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I agree the H59 is not a good hold under scope. But why would you. The detailed grid is below the crosshair and can handle all the holdover you would require. Feasibly, running my 6mm, I could shoot a whole match without dialing. My elevation is only 5.8 mils at 1k.
I've never held under with a scope. I dial the nearest yardage and hold over for everything thereafter, or don't dial at all. I guess reticle type effects people's choice in this matter.
I was being sarcastic, yes of course the "7evans" are useful and a huge improvement to the 2C. I wish I could transfer them to my two 4.5 - 27's! However, I have used the H59 quite a bit and find it just fine for hold unders as we'll as even more usefull for an even more accurate & faster follow up shot following a miss (assuming of course you see the miss!) than the 2C, one of the more useful things of that particular design. I was referring more or less to that in my comment really. The H59 takes some getting used to granted, but once a person is comfortable with it, its really rather amazing. Probably why I don't like the ".4 numbers" in the way. Though I'd be willing to bet you a 6pak that more people lean my way on that than not. I think "birddog" had some very good comments on this as well as articulating his suggestions well on other potential improvements to the new AMG reticle. It's not that I don't like it, it's just that it could be SO much better even (yeah, I know, personal preference). I mean, even our own "in-house expert resident scope advisor", Bill, has designed a new reticle with some VERY interesting features with those "Nasty numbers" to the outside....!
I messaged Dave about it and he replied, I'll paste it below. Hopefully they do end up releasing it for the Razor Gen 2 because I'd be very interested in swapping over to it.
With that said we may have the EBR-7B in the Razor Gen II at some point in the future. There are a few reasons that are proprietary that we may wait a little while before releasing it in the Razor Gen II and I cannot speak to that timeline right now. When it is released we can do a swap for the reticle for a fee. I don't know what the fee is. I will have to talk to our sales department to find out. Keep an eye out for when we release it for the Razor Gen II and then we can talk about it. Thanks
Dave
Just wondering, what makes you think 2019 and not 2018?One thing to point out is that Dave mentions they "may" have the EBR-7B in the Razor Gen II, but that is not a for certain. How old is the Razor Gen II series now, I want to say about 3-4 years old now if I remember right, I wouldn't hold my breath but my guess is that a Gen III is in the works at the Vortex Skunk Works group, but how long until we see the top secret Blackbird, well no one can say except Dave, but Dave is not going to tell us until they are ready to announce, I'm thinking SHOT Show 2019.
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Any idea on when they'll be in?
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Just wondering, what makes you think 2019 and not 2018?
Because I don't think they would replace the Gen II's so soon; however, 2019 might be prime for something new from the Razor line. It is only a guess as I don't have insider information like some others who sign NDA's. That being said, if Vortex does announce a new Gen II scope or even a Gen III series at SHOT in 2018, I will be pleasantly surprised. I'm thinking the big announcement will be a new AMG scope, most likely a 4-16 but if it is a 4.5-18x50 I will get my wallet ready![]()
I've never had to hold under a target.
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Given how slow the production of the current AMG is, is it wise for them to release another one? I was under the impression that they struggle to keep up with demand as is.
Sorry for the necro-bump, but really interested in retrofitting the EBR-7b into my EBR-2c Razor IIs! Just found this old thread, fingers crossed for news from Vortex.
Any updates on this possibility?
Just can't justify 2500+ on the new .2 mil reticle scopes these days, would rather just improve my Razor IIs. Wish my AMG would breed with them, LoL!
Really hoping to see a reduced weight Gen II even if they call it a Gen III.
They already have that......called the AMG. ?
On a serious note, what does the gen ii do the amg doesn’t do as good? One of the reasons to get a gen ii over amg is the extra weight.
Something will be released at shot. Be it an ebr7b like reticle for gen ii, a gen iii or both.
Sorry for the necro-bump, but really interested in retrofitting the EBR-7b into my EBR-2c Razor IIs! Just found this old thread, fingers crossed for news from Vortex.
Any updates on this possibility?
Just can't justify 2500+ on the new .2 mil reticle scopes these days, would rather just improve my Razor IIs. Wish my AMG would breed with them, LoL!
I would buy two right now.Nothing truthfully I just like the short form factor and the 6x erector on the Gen IIs. Though an ultra short AMG would alleviate the entire issue.
Just curious where you heard this, as I'd love for it to be true!
I would buy two right now.