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Rifle Scopes Vortex PST 2-10x44 worth it?

#2
Vortex has made a name for themselves for offering a quality piece of kit with high dollar functions. I give the nod and you'll consider it an upgrade without a doubt.
 
#4
K_4c said:
Vortex has made a name for themselves for offering a quality piece of kit with high dollar functions. I give the nod and you'll consider it an upgrade without a doubt.
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Thanks for the advice. LCDR has mentioned that the FFP is a better value. It's little more expensive, I don't think I have that much cash for it. I still got to get my rings and base setup.

Isn't the FFP supposed to prevent distortion of the reticle during zoom? or higher magnification?
 
#6
I have one. I like it. The new x32 FFP sounds like it's pretty good too. Don't really see the point of FFP in a 10x max magnification, but don't see the harm either.
 
#7
what max yardage do you want to shoot at?

what is your typical yardage you shoot at?

what is the purpose of this rifle / scope package?

Gnarkill.308 said:
Hi all,

I'm in the process of selling my TRS-1. I didn't like its reticle without hold over numbering. I've been eyeballing the PST 2.5-10-44 how would ya'll rate this scope for a beginner?


thanks,

Vortex Optics - Viper PST 2.5-10x44 EBR-1 MRAD
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elfster1234 said:
what max yardage do you want to shoot at?

what is your typical yardage you shoot at?

what is the purpose of this rifle / scope package?
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Well I have a Sps Tactical in . 308. I have access to a outdoor range with a max range of 890. I'd like to start at 100-500+. I've shot most distances with my AR15 in BLM land usually at 100-300 yards or so (Iron sights). But with a Bolt action it it's a different philosophy towards shooting.

I'd consider it a entry level rifle with optics to learn the fundamentals or precision shooting more or less.
 
#10
I have a question generally. Is a 32mm objective big enough for a precision bolt gun? I always thought 40mm was sort of the minimum (even though the ST-10's 37mm is regarded as excellent).
Regards, Macca.
 
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Gnarkill.308 said:
Well I have a Sps Tactical in . 308. I have access to a outdoor range with a max range of 890. I'd like to start at 100-500+. I've shot most distances with my AR15 in BLM land usually at 100-300 yards or so (Iron sights). But with a Bolt action it it's a different philosophy towards shooting.

I'd consider it a entry level rifle with optics to learn the fundamentals or precision shooting more or less.
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There's a guy selling a used super sniper 10x HD in the classifieds for 600/offer that would be a good all around scope for your 308 bolt action.

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/optics-sale/199372-wts-wtt-swfa-ss-10x-hd.html
 
#12
Just Macca said:
I have a question generally. Is a 32mm objective big enough for a precision bolt gun? I always thought 40mm was sort of the minimum (even though the ST-10's 37mm is regarded as excellent).
Regards, Macca.
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You could but why would you want to when you can easily fit a larger objective? The 32mm scopes in my opinion serve more as an AR style optic with lower profiles but even then given the opportunity to use a larger objective I don't see why not unless you're concerned with weight because realistically few people need a lower profile that aren't using it in work related purposes.
 
#13
32mm works just fine. It is a sleek lightweight scope, and is great for ranging as well as dual purpose hunting and tactical use. It has an illuminated reticle and its glass quality is superior to the 44 IMO. I have used it with success up to 400 yds with a 270 Win hunting rifle shooting 130s.

If you want to use it with an AR, then you can; it's multi-purpose, and that's why I think it is a much better value than the 44.
 
#14
The Vortex PST 2.5-10x32mm is the the best model to date. IMO, the glass looks much clearer then the other models. It looks like Vortex will be changing over to the aluminum mag ring on all the PST models. Maybe along with better glass?
 
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LCDR JGB said:
32mm works just fine. It is a sleek lightweight scope, and is great for ranging as well as dual purpose hunting and tactical use. It has an illuminated reticle and its glass quality is superior to the 44 IMO. I have used it with success up to 400 yds with a 270 Win hunting rifle shooting 130s.

If you want to use it with an AR, then you can; it's multi-purpose, and that's why I think it is a much better value than the 44.
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I agree about the glass but they're both illuminated, they both have the same reticle, and the 32mm only weighs .1oz less than the 44mm which is a bigger objective that is ALWAYS better for hunting especially in low light conditions.
 
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LCDR JGB said:
You forgot that the 32 is also FFP.
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You didn't bring up the focal plane so I didn't think it was a talking point that needed rehashed. FFP is a benefit but it's also extra $$$. There are still a lot of guys out there who still prefer SFP (Not me though, lol) and may feel the extra cost incurred isn't worth it.
 
#18
_Nick_ said:
You didn't bring up the focal plane so I didn't think it was a talking point that needed rehashed. FFP is a benefit but it's also extra $$$. There are still a lot of guys out there who still prefer SFP (Not me though, lol) and may feel the extra cost incurred isn't worth it.
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Take a look above Nick:

LCDR JGB said:
I think that the 2-10x32 FFP is a better value
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The cost is only marginally higher. Nothing wrong with the 44, but the 32 has better glass and is all around better value. If you or the OP prefer SFP then get SFP. If you want a big objective then get one; I don't believe it's necessary. There are plenty of good options out there in the SFP, 10X range.
 
#19
LCDR JGB said:
Take a look above Nick:

LCDR JGB said:
I think that the 2-10x32 FFP is a better value
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The cost is only marginally higher. Nothing wrong with the 44, but the 32 has better glass and is all around better value. If you or the OP prefer SFP then get SFP. If you want a big objective then get one; I don't believe it's necessary. There are plenty of good options out there in the SFP, 10X range.
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I didn't quote that statement earlier. So take look below at what I actually quoted and tell me where that talking point was regarding the focal plane? If I had disagreed with your previous statement which you're trying to drag into it then you'd have reason but you don't.

LCDR JGB said:
32mm works just fine. It is a sleek lightweight scope, and is great for ranging as well as dual purpose hunting and tactical use. It has an illuminated reticle and its glass quality is superior to the 44 IMO. I have used it with success up to 400 yds with a 270 Win hunting rifle shooting 130s.

If you want to use it with an AR, then you can; it's multi-purpose, and that's why I think it is a much better value than the 44.
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Gnarkill.308 said:
Hi all,

I'm in the process of selling my TRS-1. I didn't like its reticle without hold over numbering. I've been eyeballing the PST 2.5-10-44 how would ya'll rate this scope for a beginner?


thanks,

Vortex Optics - Viper PST 2.5-10x44 EBR-1 MRAD
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[MENTION=76996]Gnarkill.308[/MENTION], since you probably don't appreciate the pissing contest between [MENTION=52175]_Nick_[/MENTION] and I, why don't you read a quality review on the 2-10X44 PST by a scope reviewing expert, ILya Koshkin and decide for yourself:

Mid-range Tactical: Part 1 » OpticsThoughts

IMO, there is no contest between the two. Take that and $1.50 and you can get a coffee at McD's.
 
#21
A great scope that's in the price range of the Vipers is the Sightron SIII 3.5-10x44. It can be had in moa/moa or mil/mil. For pure optical clarity it will likely be one of the best available under $1k. They track spot on as well. For compactness, the new PST 32mm would be my pick, if size isn't an issue and you may shoot in low light, the Sightron is my pick, followed by the SS 3-15x42 and the Weaver 3-15x50. So many excellent optics under $800 nowadays!
 
#23
_Nick_ said:
I agree about the glass but they're both illuminated, they both have the same reticle, and the 32mm only weighs .1oz less than the 44mm which is a bigger objective that is ALWAYS better for hunting especially in low light conditions.
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Except in this case as it's been discussed over and over that the glass in the older scope with the 44mm objective is inferior to that in the new 32mm scope.

Joe
 
#24
scudzuki said:
Except in this case as it's been discussed over and over that the glass in the older scope with the 44mm objective is inferior to that in the new 32mm scope.

Joe
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That may have been the case awhile back, but I've compared both side by side at the store outside to 500+ yards and frankly they're current runs are the same.
 
#25
scudzuki said:
Except in this case as it's been discussed over and over that the glass in the older scope with the 44mm objective is inferior to that in the new 32mm scope.

Joe
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Exactly, Ive had both version and the x32 has much better glass even with its 12mm objective deficit. Mines on a 300BLK AR so I haven't messed with the turrets much but overall its a very nice scope.
 
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_Nick_ said:
That may have been the case awhile back, but I've compared both side by side at the store outside to 500+ yards and frankly they're current runs are the same.
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The biggest difference is at 10x and low light. My x44 was bought this time last year, so unless they've changed in the last year the x32 has much better low light clarity and IMO broad daylight clarity too. Its just a more crisp scope. Now at 2.5x the reticle is kinda hard to see even when its bright outside unless you've got the illumination cranked up. I too don't see much point in a FFP on 10x scope but if you were using it on a bolt gun that you stretched out a bit it could be useful. For me, Im either shooting supers that I use the reticle for holds, or shooting subs and I know to hold 8moa on the reticle for the same POI but my gun is used for hunting not tactical shooting. All depends on intended use.
 
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1slow01z71 said:
The biggest difference is at 10x and low light. My x44 was bought this time last year, so unless they've changed in the last year the x32 has much better low light clarity and IMO broad daylight clarity too. Its just a more crisp scope. Now at 2.5x the reticle is kinda hard to see even when its bright outside unless you've got the illumination cranked up. I too don't see much point in a FFP on 10x scope but if you were using it on a bolt gun that you stretched out a bit it could be useful. For me, Im either shooting supers that I use the reticle for holds, or shooting subs and I know to hold 8moa on the reticle for the same POI but my gun is used for hunting not tactical shooting. All depends on intended use.
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I did the comparison during the day with heavy mirage, but with the store hours not aligning with lowlight hours it will be a while before I can do a dusk comparison. Frankly I'll almost never use it under 5x, but they don't do a 5-10x lol.
 
#28
Only time mine stays on 2.5 is when I'm walking around. Come to think of it I ought to set it to 5x so I can see the reticle easier. Just been a bit leary to keep the mag cranked up as I missed a deer like that a few years ago. Had my scope on 9 and couldnt get on target fast enough before the doe went over the ridge.
 
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I have not compared the two directly, but with the x32 FFP the FFP function is only useful from 5x to 10x due to the small demarcations. The glass quality is excellent, better than my 1-4 and 6-24 PSTs. I am happy with it, and prefer it to the x44 for compactness alone with hunting; however, the FFP vs. SFP function is not a reason to go with the x32 IMO. Note that useful low light intensity will maximize at about 5-6x for the x32 vs 7-8x for the x44 for equal glass quality, but as someone else stated the glass is not on par. So, whatever.
 
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