Rifle Scopes Vortex vs Nightforce

[918v]

I keep this stuff about the NX8 eyebox, parallax, field of view issues, wtf???

I have the 4.5-32 model and it’s fine. I can get behind it and acquire the image just fine. The parallax adjustment works as advertised. It’s not finicky and, unlike the ARACR, I can remove parallax and maintain a sharp image at the same time without fucking with the diopter settings all day. The FOV is the same as the Razor.

The NX8 is smaller and lighter and more handy. I don’t see what’s the problem.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I keep this stuff about the NX8 eyebox, parallax, field of view issues, wtf???

I have the 4.5-32 model and it’s fine. I can get behind it and acquire the image just fine. The parallax adjustment works as advertised. It’s not finicky and, unlike the ARACR, I can remove parallax and maintain a sharp image at the same time without fucking with the diopter settings all day. The FOV is the same as the Razor.

The NX8 is smaller and lighter and more handy. I don’t see what’s the problem.

They complain about many things and say it's not worth the price. But, I never see anyone mentioning that it has an 8x erector compared to a 4,5, or 6x, it parallaxes down to 20 yards, it's light, its FOV is larger than most being compared to, and its street price is nowhere near its MSRP. Is it perfect? Nope. But it does A LOT very well. Because of that, there's going to be some compromises. But the 4-32 and FOV is overlooked too much. Great FOV and tremendous magnification in one scope.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I keep this stuff about the NX8 eyebox, parallax, field of view issues, wtf???

I have the 4.5-32 model and it’s fine. I can get behind it and acquire the image just fine. The parallax adjustment works as advertised. It’s not finicky and, unlike the ARACR, I can remove parallax and maintain a sharp image at the same time without fucking with the diopter settings all day. The FOV is the same as the Razor.

The NX8 is smaller and lighter and more handy. I don’t see what’s the problem.

Imo- it's internet fodder... the 4-32x NX8 is a fantastic scope, that does so many things really well. It does exactly what it was designed to do, which is be a "do it all" scope, in a lighter package. I love mine and I've found that almost all others who have one love theirs too. I don't have any issues with it at all and it's easy to use and easy to get behind too.

 

[SRPowah]

I keep this stuff about the NX8 eyebox, parallax, field of view issues, wtf???

I have the 4.5-32 model and it’s fine.

Most of the complaints are directed at the 2.5-20x model, and most that used both will admit the 4-32x handles the issues much better.

The problem is most don't bother to read which model and just group both under the "NX8 bad" mindset.

 

[startrek]

Most of the complaints are directed at the 2.5-20x model, and most that used both will admit the 4-32x handles the issues much better.

The problem is most don't bother to read which model and just group both under the "NX8 bad" mindset.

NF money stays in USA
Vortex money goes to covid chinese

 

[b6graham]

BuT tHe cOmUnIsT cHiNeSe MaKe SoMe oF tHe ScOpEs derrrrrrr

 

[AznTactical]

NF money stays in USA
Vortex money goes to covid chinese

It's a global economy unfortunately.

NF NXS's are Japan.
Vortex's AMG's are USA and Germany, while their Razors are Japan.

I think Leupold and Sig have the most scopes under $1000 msrp that are "Assembled in the USA".

Do sub $1000 scopes even exist for "MADE IN THE USA"?

 

[beetroot]

Do sub $1000 scopes even exist for "MADE IN THE USA"?

No and thats the bulk of the conspiracy.
Big Government and Big Optic companies have consipered against us to force us to buy cheap scopes not made in the US.

It's part of some bigger plan I tell you.

I'm certain that Vortex purposefully makes dud scopes so you have to send them back to them so they get your name and address and sell them to the Chinese for when they finally invade us.

All the scopes with illumination modules have a small explosive in them so when they do flick that switch in China the explosive render our optics useless and we can't fight back.

I only buy Nightforce scopes as they are the only scopes built tough enough to handle the illumination explosive and survive.
I also heard that for every NF scope sold, NF will go to China and punch a Chinese baby.

 

[toopoorformore]

I ordered a razor gen 2 LPVO a few months back and the illumination didn’t work correctly. I called vortex and they sent me a replacement that arrived to my door in 2 days...all before I had a chance to send the other one back. Vortex won me over in a big way.

Also as I’m sure it’s been pointed out, with the sheer number of vortex optics out in the field, hearing of issues comes par for the course. You’ll hear more problems with Honda civics than Ferrari because there are simply so many out there. Statistically insignificant.

and this is coming from a US Optics fanboy....EEEeeeeee.

 

[Teuchter Boy]

I have had both and now only have the NX8 4-32. Don't get me wrong, the vortex was an amazing scope but it was just too heavy for my use. The NX8 is great with the Milxt Ret, albeit it does get a bit dark beyond x24 (not that I tend to use that much mag) whereas the vortex didn't seem to do this. All said and done if weight is important patch the vortex, if it is not then in my view the vortex is slightly better optically from my experience. Very happy with the nx8 and will be sticking with it.

As to Chinese involvement in manufacturing, rather ironic folks are complaining about this using devices most likely manufactured whole or in part in China. I prefer Japanese or German/Czech glass but Chinese glass has come on in leaps and bounds in the past 5 to 10 years and is accordingly very competitive.

 

[ma smith]

That upper eng of mag on NF is going to be running exit pupil under 2mm, which probably explains the light transimission.

 

[EotS]

Did you read that whole thread? Did you happen to notice where it emerged that he was using loctite and therefore overtorquing the screws?

If a scope fails due to that, it was inherently flawed.
What's the +/- on tq values when using Loctite? No way it varies more than the accuracy variation in the torque wrench being used.
Loctite doesn't change Tq values that much.

 

[phlegethon]

If a scope fails due to that, it was inherently flawed.
What's the +/- on tq values when using Loctite? No way it varies more than the accuracy variation in the torque wrench being used.
Loctite doesn't change Tq values that much.

That isn’t my understanding, but perhaps @308pirate can weigh in as he knows more about this stuff.

 

[AznTactical]

If a scope fails due to that, it was inherently flawed.
What's the +/- on tq values when using Loctite? No way it varies more than the accuracy variation in the torque wrench being used.
Loctite doesn't change Tq values that much.

At the company I work for we generally decrease torque by roughly 18% of dry value torque if the Loctite is uncured. For cured Loctite, aka dry-patch loctite we continue to use dry value torques. This applies to magni black coated hardware from M6 and larger.

 

[308pirate]

At the company I work for we generally decrease torque by roughly 18% of dry value torque if the Loctite is uncured. For cured Loctite, aka dry-patch loctite we continue to use dry value torques. This applies to magni black coated hardware from M6 and larger.

That depends entirely on exactly which threadlocker we're talking about. The tribological properties of threadlockers vary greatly and so does their effect on thread friction.

I'd be interested in learning how your engineers decided on that 18% reduction.

One more thing to keep in mind, bolt platings and coatings have a significant effect on thread friction and not always in the same direction.

 

[AznTactical]

That depends entirely on exactly which threadlocker we're talking about. The tribological properties of threadlockers vary greatly and so does their effect on thread friction.

I'd be interested in learning how your engineers decided on that 18% reduction.

One more thing to keep in mind, bolt platings and coatings have a significant effect on thread friction and not always in the same direction.

Our company's Material's Engineering team have procedures that we in Design Engineering follow. We follow a matrix here that starts with fastener class, fastener type, mating fastener type, joint type, fastener plating or coating and loctite type that leads us to certain torque values. How they come up with these values I don't really care or know. I'm just a worker bee Designer following procedures. My 18% reduction is just based on our matrix where for example M10-1.5 C10.9 dry torque is 40 ft-lbs but with blue loctite it is reduced to 34 ft-lbs. It's worked for me for the last 13 yrs designing HET M1070A1's, FMTV's and JLTV's.

 

[308pirate]

How they come up with these values I don't really care or know.

That's really all you needed to say

 

[AznTactical]

That's really all you needed to say

I'm bored listening to our Quality Engineers arguing with our Industrial Engineers and had lots of time to type stuff and blabber on.

 

[HogsLife]

I’ve been going back n forth on this as well, but more in regards to an optic for a lightweight hunting rifle. That 2.5-20 NX8 is nice and compact like the MK5 3.6-18 but I really dig the NX8 mag range and I’ve always leaned towards NF over Leupold in general.

don’t have a lot of experience with Vortex optics. Great folks with the best CS in the biz. Razor is a tank and extremely reliable from everything I’ve ever heard or seen. The one PST I shot through I was not a fan of.

 

[st1650]

The MK5 3.6-18 is a nicer scope than the NX8 2.5-20. On the other hand, NF does offer better reticles but that’s just my opinion.

 

[BAMCIS]

Would also like to see a coat per, graph.
Betting that may make a difference.
How many were sent in for warranty issues

 

[HogsLife]

Ford Dodge Chevy. Dudes are gonna defend the glass they like to their dying death and tell your yours is gargabe.I’l prefer Khales and then NF, Leupold and rGen Vortex. Not to say Leupold and Vortex aren’t great companies and optics. Both their CS is outstanding and all round good folks. I just like that the ones I like. Don’t mean everything else is trash lol.

Fact is top tier levels of Leupold. NF, Khales, Vortex theres not that much a difference. Is personal preference., creature comforts etc

 

[uscgCGIS]

Having owned Nightforce, Vortex and Schmidt Bender I will say with 100% certainty that NF is at the bottom and complete garbage and it’s not my opinion. It’s fact at this point. Construction is trash, reticles are garbage and their quality control is like Hyena Diarrhea. I wouldn’t use one if you paid me to use it. That’s how bad they are. I am not going to waste my time explaining my awful issues with NF (I already have on multiple sites) but to me both the nx8 and ATACR 1-8 are not worth more than $1500 usd, regardless of opinion. They just aren’t. If you paid over that I have a bridge in liberal New York I am selling for $50 bucks. Lol

I picked up a Vortex and they aren’t bad and my short dot dual CC shits on both of those units including the ATACR and Gen 3 razor. Another fact.

Until any of you gets thousands of rounds behind any of these optics you just can’t say this is better than that. Some of you even admit you have never even held the other optic in question. So how would you even know? You wouldn’t. Period. That tells us all we need to know about what your opinion is worth. Sorry to be so negative but have to tell it like it is.

 

[hafejd30]

Having owned Nightforce, Vortex and Schmidt Bender I will say with 100% certainty that NF is at the bottom and complete garbage and it’s not my opinion. It’s fact at this point. Construction is trash, reticles are garbage and their quality control is like Hyena Diarrhea. I wouldn’t use one if you paid me to use it. That’s how bad they are. I am not going to waste my time explaining my awful issues with NF (I already have on multiple sites) but to me both the nx8 and ATACR 1-8 are not worth more than $1500 usd, regardless of opinion. They just aren’t. If you paid over that I have a bridge in liberal New York I am selling for $50 bucks. Lol

I picked up a Vortex and they aren’t bad and my short dot dual CC shits on both of those units including the ATACR and Gen 3 razor. Another fact.

Until any of you gets thousands of rounds behind any of these optics you just can’t say this is better than that. Some of you even admit you have never even held the other optic in question. So how would you even know? You wouldn’t. Period. That tells us all we need to know about what your opinion is worth. Sorry to be so negative but have to tell it like it is.

Being your 12th post in 13 years I’d personally love #13 to be you explaining your issues on this site. I mean it could change the direction of optics choices for SOCOM for years to come. You having fired thousands of rounds behind these optics is a true accomplishment that no one else here has been able to achieve.

I have cancelled my plans for the next 24 hours and sit eagerly at the edge of my seat to hear your experiences on this 2 year old thread. I believe the outcome of your opinion could change my life!!

 

[RKBArmory]

Here are some good deals on either of your choices.
Razor 4.5-27x56
NX8 4-32x50 F1 Tremor3
NX8 4-32x50 F1 MIL-XT FDE

Edit: Oops. Just realized this is an old thread. Oh well, the deals are current. Sorry.

 

[acudaowner]

sadly again I like almost all the glass I have looked through so far but no and not a chance unless someone else is footing the bill for either.

 

[BurtG]

Well when they sponsor and give so many away.

We all know top scopes are
ZCO
NF
TT

in that order

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Tell me that you don't really shoot without telling me you don't really shoot.

 

[BurtG]

Until any of you gets thousands of rounds behind any of these optics you just can’t say this is better

Lol so 5 1 day matches with practice in between.

Tell me where the most durable scope in the world touched you

Also lol at shit and bender being better. They fail almost as much as gaytex

 

[samnev]

Having owned Nightforce, Vortex and Schmidt Bender I will say with 100% certainty that NF is at the bottom and complete garbage and it’s not my opinion. It’s fact at this point. Construction is trash, reticles are garbage and their quality control is like Hyena Diarrhea. I wouldn’t use one if you paid me to use it. That’s how bad they are. I am not going to waste my time explaining my awful issues with NF (I already have on multiple sites) but to me both the nx8 and ATACR 1-8 are not worth more than $1500 usd, regardless of opinion. They just aren’t. If you paid over that I have a bridge in liberal New York I am selling for $50 bucks. Lol

I picked up a Vortex and they aren’t bad and my short dot dual CC shits on both of those units including the ATACR and Gen 3 razor. Another fact.

Until any of you gets thousands of rounds behind any of these optics you just can’t say this is better than that. Some of you even admit you have never even held the other optic in question. So how would you even know? You wouldn’t. Period. That tells us all we need to know about what your opinion is worth. Sorry to be so negative but have to tell it like it is.

I beg to differ. I own 7 NF scopes starting with the NXS and now the ATACTR. Never had a single problem with any of them. Vortex on the other hand I bought a Gen II VV PST 5-25X-50 Milrad last August It's been replaced 3 times for various problems..

 

[b6graham]

I beg to differ. I own 7 NF scopes starting with the NXS and now the ATACTR. Never had a single problem with any of them. Vortex on the other hand I bought a Gen II VV PST 5-25X-50 Milrad last August It's been replaced 3 times for various problems..

tbf...comparing an ATACR to a shit 8 year old design PST gen2 isn't exactly a great comparison

 

[samnev]

tbf...comparing an ATACR to a shit 8 year old design PST gen2 isn't exactly a great comparison

Did you missed the part of my post where 6 of the 7 NF scopes I own were NXS's. I believe they are contemporaries of the PST Get II Vipers.

 

[b6graham]

Did you missed the part of my post where 6 of the 7 NF scopes I own were NXS's. I believe they are contemporaries of the PST Get II Vipers.

you didnt say 6 were NXS in the post i quoted. just that you went NXS to ATACR

but either way i really dont think the NXS compares with a PST Gen2..product age/cost wise the gen 1 razor would be a fair comparison though

 

[GIXXER2000]

I have a 460 Steyr build coming together and I am going with a Vortex 4.5x27 just from the fact of the heavy recoil. If it fails they will fix or replace.

 

[Hoody2shoes]

I think the nx8 vs the razor lht would be a more apples to apples comparison. The gen II seems more in line with the atacr.

We can talk about specs all day long, but it's really going to come down to the reticle choice and if it works for your use. Once you step up to those price points it's pretty much a given the glass needs to be on the high(er) end of the spectrum

 

[HogsLife]

Did you missed the part of my post where 6 of the 7 NF scopes I own were NXS's. I believe they are contemporaries of the PST Get II Vipers.

Yeah NXS’s are a step or 2 above PST’s all day. Not even. in the same league as each other.