fact that the NYT printed a story that stated the talking points of the bloombergians are false! This should be recognized as a change in tactics from the gun control groups. And if tactics change they will change to something new)
If you look at the pictures of the room just after the cops got in it looks staged to me. Stuff laying around, not like it was dropped but as if it was placed so it all could be seen at a glance.
Guns distributed through out the area. There was a stack of the 100 rnd box magazines piled neatly in a location relatively difficult to access in a stressful situation, buy very visible in the photos. Also this type of mag is notorious for jamming, and this trait is made worse by the vibration of a "bumpstock".
Let's see, there was; "mass shooting, assault rifles, handguns, an arsenal, bumpstocks, massive amounts of ammo, high capacity mags, a rich older white guy with no criminal record, sniper, premeditated actions, lone wolf, Tannerite, legally purchased firearms, 30 purchased in one year". Did he miss any of the buzz words?
Oh poop! My tin foil hat is melting. Them sons o' bitches.
Thank you,
MrSmith
He was reported to be a democrat and attended an anti Trump rally. I won't hold any of that against him. I know some good democrats and his political views are his own.
However my personal opinion is that this was designed and implemented as a statement on the availability of firearms in the US. To provide "ammunition" for gun control advocates to use to push their ideas.
The arguments previously used can be countered with facts. Emotional responses are more useful when attempting to pass ineffective laws. The emotion was waning. Got it stirred back up.
The New York Times had an opinion piece today that debunked almost all of the gun control standard talking points. The writers conclusion being that the legislators arguing for more laws were just bad negotiators and the second amendment needed to be repealed. (Added .. this has been poo pooed by a lot of readers, even on this site, but to me it is hugely important. Not for the repeal statement but for the fact that the NYT printed a story that stated the talking points of the bloombergians are false! This should be recognized as a change in tactics from the gun control groups. And if tactics change they will change to something new)
If you look at the pictures of the room just after the cops got in it looks staged to me. Stuff laying around, not like it was dropped but as if it was placed so it all could be seen at a glance.
Guns distributed through out the area. There was a stack of the 100 rnd box magazines piled neatly in a location relatively difficult to access in a stressful situation, buy very visible in the photos. Also this type of mag is notorious for jamming, and this trait is made worse by the vibration of a "bumpstock".
Let's see, there was; "mass shooting, assault rifles, handguns, an arsenal, bumpstocks, massive amounts of ammo, high capacity mags, a rich older white guy with no criminal record, sniper, premeditated actions, lone wolf, Tannerite, legally purchased firearms, 30 purchased in one year". Did he miss any of the buzz words?
Oh poop! My tin foil hat is melting. Them sons o' bitches.
Thank you,
MrSmith
Keep two things in mind as you read the article:
- It was written by Londoner who works in a Think Tank that looks at the interconnectedness of economic and political issues and outcomes (that really ought to be a big red flag)
- It stamps a motive on the matter using a slippery slope argument - that is in line with what someone from a Think Tank would be paid to come up with
If this man was so meticulous about not leaving a trace of his motive - why was there a cell phone charger in the room that did not match up with any phones of his own?
I have read that LVMPD and LVFBI were cut out of the case as of Monday, and that FBI DC assumed control - is this true?
He was not alone.
If DC took over that is telling, as 3 times in FB1 history that has been done an the outcome was always the same.
There is more bullshit coming out of this guy's mouth ...and everyone else in the news... than entire herd of bulls asses. These guys want to be armchair crime solvers of the highest degree....like tannerite is super explosive.
The thing I never hear from anyone is the round counts from continuous bursts. "YUP! It's a bumpstock for sure...I just know it." What a bunch of ass-clowns.
Added: Forgot to add, he's a gun-hater from England... D'oh! Well of course the motive is self explanatory....whatever. Just another douchebag thinking they know all about everything.
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I suppose; just seems that dogs are your friend, and pigs are just bacon donors...
Entirely feasible.
Of all the benzos to prescribe to a patient of his age whose social history likely involves regular consumption of alcohol (at the very least), Valium is arguably the most problematic. At his age, the half life of a single dose is about 100 hours, at least, as his liver enzymes systematically break the Valium down into (I believe) five active metabolites. Rule of thumb is that 5 half lives are requiired to eliminate a drug from the system. There is a point in this process where the metabolites fall below a clinically significant concentration.
But: continual intake will gradually cause a buildup/backup of active metabolites faster than the body can clear them. Age, liver disease, age related kidney function decline, consumption of other drugs (like alcohol) intensify and prolong these effects. Add to this the fact that the enzyme system (cyto p450) also handles many other ingested chemicals, like caffeine. This system has a finite capacity; in a case such as this, a backup of substances to be cleared occurs, and as those concentrations increase, so do their effects.
Psychosis is the major adverse outcome of long term (over 7 days) of benzo prescriptions in Mr. Paddock’s age group. As such, Valium, a very long acting benzo, seems a poor choice for such a large prescription for self-administration. It is absolutely not out of the question that he could have been on a “benzo-bender” for days. I don’t believe for a moment that one prescription was the only one he had either. If he took five tablets a day over 10 days (as a mild example), drank coffee and alcohol, I guarantee you, at 64 years old, he was suffering a drug induced psychosis. Loss of inhibitory brain function, one of the first casualties in this scenario, would then allow him to act on whatever dark impulse we all have but don’t act on due to how our brains are wired. This is literally a more lethal equivalent of Spring Break activity.
Here is a research article on benzos and their effects on our bosies and minds. Pay attention to the section “Age Related Pathophysiologic Changes”.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684331/
If Mr. Paddock did indeed engage on a scenario such as I described, that prescription was the equivalent of giving matches to a clost pyro, and would explain his actions despite appearing by all accounts to be “normal/nice/decent guy”.
Days to prep for this? After the inital impulse broke through, chances are good he started on a drug and alcohol binge out of anger. “Days” are entirely possible. I’m not saying for certain this is what happened, but to ome degree or another, this was a contributing factor. If he was actually given a prescription for 50 Valium tabs, it was the equivalent of giving Michael Jackson Propofol “for sleep”.
Look at these facts and try to be Paddock prepping, executing, actually thinking there was a chamce for escape. Drugs notwithstanding, I’m ledt with a lot of strange questions.
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Valium used to be the most prescribed medication during the 70s and early 80s. Most doctors will not prescribe it. It is easy to forget you already took one so you take another. But is almost impossible to OD on it. This guy obviously didn't take enough to pass out for hours at a time.
I have been saying something along those lines since Wednsday. Looks like a couple here disagree but at this point it seems the most likely.
I think he thought of the victims as a sacrifice that needed to be made to make us all safer by showing how deadly guns are. I think he was triggered last year when Trump won the election. Would not suprise me if in the past he lost someone to "gun violence".
Personally, I suspect that there was something much like this deliberately in mind when the BATFE approved the bump stock repeatedly. It was a shake and bake disaster, just waiting for someone like the LV Shooter to come along. It's almost like this was an intended thing all along, orchestrated by anti-gun advocates,
Makes me also wonder, as is being suggested, that the shooter was sending a message, an anti-gun message, deliberately.
Even the furor over ban/not ban, regulate/not regulate, maybe intended to paint gun rights proponents into an impossible corner. The NRA is neatly skewered on this one, and I think we can clearly imagine who's overjoyed at that turn.
Then it comes time for the Left to ride to all our rescues. I would not put anything past them, as a desperation move after their obvious loss in the recent elections.
This makes me wonder what other vicious surprise traps may be out there, just waiting.
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Makes me also wonder, as is being suggested, that the shooter was sending a message, an anti-gun message, deliberately.
Even the furor over ban/not ban, regulate/not regulate, maybe intended to paint gun rights proponents into an impossible corner. The NRA is neatly skewered on this one, and I think we can clearly imagine who's overjoyed at that turn.
Then it comes time for the Left to ride to all our rescues. I would not put anything past them, as a desperation move after their obvious loss in the recent elections.
This makes me wonder what other vicious surprise traps may be out there, just waiting.
Greg
So a full week after the incident, it finally comes out that the security guard, who SURVIVED, was shot before the rampage. We'll never know the actual truth. This has been covered up and staged from the beginning.
hmmmm, the Gov trying to get its cover story straight, this is a fucking unhinged democrat killing Trupkins.
Read this and never forget this is what the swamp is capable of in their quest for unlimited power, that city is the biggest (DC) threat to our country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Read this and never forget this is what the swamp is capable of in their quest for unlimited power, that city is the biggest (DC) threat to our country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Where does this fit in? http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-fbi-search-fairport-rett-syndrome/738874001/
If you search "John Beilman shot in the back of the head" multiple sites are reporting that after the FBI stopped by, he wheeled his disabled daughter out back and shot her, then shot himself in the back of the head with a 12ga, all the while the wife who was inside, never heard anything.
If you search "John Beilman shot in the back of the head" multiple sites are reporting that after the FBI stopped by, he wheeled his disabled daughter out back and shot her, then shot himself in the back of the head with a 12ga, all the while the wife who was inside, never heard anything.
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How does that change anything, though? I don't see that changing anything. What you were told before was incorrect, and what you're being told now is incorrect. Where's the change?
I know where you're coming from but even though I question everything I hear and read I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. I just find it curious that with all the manpower they have available it took a week to figure out the latest narrative
