This is it! This is the one!
I have decided that FOR ME, the new Razor Gen II 4.5-27 will be what I trust my gas money and points to for the foreseeable future.
As many of you know, I have been the few still showing up at some of the tact comps with an SFP.
My old NXS has served me super well. I am comfortable with it and trust it to be there when I need it to work. However, since borrowing John Sommer’s S&B (thank you John) a couple of years ago and some other FFP scopes I believe that I really was giving some points away on some events.
I have been looking for a combination of FFP, good turrets and good reticle for several years now. I have been waiting anxiously for a lot of the new arrivals as well as looking at the existing versions already in the field from different makers. The original Vortex Razor 5-20 was/is very good and I came to love the EBR-2B reticle. The glass is very good but I found it a bit tight to get behind on the high end of X. I also was worried about the turrets moving when they shouldn't.
Around the first of May, I was able to sneak into some secure places and make away with one of the Gen II 4.5-27 models with the EBR-2C and Mil turrets.
My ninja suit
and my accomplice Mr. Sock
made this possible, otherwise I would have been toast. Had I been caught, key people at Vortex would have likely made me dress funny and say bad things to keep from going to jail.
The FOV is very generous, the glass is bright and has very good color. I believe that the turrets are the best design I have found for my tastes. Easy to set, zero stop, lockable and easy to read/set in a hurry!
This last item is one of my personal peeves. I am NOT a fan of the “high speed” turrets with a zillion Mils per revolution. In poor light and in a hurry, you always have to second guess and look again to make sure you really did dial your intended dope correctly.
I did run a 10 mil box test repeatedly and it was spot on. Also worthy of note is that the reticle is perfectly calibrated and the shots were falling exactly against the hash marks when superimposing the reticle against the groups on the large cardboard. The box test was run at 100yds confirmed by tape measure and same for the group to group shift distance. Rifle was my old original SENTINEL with 6XC barrel. Shots were made prone from the deck and gun was shooting in the .3s
I have always pushed for larger diameter turrets with lower profile.
Lower Profile: Anything that can be designed into a rifle system that minimizes the profile and snag points is always a good thing. Anything that sticks out WILL catch stuff, WILL hit things and sometimes even WILL be broken off.
Larger Diameter Turrets: Larger diameter brings with it increased circumference. Increased circumference means more real estate to space out the turret hash marks and allow both increased “click” robustness as well as increased clicks/rev for those of you that still want more than 5Mils /rev. (are you reading this HuDisCo?)
The Gen II Razor turrets have all of that .
It is definitely not a lightweight scope yet compared to many of the 34mm tube / 56mm Obj. FFP competitors in this magnification range, it is really not that far off. I believe Vortex could have VERY EASILY made a light weight scope. I just do not believe such a scope would handle potential hard use and abuse that the Gen II should be able to work through.
Anyway, I was able to take this scope out a few times in May and brought it to the TBRC at NorCal. I was very confident with this scope while there and worked it out from 20yds to 1000yds. In the couple of months that I have had it, it has been on 4 different rifles, literally from a .223 trainer to a .338LM LongSword. It has also been to two Fed. L.E. open house demos with very good feedback from quests twisting the turrets and mag ring a bunch during live fire. I am sold so far.
I see Rob has a thread on this scope and encourage you to visit that ( http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...took-new-vortex-razor-ii-4-5-27x56-range.html ) for more/better pictures and probably way better technical opinions. Since Rob has been out of prison, he has been doing very well reintegrating back into society. Way to go Rob.
Lots of things happening in the optics industry for our niche. It is good to see that Vortex is busy trying very hard to bring value to the upper tier optics market.
FWIW, there were 4 of these pre-production scopes at the TBRC in May. All 4 ran perfectly for 3 days of hard use and the users were all very happy with the performance. I do believe that first place was taken by Francis Kuehl who was running one.
Little bit closer. Sorry. Pics were from my phone camera.
I have decided that FOR ME, the new Razor Gen II 4.5-27 will be what I trust my gas money and points to for the foreseeable future.
As many of you know, I have been the few still showing up at some of the tact comps with an SFP.
My old NXS has served me super well. I am comfortable with it and trust it to be there when I need it to work. However, since borrowing John Sommer’s S&B (thank you John) a couple of years ago and some other FFP scopes I believe that I really was giving some points away on some events.
I have been looking for a combination of FFP, good turrets and good reticle for several years now. I have been waiting anxiously for a lot of the new arrivals as well as looking at the existing versions already in the field from different makers. The original Vortex Razor 5-20 was/is very good and I came to love the EBR-2B reticle. The glass is very good but I found it a bit tight to get behind on the high end of X. I also was worried about the turrets moving when they shouldn't.
Around the first of May, I was able to sneak into some secure places and make away with one of the Gen II 4.5-27 models with the EBR-2C and Mil turrets.
My ninja suit
and my accomplice Mr. Sock
made this possible, otherwise I would have been toast. Had I been caught, key people at Vortex would have likely made me dress funny and say bad things to keep from going to jail.
The FOV is very generous, the glass is bright and has very good color. I believe that the turrets are the best design I have found for my tastes. Easy to set, zero stop, lockable and easy to read/set in a hurry!
This last item is one of my personal peeves. I am NOT a fan of the “high speed” turrets with a zillion Mils per revolution. In poor light and in a hurry, you always have to second guess and look again to make sure you really did dial your intended dope correctly.
I did run a 10 mil box test repeatedly and it was spot on. Also worthy of note is that the reticle is perfectly calibrated and the shots were falling exactly against the hash marks when superimposing the reticle against the groups on the large cardboard. The box test was run at 100yds confirmed by tape measure and same for the group to group shift distance. Rifle was my old original SENTINEL with 6XC barrel. Shots were made prone from the deck and gun was shooting in the .3s
I have always pushed for larger diameter turrets with lower profile.
Lower Profile: Anything that can be designed into a rifle system that minimizes the profile and snag points is always a good thing. Anything that sticks out WILL catch stuff, WILL hit things and sometimes even WILL be broken off.
Larger Diameter Turrets: Larger diameter brings with it increased circumference. Increased circumference means more real estate to space out the turret hash marks and allow both increased “click” robustness as well as increased clicks/rev for those of you that still want more than 5Mils /rev. (are you reading this HuDisCo?)
The Gen II Razor turrets have all of that .
It is definitely not a lightweight scope yet compared to many of the 34mm tube / 56mm Obj. FFP competitors in this magnification range, it is really not that far off. I believe Vortex could have VERY EASILY made a light weight scope. I just do not believe such a scope would handle potential hard use and abuse that the Gen II should be able to work through.
Anyway, I was able to take this scope out a few times in May and brought it to the TBRC at NorCal. I was very confident with this scope while there and worked it out from 20yds to 1000yds. In the couple of months that I have had it, it has been on 4 different rifles, literally from a .223 trainer to a .338LM LongSword. It has also been to two Fed. L.E. open house demos with very good feedback from quests twisting the turrets and mag ring a bunch during live fire. I am sold so far.
I see Rob has a thread on this scope and encourage you to visit that ( http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...took-new-vortex-razor-ii-4-5-27x56-range.html ) for more/better pictures and probably way better technical opinions. Since Rob has been out of prison, he has been doing very well reintegrating back into society. Way to go Rob.
Lots of things happening in the optics industry for our niche. It is good to see that Vortex is busy trying very hard to bring value to the upper tier optics market.
FWIW, there were 4 of these pre-production scopes at the TBRC in May. All 4 ran perfectly for 3 days of hard use and the users were all very happy with the performance. I do believe that first place was taken by Francis Kuehl who was running one.
Little bit closer. Sorry. Pics were from my phone camera.
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