Rifle Scopes Vortex Razor 5-20 - 5 mil or 10 mil turrets?

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#1
I've owned a couple 5-20 Razors in the past. They have gone on to other owners now in my ongoing quest for "The Perfect Scope". And once again I find myself coming back to the Razor.

More options are available now, and I'm curious, from those of you who have used them, how are the 10 mil turrets with regard to feel, slop, mushiness, accuracy (stops on the line or can be made to move to a "no man's land" in between hashes)?

The best 10 mil turrets I've used are the NF HS, and if the Razor 10 mil turrets compare favorably to them, it's a no-brainer.

10 mil gives me all I would ever need in a match from my .260 in one turn, but I'd gladly go around one more time for "no doubt", fast, accurate adjustments. The 5 mil turrets are outstanding that way.

So... thoughts?

John
 
#3
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Was it *just* the spacing? Or did the implementation make it difficult to figure out if you were on 4.6 or 4.5 mil? The NF HS took a little getting used to after the wide spacing on the Razor (If only NF would make a FFP in that magnification for under a million dollars...
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) , but they are dead nuts accurate and once I got used to it, could make very fast adjustments. The SS 5-20 I owned was sloppy and vague and could be made to sit in between hashes, so I was never *quite* sure where I was... slowed me down a lot.

I'm leaning towards the EBR3 this time also...

John
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I tried both, I went with 5mil turrets, I like the spacing better than the 10mil, I went the EBR3 reticle. </div></div>

Thats the scope I just bought as well. Very pleased with it.
 
#5
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I owned a Premier 5-25, I miss that scope but not the continuing BS that the company had, I hope Paul is ok, before that I had a all MOA NF, the only thing about the Premier I don't miss is the fine spacing on the knobs, the 10mil Razor wasn't close to the Premier but I just wanted wider spacing, my 1k come up is about 8.2mils, so what if I have to go more than 1 turn, it has a zero stop so to me it's really no big deal.
 
#6
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I have a 5-20 Razor w/10 mil turrets. Very precise but it took some getting used to. At first I would do a couple of clicks when I wanted just one. I thought I may have made the wrong choice and should have got the 5 mill version. With time and practice, muscle memory has taken hold and I am glad I made the 10 mil choice. Like you said, never have to go past one turn.

-Ed
 
#7
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So, it wasn't vagueness of the control that made you overshoot, but getting your body used to the control? That was exactly how I felt about the NF HS, but the SS, no matter how much I played with it, I had to really pay attention or I could end up on the wrong adjustment.
 
#8
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I have 5 mil. version and have used the 10 mil on a friends rifle and played with them at SHOT again to see if I would go that way on the next one.

So far I would stick with the 5 mil version mainly because I'm use to it and for me there's no question where I'm at.
I can dial without lifting my head and still see the markings quickly and not question if I'm on 5.7 or 5.8.

I like the large turrets and spaces between them, Maybe if I had better close up vision I'd be all over it or shooting in bright conditions all the time but here in Wa. its dark and rainy most of the year so seeing small hash marks in dim lighting doesn't help much at all either.
 
#9
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I have the 5mil, and went this direction after using a 10mil/turn SS 5-20.

On paper the 10mil/turn makes great sense, but with a zero stop this becomes a moot point. The 5mil/turn on the Razor is perfect.. you know instantly where you are. Exactly. Period.

Also, aging eyes benefit from BIG numbers and hashes with lots of space around them.

The turret feel on the 5mil is sweet. I like the way it works better than most all of the higher end scopes out there. NO milestone/MTC to get in the way.

FWIW, one of the range regulars owns a 10mil version, after trying mine, he regrets his decision. I have yet to try his.



Funny, I think my Razor purchase was partly fueled by some of jrob300's reviews of his scope. If I remeber correctly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: holdoff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny, I think my Razor purchase was partly fueled by some of jrob300's reviews of his scope.

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Glad my experiences were helpful. Now *you're* helping *me*. Thanks for the feedback.

I loved the turrets on mine... was looking for that "just a little more", but this time I will listen to good advice and end up buying once again the last Razor I owned and should have never sold. Is that the ultimate flattery or what? Hope you're listening Scott and Sam.
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Now... about that thin middle section like the G2 reticle.....
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John
 
#13
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The 10mil Vortex knobs are fine - not quite as nice as the 10mil high-speed Nightforce knobs, but still very good. They are positive, and I don't have a problem rotating them by a single click.
 
#14
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I used both options of the razor (5mil and 10mil) I think vortex will continue to improve the 10mil version, but like others have said for ME the spacing on the clicks was to close on the 10mil verion. Im still working on it, but for now I prefer the 5mil. Hopfully muscle memory eventually takes over like is posted above.
 
#16
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I've been actively looking at both versions and want to thank those who have personal experience with them. Great advice all around.
 
#17
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I've got a 10 mil turn razor and I love it. It's a great scope although in hind sight I think I would have got the 5 mil turn. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be and the 10 mil turn lines are close. They are good clicks though so there isn't a doubt from a tactile feeling where the knob is.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My eyes aren't as good as they used to be and the 10 mil turn lines are close.</div></div>

I think this is a valid concern... losing time trying to figure out where I am when I have a hard time focusing that close. My eyes aren't what they used to be either.

John
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a 10 mil turn razor and I love it. It's a great scope although in hind sight I think I would have got the 5 mil turn. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be and the 10 mil turn lines are close. They are good clicks though so there isn't a doubt from a tactile feeling where the knob is. </div></div>

Just wanted to say that I'm really warming up to the Razor. I shot the Basic Long Range Precision course at K&M this weekend with a Razor that I was sent to demo and left with a very favorable opinion of that scope. I could see what Mike is saying about the line spacing. Luckily I'm not as old as you guys yet so I can see where I'm at on the turret with no problem.
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#20
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Rob,

Thank you for asking this question, the responses have really helped me decide to go with the 5mil version. I also noticed Cobra went went the EBR3 and you seem to be leaning that way. I'm wondering what it is about the EBR3 that's pushing you in that direction? What were the reticles in your other Razors and if you don't mind what were your thoughts on those? Cobra?

Ive seriously been considering trying out a Razor with the EBR2 but that no longer appears to be an option on the Vortex site and I don't care for the looks of the EBR2b. Both of your inputs are appreciated.

/r

If its more appropriate I can start a new thread?
 
#21
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No... it's my thread... we can do whatever we want.
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I liked the EBR3 for the, um, "thinner reticle". Still thick by my standards. The Bushnell G2 reticle is about perfect in the thickness department. .06 mils for the majority and .03 for the first .5 mils so you have a thin crosshair for precision shot placement (I shot a bee with mine).

My match partner brought up a good point though... there *ARE* stages where dialing is prohibitive (slung, time, etc..)and holding wind AND elevation save a lot of time. The EBR-2B is much better for those circumstances and I will probably end up that direction cuz I don't want to hear him whine if we lose a match due to this.
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So... it all depends on how YOU use your scope.

John
 
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Funny you should put that way regarding your partner, I'm in the same boat. Currently we both use TMR's and while the reticle itself is perfect for us, my partner/brother can't read his turrets any longer except in really good light (Mk4 w/auto-locking turrets). Last comp we did I actually had to reach over and adjust them for him
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yes it was very overcast and raining and we were shooting from under a covered structured....but still.

The 5Mil Razor seems to be our best option at this point, I also have a F1 and its better but still not working out to well for him. I just hate the numbers beside the vertical elevation line on the 2b as it covers up almost the first .6mil of windage, hence the reason I was looking for the EBR2. May end up with the 3 ourselves.

Thank you for your insight, you and this thread have been a lot of help.

/r
 
#25
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jrob300,

No problem. Nice to see that someone with more experience with a few different optics has come home.

There may be no perfect scope out there, but the Razor is damn close.

Reticle choice is another highly subjective topic, and I know you like the thinner reticle. That said, there are few times that I wish for a thinner reticle shooting field matches.

The only thing that I have a hard time with on occasion is the open center of the EBR-2b. But, zeroing a rifle or shooting for groups is a rarity. The reticle is perfect as a tool for shooting a match. In fact I rarely dial at all, because of time constraints. If I do need a center for reduced/100yd/small targets I dial to make the first large wind hold dot my aiming point -- works very well.

BTW, I shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor and run the scope between 12-15X during matches. The coresponding FOV allows hold offs to over 1000yds.. your 260 should be essentially the same.
 
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The EBR-2 original reticle is history now.

J-Rob, I was quite happy with the feel of the 10mil turrets at SHOT. They did a great job with them. Line spacing and increment spacing aside, the feel of the knob itself while turning was very very good, maybe 90% as tactile as the 5mil but with a shorter travel. Not vague or mushy at all

Scott
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The EBR-2 original reticle is history now.

J-Rob, I was quite happy with the feel of the 10mil turrets at SHOT. They did a great job with them. Line spacing and increment spacing aside, the feel of the knob itself while turning was very very good, maybe 90% as tactile as the 5mil but with a shorter travel. Not vague or mushy at all

Scott </div></div>

Crap...figures they would discontinue the reticle I liked. You don't happen to have a couple way back in some dusty corner with the EBR2 that no one wants do you Scott? If not I suppose the 3 is my other option.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny you should put that way regarding your partner, I'm in the same boat. Currently we both use TMR's and while the reticle itself is perfect for us, my partner/brother can't read his turrets any longer except in really good light (Mk4 w/auto-locking turrets). Last comp we did I actually had to reach over and adjust them for him
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yes it was very overcast and raining and we were shooting from under a covered structured....but still.

The 5Mil Razor seems to be our best option at this point, I also have a F1 and its better but still not working out to well for him. <span style="color: #FF0000">I just hate the numbers beside the vertical elevation line</span> on the 2b as it covers up almost the first .6mil of windage, hence the reason I was looking for the EBR2. May end up with the 3 ourselves.

Thank you for your insight, you and this thread have been a lot of help.

/r

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I'm glad I'm not the only guy around that thinks shooting through a "number" while holding off for windage is just plain silly and a poor choice in reticle design. Also invariably that's where I hold for wind most of the time, right in the .4-.5-.6 mil area. That's one of the reasons why I sold my Razor. The other reason they didn't have 10 mil knobs at the time but that issue has been fixed.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Runamuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny you should put that way regarding your partner, I'm in the same boat. Currently we both use TMR's and while the reticle itself is perfect for us, my partner/brother can't read his turrets any longer except in really good light (Mk4 w/auto-locking turrets). Last comp we did I actually had to reach over and adjust them for him
smile.gif
yes it was very overcast and raining and we were shooting from under a covered structured....but still.

The 5Mil Razor seems to be our best option at this point, I also have a F1 and its better but still not working out to well for him. <span style="color: #FF0000">I just hate the numbers beside the vertical elevation line</span> on the 2b as it covers up almost the first .6mil of windage, hence the reason I was looking for the EBR2. May end up with the 3 ourselves.

Thank you for your insight, you and this thread have been a lot of help.

/r

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I'm glad I'm not the only guy around that thinks shooting through a "number" while holding off for windage is just plain silly and a poor choice in reticle design. Also invariably that's where I hold for wind most of the time, right in the .4-.5-.6 mil area. That's one of the reasons why I sold my Razor. The other reason they didn't have 10 mil knobs at the time but that issue has been fixed. </div></div>

I searched around for quite a while looking for my second razor before I found someone selling an Ebr-2 reticle. I actually had a smoking deal on a brand new Ebr-2b but I went with a well used ebr-2 for this very reason.... It just seemed awkward aiming through a number.....
 
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