Want to get into...

[Matt3357]

some long range shooting.  This will be my first "big" bore rifle and would like to get your opinion on the setup I have chosen.  If you guys have any better/cheaper alternatives, I would surely like to hear them.  

Rifle:
Savage 10FP in 308 Winchester (Is this the best model to base this build on?)

Stock:
B&C Medalist Anschutz style green with black webbing (Pretty firm on this stock, unless there are negatives)

Scope:
Something around $300 with some doping ability while still being sealed.  (High end scope illiterate)

This basically the gun I want to build:

What is the cheapest place to get the rifle and stock and what is your recommendation for a scope?

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Matt3357]

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Just got another idea. What about getting a stevens 200 in 308 to reduce the initial cost. Get the stock I want and a good scope. Then as money permits, get an upgraded trigger and a higher end barrel.

Which do you guys think will get me where I want to be?

Matt

 

[Oddball Six]

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Stay with the savage. Pretty good intrinsic accuracy of the design, plenty of aftermarket support out there already.

The B&C is a pretty good choice. A few folks here have noted that they have had to take a dremel or sandpaper covered wood dowel and open up the barrel channel a little bit to ensure a good free float. Otherwise, it is a reasonable budget choice.

That optic budget is going to be a challenge. Remember that you are definitely going to get what you pay for here. A $300 optic is going to have all the light transmission, features, and durability of... well.... a cheap $300 optic.

That being said, you have a couple of options. If you are willing to accept a relatively strong fixed power, there are a few 10x options that are half decent.

Check out SWFA's Super Sniper fixed 10x.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P499.aspx

In variables there are a few options if you still want mildots.

There is a cheap millet in that price range.
http://swfa.com/Millett-4-16x50-TRS-1-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P42548.aspx

The other option is finding a Bushnell Elite 3200 or similar on sale or used.

For example, in the optics forums here, once you build up some posts, you can find deals like a Falcon Menace variable FFP plus accessories for $350.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2656723&gonew=1#UNREAD

 

[slayer 2c]

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Matt, Take it from me. The best thing you can do is not do what you are doing. Read, search, read some more, take notes, read some more, and when you finally have it all figured out with reasons why. Then and only then ask your questions. I've found that here they will respect you more and be more likly to answer your questions if you do all the research first, then when you ask you ask a question like I have read the 1:10 twist is better than the 1:12 because of reasons A,B,C,D". This site is full of good answers and advice but you will get the most out of what you work to find.

J

 

[Ky 606]

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+1 on the reading

 

[Nostradumbass]

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I suggest saving your money and buying the best rifle and optics available on the market. That will eliminate upgrading and all you'll have to do then is learn how to be a sniper.....

 

[Longguns]

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Matt, Buy Once cry once. I got that advice before and it is good advice. You pay for what you get, Save your money until you can get Quality Gear. Don't rush or you Will get burned.

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

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krylon spray paint is the schnitz too.....

 

[fdkay]

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A Savage rifle IS quality gear.

A B&C stock is a very good stock for the money.

To the OP, there is nothing wrong with the choices you have made.
The Savage is a fine rifle and will outshoot you for a very long time. your choice of a stock is a solid one (I have a very similar setup). The stock IS heavy and this won't be a gun you run around with.

Now, on to the optics. Some very good recommendation have been made.

The rear focus SS is a good scope, but the turrets don't match the reticle.

The Bushnell fixed 10X would be an excellent place to start.

Also, the Weaver grand slam tactical is usually on sale about 3 times a year and is a 3-10 mil/mil scope. My dad has one and it is a very good scope for 300 bones.

Remember this: a decent base, such as the weaver extended multi-slot rail is 30 bucks (damn near stealing it at that price) and a decent set of rings like th eBurris XTR. weaver tactical or SWFA rings are going to be about 50. As in your picture, get a stock pack, Midway has one for about 20 bucks, you'll need it.

 

[RFutch]

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I agree with everything fdkay says from the stock to the weaver scope and base. Very good stuff for the money. The only thing I would add, is the stock for a savage, keep in mind the savage DBM will not work with the B&C stocks. If that matters to you.

 

[Matt3357]

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Thanks for all of the responses gentlemen and especially Oddball.

I should know better than asking open ended questions where I've done only some research on, on a forum that I am a brand new member of. I guess the dream of a quick answer got the better of me. I apologize for my first impression.

You all raise a good point about paying for what you get, but at this time I only want an entry level gun at this point. There is something to say for saving to get something better but this is all I need right now.

As far as a scope goes, to me a $300 scope is a lot for a scope. I am willing to go more, but I was unaware that $300 would not be enough. This would have been the issue where more research could have helped. I don't need a Zeiss but a $450 scope would be possible, maybe a bit more if necessary. More research is needed.

I do heed the advice of buy once, cry once, but everyone's budget has their limits and mine currently is this. I could save for years and buy a Surgeon, or I could spend a lot less and have a rifle that shoots better than I can now. I have to start somewhere.

Oddball,

I plan on making this place one of the few forums I frequent and am curios how many posts it takes to see the classifieds forum. Thank you for your well thought out and informative response. I just graduated college and got my first "real" job and this winter I am looking to start putting this together. Any advice on a place to read about scopes?

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Matt3357]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RFutch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with everything fdkay says from the stock to the weaver scope and base. Very good stuff for the money. The only thing I would add, is the stock for a savage, keep in mind the savage DBM will not work with the B&C stocks. If that matters to you. </div></div>

RFutch,
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">
What is the savage DBM? I apologize for my ignorance, I have been at home post elbow surgery for about 5 days and this bug has bit me, yet I know not much. My experience comes with owning a Savage 917, btw a super accurate rifle.</span>

Just searched and found out it is a detachable mag system. That is fine with me, I would rather not have one anyway, blind mag is fine with me.

Matt

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

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you could avoid much brain damage,,,,just by perusing the guns for sale forum....and start a wish list and decide to acquire a real gun with a real stock and a real scope...for not much more than you think......rammen noodles are on sale this week at the kroger

 

[Matt3357]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you could avoid much brain damage,,,,just by perusing the guns for sale forum....and start a wish list and decide to acquire a real gun with a real stock and a real scope...for not much more than you think......rammen noodles are on sale this week at the kroger </div></div>

What is wrong with a savage? I am an extreme novice at long range shooting and don't think a $3000 gun will make me shoot better at this point. I need a basic gun to learn the basics on, and from everything I have read, the Savage is the ticket.

Matt

 

[RFutch]

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There is nothing wrong with a Savage and there is nothing wrong with a $300 scope. They just aren't going to do what a premium rifle and scope will do. Define your shooting and let that determine what you buy with as much money as you can afford to spend.

Just how far are you planning on shooting. Long range is a very relative term...

 

[Matt3357]

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Touchè...

As was said, i am an extreme novice at long range shooting. My local range only goes to 200 yards, but i have a spot i can shoot out to 1000 or so. At what point my equipment would become the limiting factor, i have know way of knowing. I do know i have a cap of about $1500 for a complete setup.

Matt

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt3357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you could avoid much brain damage,,,,just by perusing the guns for sale forum....and start a wish list and decide to acquire a real gun with a real stock and a real scope...for not much more than you think......rammen noodles are on sale this week at the kroger </div></div>

What is wrong with a savage? I am an extreme novice at long range shooting and don't think a $3000 gun will make me shoot better at this point. I need a basic gun to learn the basics on, and from everything I have read, the Savage is the ticket.

Matt </div></div>




you see...the brain damage has already started....your retarded thought processes have already stunted your ability to see the global picture.......start with taking the lead of someone that extends a sage'd word.......dummy up dude!

 

[fdkay]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt3357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you could avoid much brain damage,,,,just by perusing the guns for sale forum....and start a wish list and decide to acquire a real gun with a real stock and a real scope...for not much more than you think......rammen noodles are on sale this week at the kroger </div></div>

What is wrong with a savage? I am an extreme novice at long range shooting and don't think a $3000 gun will make me shoot better at this point. I need a basic gun to learn the basics on, and from everything I have read, the Savage is the ticket.

Matt </div></div>




you see...the brain damage has already started....your retarded thought processes have already stunted your ability to see the global picture.......start with taking the lead of someone that extends a sage'd word.......dummy up dude! </div></div>

I am wondering why you feel the need to insult the OP and talk down to him so.
Did someone piss in your wheaties today?

If you have nothing to contribute, go back to surfing porn.

What you SHOULD be doing is encouraging his desire to get into the shooting sports.

He has a budget, he has set his limit, he has given it thought and now he is seeking guidance on how to accomplish his goal.

He can put together a entirely satisfactory setup for his budget of 1500.

To the OP, have you considered buying a model with a better stock that does not need replaced?
Thre is this:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/43532

When you consider the price of buying the base model rifle and adding 230 bucks plus shipping for the stock, you are very near the price of this rifle. I actually prefer this HS stock as the footprint is very similar, but it is considerably lighter.

This would leave you 500 bucks for the glass and mounting system.

 

[Matt3357]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stevens 200 4.41" short action with .473 bolt head from Jim Briggs: $235 + shipping (and FFL transfer fee)
26" Criterion barrel in any caliber, SS recoil lug, and barrel nut wrench from Jim Briggs: $302 + shipping
BC Medalist #2997 stock from Tactical Works: $204 + shipping
Rifle Basix trigger from Midsouth: $82.10 + shipping
EGW 20MOA base from Optics Planet: $38.99 shipped
SWFA SS 16x scope, SWFA SS 30mm tactical rings, flip-up scope caps, & sunshade from SWFA: $373.80 + shipping
308 Go Gage from Sinclair: $30 shipped
Savage large matte black RH bolt knob from Midway: $25 shipped

Total expense for your completed rifle: $1290.89 + all shipping and FFL fee

Building your rifle yourself: priceless

Of course, if you become a member here and start shopping used actions/scopes/barrels/etc. here and a half-dozen other gun forums you can probably do a build for less money if you have the patience to wait for a deal to pop up</div></div>

This is one suggestion that I was given by a member of another forum. Building the gun really interests me. I have a lot of mechanical ability and am really interested in gun smithing. I think this would give me a better rifle in the end, I will be able to spread the purchases out, and I would have built it myself exactly the way I want it. Any input into this path?

fdkay,

I have looked at that rifle and while the stock is similar, I like the looks of the B&C stock better and I want the olive drab color. Also, as far as the weight goes, since the rifle alone is almost 9 lbs, I am not worried about weight.

Thanks,
Matt

 

[RobG]

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I believe, if I may be so bold, what Boltripper is trying to say is take a look in the FS section before making a decision. Looking at a picture on a website and saying, "Hey, thats sick looking," isn't the best way to go about making a purchase. You may not like the BC stock (Hell, I hate the AICS myself). Or how the Savage/Howa/Stevens, functions. A perfect example, in the FS section there is a Remington LTR with Nightforce and quailty rings for only slightly more than your budget. There are others as well. Take your time, talk to some actual owners, lay behind some platforms, then make a decision.

 

[RFutch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt3357</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Touchè...

As was said, i am an extreme novice at long range shooting. My local range only goes to 200 yards, but i have a spot i can shoot out to 1000 or so. At what point my equipment would become the limiting factor, i have know way of knowing. I do know i have a cap of about $1500 for a complete setup.

Matt </div></div>

Well a $300 scope is not going to compare with a more expensive scope at 1000 yards or so. Add less than ideal conditions such as fog, rain, dawn and dusk and you'll really see the difference. The rifle itself is capable of those distances but there is a reason why good glass costs money.

 

[Matt3357]

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RFutch,

I completely agree with you 100%. How much do you consider a decent amount to spend on glass that would be capable out that far? I agree that glass should not be a place where I should skimp at all but my budget will only allow so much.

RobG,

That is pretty much what I read between the lines in his posts. I can appreciate his point of view, <span style="text-decoration: line-through">but as of right now I have zero access to the classifieds</span>, (just realized I do now) nor do I appreciate him calling me retarded. I did do quite a bit of reading on entry level rifles before I chose the savage, but alas, I may pick up the rifle with that stock and hate it, I will never know until I do. I am not sure how perusing the classifieds will help me choose a setup as I am still not able to handle and shoot the rifle without buying it. Around here, I haven't met anybody with a long range setup to hold or try. This is pretty much a lone venture unless anyone here lives by St. Louis.

Everyone,

I will have around $1500 to spend on this in a few months. In that time, I plan on trying to learn as much as I can about all the different offerings and checking out the used sections of some forums I frequent and we'll see where this goes. As of this moment, this setup is the best I have come up with that fits my skill level without making a huge financial commitment. So what have I learned so far:

-good glass costs money
-some people do not like savage rifles
-you need good glass to get to 1000 yards, period (question is how good?)

I obviously come off as being in a rush because of some of the responses I have been receiving. I am by no means in a rush to buy anything. This setup was the result of a couple of nights of searching for an entry level rifle that wouldn't break the bank. Thanks to everyone for helping me out so far. Now back to the question of optics, how good do you need to reach out to 1000 yards? (most likely used to get the best scope possible for the money)

Matt

 

[Matt3357]

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So I looked through like 8 pages of the classifieds and found that you guys have a boat load of money tied up in your rifles. Also, there isn't much in my price range.

For sanity's sake, lets reduce my maximum range to 600 yards for this rifle.

Matt

 

[Matt3357]

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Vortex 4-16
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-16x50-Viper-HS-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P48282.aspx

Falcon 4-14
http://swfa.com/Falcon-Menace-4-14x44-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P47573.aspx


After looking through all of SWFA's scopes, this is what I found. These two are close to my price range. I still need too look up some more reviews on them, but if you know something about them or know of some others, please let me know.

Matt

 

[thickstrings]

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Just my opinion, but, I am hitting at 1k with a SS 10x and a Old Remington 700 varmint spec. .308 in a BC medalist...I might have 1200$ in my set up...if its raining or dark, I am probably not going to be out there...I don't reload, I use FED. GMM 168's... So I say get some reasonable equiptment, which you have picked out and go shoot.....Find some one to tutor you on the fine points of working your equipt.and go home and read about it...If you have access to just 200 then get a .22 and shoot the crap out of it....thats why they call them trainers...Experience is the best teacher...AND for God's sake make sure you get the best ghille suit that money can buy!!!

 

[Icallem]

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Matt,
If you are in no hurry, keep looking in the local shops. I found a model 10 in the HS stock with a nightforce scope all set up for around 2 thousand. I know you said 1500 is tops, but if you can find a deal, maybe lay-away would work.
I don't know if some of the people on here are down on the lower end scopes because like myself have gotten older and need better glass. Just speaking for myself, I have a Vortex Viper that would be considered a lower end scope and it works very well. I would not give it a second thought to 'attempt' shooting north of 600 yards with it. In fact the place where I shoot 600+ has just had the hay baled so I might give that'attempt' this weekend.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Matt3357]

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Icallem

I think I could swing for that if it fell in my lap that is for sure. I will definitely keep looking as I have to pay for my new elbow before anymore toys get purchased. Also, I need to be careful, the girlfriend is starting to get perturbed that she doesn't have a ring yet. So when I bring home new toys, she is getting annoyed to say the least. I think I need to just win the lottery.

Matt

 

[Icallem]

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Did I read that you are near St. Louis?

 

[2guard]

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If you are set on a savage, go buy a membership at savageshooters.com to get access to the members classifieds ($12 a year, well worth it). A custom 308 16" rig just sold for 600 there (I think it was on here too), excellent buy for what he had in it. There are complete rifles, barreled actions and stocks all the time and sometimes really cheap. Save some money and buy a used savage from there, and put the money saved toward glass.
And if you are going to have $1500 in the near future, buy a SS 10x42 for now and practice. When you get the $1500, sell the ss 10x42 for almost what you paid for it and add it to your $1500. The bell and carlson stocks aren't bad, but also look at stockade stocks and hs precision. They are a step up from b&c and choate, but a step down from manners and mcmillan (in quality and price), but should be fine until your skills progress (along with your savings for a new stock).
I can't believed no one recommended a trigger upgrade (or maybe I read over it, correct me if so). There is a lot of hype on the accutrigger, but I have had quite a few savages with and without the accutrigger, and I am not a fan. Buy a rifle basix trigger, shootersdiscount.com has a sale right now and the rb sav-1 trigger is $74.03 shipped with the code SHOOTERS. Great buy and it will improve your shooting and it is simple to install. One of the best upgrades for the money in my opinion.
good luck with your purchase

Oh, and if you are thinking budget build as someone above mentioned on a stevens action, here's a link to my build that came in under $800 for everything:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...569#Post2315569

 

[Matt3357]

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2guard,

I actually joined that website last night to gain access to the classifieds. The suggestion for a stevens build actually came from a guy on that sight. About the trigger, you have pretty much the same feeling toward the accutrigger that I do. It is actually one of the main reasons I want to go with a build so I can get the rifle basix trigger. It wasn't mentioned, but I was thinking about it. The $1500 is my cap for this build period. I plan on scavenging the forum classifieds for anything used I could use or even a rifle that is there. As far as a scope goes, I was looking hard at the Vortex 4-16. I saw you had one on your build and everything I have read about them say they are top notch for the money. I would be willing to pay for and keep a quality scope with a lifetime warranty even if I upgrade to a nightforce or whatever later. If you follow the link in my previous post, it is the new model with the target turrets for around $500. Your build is exactly what I had in mind except I wanted an olive stock and matte black everything else and a 20" tube. I am planning on using a Criterion tube. Awesome build by the way. Have you got it dialed in any better?

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Matt3357]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Icallem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did I read that you are near St. Louis? </div></div>

Yes, I live on the IL side of the river but I work in St. Louis.

Matt

 

[Icallem]

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Matt,
I'm 2-3 hours away, but if you want to shoot some different rifles before you decide on something, I'm always looking to shoot.

 

[2guard]

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Matt,

Also look at the SWFA ss 3-9x42, nice scope, FFP and mil/mil and there is one on the samplelist for $499.
Check with mcgowen before you pick up the criterion, they used to run a special price for first time buyers (15% off I think). Dan Wynne has been great with service and all my mcgowen barrels have been very accurate. Also look at Lothar Walther, they are about the same price as criterion and are supposed to be very nice.
You should be able to pick up a complete stevens rifle for around 300, sell the barrel and stock (even the trigger) to pay for the Rifle basix trigger. And then have around $1200 for everything else. Grab a short action of you are running a 308, there are more stocks available for them and used parts are generally easier to find and cheaper.

 

[RobG]

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The Vortex is a better piece of glass than the Falcon, and yes, I have/had both. Although, the Viper you are referencing above is a hunting styled scope. I don't think anyone is calling <span style="font-style: italic">you</span> retarded, just the way you are going about obtaining your rifle, if that makes sense. SH can be a tough crowd, better thicken up

 

[Furtaker_.223]

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Matt3357,

Welcome to th hide. There is endless decisions that you can make. Go with what you can afford. Me personally had to save up a bit for my Nightforce, and I am very happy I did. I recently just bought a Vortex PST, and I have to say, for 750.00 for a quality glass I was very impressed. It is a SFP, buit I like it.

I as well live in IL and work in St.Louis. Feel free to drop me a PM, maybee we can get out and shoot some steel.

 

[Matt3357]

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RobG,
Pardon the paraphrasing, he said I had a retarded thought process, but that is neither here nor there and he is not a good representative of the quality of people that have responded thus far. When you say it is a hunting styled scope, what do you mean? This is a new model with exposed turrets not the other model with the capped adjustments. Skin is thick enough to take whatever, I just choose not to put up with disrespect when I have done nothing to deserve it.

Furtaker,
I can't afford a nightforce right now and a rifle, that is for sure. I might be able to pull off a nightforce next year, but not right now. I will definitely keep you in mind after my summer calms down and my elbow heals up, always looking to make new friends. Do you ever go to the Belleville gun shows?

So basically I have one decision left to make. Do I get the SS SWFA in 10x or 16x? I have decided to get the SS now and save up for a Nightforce if my desire to shoot more long range is strong. This makes sense to me as far as financially and quality wise.

The new question is now, what nightforce am I saving for? ha

Thanks everyone who helped inform me of everything long range shooting. I apologize to anyone I have upset or offended with my choices or ways of thinking. You all have helped me get a glimpse into the world of Long Range shooting and I want to learn more.

Any more input into my build is graciously welcomed.

Matt

 

[netranger6]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am wondering why you feel the need to insult the OP and talk down to him so.
Did someone piss in your wheaties today?

If you have nothing to contribute, go back to surfing porn.

What you SHOULD be doing is encouraging his desire to get into the shooting sports.

He has a budget, he has set his limit, he has given it thought and now he is seeking guidance on how to accomplish his goal.

He can put together a entirely satisfactory setup for his budget of 1500.

To the OP, have you considered buying a model with a better stock that does not need replaced?
Thre is this:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/43532

When you consider the price of buying the base model rifle and adding 230 bucks plus shipping for the stock, you are very near the price of this rifle. I actually prefer this HS stock as the footprint is very similar, but it is considerably lighter.

This would leave you 500 bucks for the glass and mounting system. </div></div>

Popcorn.

 

[RobG]

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That scope comes with a BDC (bullet drop compensator) for quick hold overs while hunting. The elevation turret is exposed, the wind is not. It would work ,however I do not think it is really what you are looking for. Unless hunting is your main goal with said weapon. Something with a standard mil dot or enhanced type of milling reticle would fit your needs better. With those you can estimate distance and use dots/lines for windage hold offs.

 

[Matt3357]

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Gotcha RobG. Thank you for the explanation. I have decided as of now, I am going to start with an SWFA SS fixed 10 and move up from there later on. The fixed 10 should be more than adequate for my skill level.

Matt

 

[RobG]

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The SS is a popular choice. Can't go wrong there. Another to look at is the Bushnell 10x40 mil/mil from Midway. It has matching turrets/reticle which makes milling and calculations a breeze. No converting mil to moa.

 

[Matt3357]

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So many choices, and things to consider. Why do they make scopes with differences between reticle and adjustments? I guess you could figure out how many MOA each space is on the SS but not as accurate. What would you do?

And how do you determine how far the dots are apart, as in mils? (I assume it comes in the manual...)

Matt

 

[fdkay]

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Because that is what the American market wanted for years. Just like they wanted SFP scopes, not FFP ones.

The SS is a good piece of kit, but I recommend the Bushy 10x or the Weaver 3-10x tactical. The matching reticle/knobs is a very nice feature and the variable mag is also a nice feature.

i have a Falcon menace and I really like the reticle, both the ML16 and EMD are superior to the standard mil-dot. The warranty service on the SS, weaver and bushnell are going to be easier, though if you buy the Falcon through SWFA, that is less of a concern.

 

[RobG]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt3357</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So many choices, and things to consider. Why do they make scopes with differences between reticle and adjustments? I guess you could figure out how many MOA each space is on the SS but not as accurate. What would you do?

And how do you determine how far the dots are apart, as in mils? (I assume it comes in the manual...)

Matt </div></div>

I know there is better info in the optics section on this subject but, a mil is an angle of measurement. 1 mil is roughly 3.6 inches at 100 yds. The distance between the center of one dot to the next is 1 mil. You divide that into 10 segments which is 1/10 mil per segment or roughly 3/8" at 100 yds. The important part is that a scope with matching reticle (mil dot) and matching knobs (1/10 mil per click) is that there is no conversion necessary. If you fire a round and miss your intended target, you can "mil it" by using the reticle. If it is off target by what you measure as .5 mils, you simply adjust or hold .5 mils on your next shot to correct shot placement. If you were using a moa knobbed mil reticle scope, you would have to convert the .5 mils to moa. That .5 mils will convert to 1.72 moa, .5 x 3.44 = 1.72.

 

[VKC]

Re: Want to get into...

The scope reticle measurements and explanation does come with the manual. There are a ton of choices. Whatever you decide, I would match you reticle with your turrets. Eg, moa reticle and moa turrets, or mil/mil. I would also suggest hash marks for your reticle instead of dots because holdovers are easier and in general more precise. But everyone has a different opinion.

 

[Matt3357]

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fdkay,

you are on to something with that weaver. I really was not completely satisfied with a fixed and this may be the answer I am looking for. It is even on sale for $100 off right now so it is the same exact price as the others. More research and maybe a premature purchase of a scope for my rifle.

Matt

 

[doc76251]

Re: Want to get into...

Here is the answer to your problem. Don't know the cat but that's a sweet price for that stick oh and it comes with an optic.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2661095#Post2661095

Cheers,

Doc

 

[Matt3357]

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Close doc, but no cigar.

The glass didn't come with it, it is 30-06 and it is already SPF. Thank you for the link though. I am always up for different ideas.

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Matt3357]

Re: Want to get into...

Thank you to all of those that have helped me make my decision. I am going to go the custom build route on the stevens action with a B&C medalist stock and the 10x SS scope. I believe the lack of a parallax adjustment and a few focus complaints on the other two lead me to the ss. The SS also seems to have a very good resale value if I decide to sell it later to fund a better scope. Thanks again to everyone who had input.

Matt