Waste of time? Measuring cases, projectile& powdr

[GT40MkI]

I've come to terms with me being a little ocd...but was thinking while weighing out my .300 wm brass to the .1 gr, is this really making a difference?

I'm sure the actual volume of the case has a direct correlation with internal pressure and thus, velocity and performance. But does a Nosler case at 250.0 gr vs a Nosler case of the same vintage at 251.0 gr have a significant enough impact that I should spend the time weighing and sorting these cases?

I highly doubt I'll see any difference at 100 yards...or even 200 or 300, perhaps past that, but how much?

Also, I saw a LEE kit that used "scoops" of varying volume to measure loads...I grabbed one just to check it out, and the same scoop - even being as careful as possible, varied by 1 gr or more from scoop to scoop...and to that point, the =/- .1 gr per projectile in a box of 100 175 SMKs...

I really enjoy reloading, but am wondering if I'm spending too much time on the bench to get unnecessary improvements...If I could get 95% performance cutting out a few steps that are taking 2-3x's as long it'd be a nice change...

 

[LawnMM]

Re: Waste of time? Measuring cases, projectile& powdr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GT40MkI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've come to terms with me being a little ocd...but was thinking while weighing out my .300 wm brass to the .1 gr, is this really making a difference?

I'm sure the actual volume of the case has a direct correlation with internal pressure and thus, velocity and performance. But does a Nosler case at 250.0 gr vs a Nosler case of the same vintage at 251.0 gr have a significant enough impact that I should spend the time weighing and sorting these cases?

I highly doubt I'll see any difference at 100 yards...or even 200 or 300, perhaps past that, but how much?

Also, I saw a LEE kit that used "scoops" of varying volume to measure loads...I grabbed one just to check it out, and the same scoop - even being as careful as possible, varied by 1 gr or more from scoop to scoop...and to that point, the =/- .1 gr per projectile in a box of 100 175 SMKs...

I really enjoy reloading, but am wondering if I'm spending too much time on the bench to get unnecessary improvements...If I could get 95% performance cutting out a few steps that are taking 2-3x's as long it'd be a nice change...



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I think it probably depends on the type of shooting you are into. If you shoot benchrest, then yeah, every little odd and anal bit of perfectionism can get you the last few 10ths of an inch for a win or a better score.

Being that you are on a tactical marksmanship website, I say its probably a waste of time. You probably aren't shooting Sub MOA size targets much past a few hundred yards. To that extent, do you feel confident that YOUR shooting ability is sharp enough to take advantage of the minute advantage you may gain spending 3x the time on the reloading bench over the guy shooting 3x the ammo on the range?

I FL size my brass, trim them to length, neck size the brass (my necks blow wide open and I bring them down to tension in two steps), then I prime it and load it. The chargemaster weighs each charge, I think thats beneficial in our niche of shooting. All the weighing and sorting of brass, bullets, primers, neck turning, blah blah blah I really doubt any of that is worth the time invested.

I can shoot a half inch group with my rifle, do I need to spend 3x the time on the bench to try and shoot in the .4s instead of the .5s? Make up your own mind, I say no.

 

[turbo54]

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Agree 100%... See my sig line!

I can often shoot bugholes at 200 yards using NATO brass that has only been sized and pockets swaged. Brass length varying by up to .020", off center flash holes, weight variations of ??? (never weighed). I load on a Dillon 650, but do weigh each charge. I believe that ammo shoots at least as well as my rifle (if not better), and certainly better than me.

 

[Clark]

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It depends on your objective.

If you are going to the national championship for benchrest competition, you may be very fussy about trivial things.

If you are alone and trying to hit an object at 500 yards, the weight of each brass case does not matter much.

 

[subwofer2]

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A waste of time? No way. Until the first weekend of September, the furthest I had fired on a target was 300yds. On that weekend I shot two classes at 1000yds at Alliance, NE. It was a weekend like no other for me. I decided I wanted to fire my Armalite AR-50A1 prone for the entire weekend. Twelve five shot groups were fired for score, another 75 rounds for sighters and fun. My worst group of five shots was 33", best 10.5". All but two of my groups were less than 20" most less than 14", all at 1000 yards. I took first in Hunter and Unlimited and 2nd in two gun/overall.

I loaded my ammo with 220 grains of powder, sorted all the brass to the grain and all the bullets to the tenth of a grain. I sorted all the ammo into five shot groups with sighters to be used prior to each scored group.

All the time I spent prepping and reloading was worth it, too me.

 

[GT40MkI]

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Thank you all for the quick responses - I think for my Weekly range trips I can be a little more lenient, and when the longer-range competitions come around I may step up my game and get OCD again. Thanks

 

[Tripwire]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GT40MkI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I really enjoy reloading, but am wondering if I'm spending too much time on the bench to get unnecessary improvements...If I could get 95% performance cutting out a few steps that are taking 2-3x's as long it'd be a nice change...



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Driving a good rifle right is just as important as reloading correctly.....

Use quality reloading gear, buy good components, anneal cases, weigh charges exactly, and watch TIR.

Been a long time since I gave up on weight sorting brass.......

 

[GT40MkI]

Re: Waste of time? Measuring cases, projectile& powdr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GT40MkI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I really enjoy reloading, but am wondering if I'm spending too much time on the bench to get unnecessary improvements...If I could get 95% performance cutting out a few steps that are taking 2-3x's as long it'd be a nice change...



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Driving a good rifle right is just as important as reloading correctly.....

Use quality reloading gear, buy good components, anneal cases, weigh charges exactly, and watch TIR.

Been a long time since I gave up on weight sorting brass....... </div></div>

As hard as I tried to walk away from it all together, instead of sorting by the .1 gr, today I just setup bins (+/-.2 gr)for 249, 249.5, 250, 250.5, 251, and 251.5....ended up with 20 or more in each bin (80 in the 250.5)...


I'll just keep them together (by batch), check a few and keep an eye on it...seems like a step I'll only need to do once or twice.

My next trip out to the range, I have about 60 rounds I weighed every component down to .1 (Case, Powder, Projectile)...
I also have 50 rounds I just loaded...3.1cc's of Varget, SMK 175s out of the box, and all new Winchester brass...I'll do my own testing and data collection, I just can't see how it would hurt to be more precise.

 

[SOC308]

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I have never sorted or weighed cases or bullets. I only weigh powder charges on the chargemaster.... it does ok for me, I Can shoot 5 shot half inch groups all day long with about any rifle in my arsenal. I shoot F Class and tactical matches and I seem to do alright. I keep all my brass sorted by headstamp and number of firings though.

What i'm getting at is YMMV depending on whatever you choose, however I feel i'm the biggest factor in the equation, not the ammunition I produce.

 

[SScott]

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I have never weighed my brass, since there are a lot of variables to the brass including length and how deep the flash hole was trimmed.
I do weigh all my powder charges though.
As has already been said, for shooting off of a bipod and rear bag, you are better off practicing proper Marksmanship. You might consider working on your breathing, rifle placement, cheek placement, bipod loading, ensuring that there is no parralax in your scope, ensuring rifle is level and focusing on the cross hairs, to name a few.
If you plan on competing, you should also practice shooting from your weak side, as you will more than likley see that in a Match.
SScott
The following group was shot using un sorted brass, upper left dot has six shots in it, and if you look at the next two dots, those shots would have landed in the same enlarged hole.

 

[Kinsman]

Re: Waste of time? Measuring cases, projectile& powdr

Subwofer2

What are you shooting that will hold 220 grains of powder?

 

[tt350z]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kinsman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Subwofer2

What are you shooting that will hold 220 grains of powder? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: subwofer2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I decided I wanted to fire my <span style="color: #CC0000">Armalite AR-50A1</span> prone for the entire weekend....
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Gonna throw out this wild guess and say hes shooting a .50BMG...

 

[GT40MkI]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sunnyside Scott</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never weighed my brass, since there are a lot of variables to the brass including length and how deep the flash hole was trimmed.
I do weigh all my powder charges though.
As has already been said, for shooting off of a bipod and rear bag, you are better off practicing proper Marksmanship. You might consider working on your breathing, rifle placement, cheek placement, bipod loading, ensuring that there is no parralax in your scope, ensuring rifle is level and focusing on the cross hairs, to name a few.
If you plan on competing, you should also practice shooting from your weak side, as you will more than likley see that in a Match.
SScott
The following group was shot using un sorted brass, upper left dot has six shots in it, and if you look at the next two dots, those shots would have landed in the same enlarged hole.

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VERY impressed...thats what I was afraid of...thanks for the info, looks like I'll spend a little less time in the future weighing out brass, and more time punching holes. They really have you shoot weak side? I'm righty and right eye dominant, so I should try a few leftie/left eye? Eeek.

 

[blksno]

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This question basically relates so rather than start a new topic...I'll just add it hear with hopes that it's not to far off.

How important is match brass or neck turning if I'm going to be shooting a gas gun?
My .243WSSM has the ability to shoot sub .5 MOA out to 400 and I've done it more than a couple times, but I'm starting to wonder if my reloading is holding me back at all.
For my .243WSSM, I'm limited on brass selection, but others in my circle DO turn necks, get more consistent neck tension and sort brass do to H20 capacity rather than actual weight.

I'm in the process of building a 300 SAUM Armalite but am considering having it re-barreled to 7mm SAUM since the upper was used and I have no way of knowing how it was treated before I got it.
I'm considering Nosler brass from the get go, but don't honestly know if it's worth buying for a gas gun that may or may not shoot better than 1MOA.

 

[The Mechanic]

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I always think "cumulative error". All it takes is all errors to shift in one direction and you have maximum error. I also think most error is shooter induced.

Imagine a piece of brass a little on the light side, with a charge a little on the light side, with a bullet a little of the heavy side seated a little deep, from the bottom of the 8lb jug of powder, with a little on the thin side neck, etc. etc. you get the point. Now just take another one just the opposite as the next round.

All that most likely won't add up to the error the shooter puts into the rifle but hey why not eliminate as much as you can.
If you think reloading is a chore than you should just buy factory ammo. I actually like to reload. It is very relaxing for me. I am not anal about it but I do get pretty close.

 

[Clark]

Re: Waste of time? Measuring cases, projectile& powdr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always think "cumulative error". All it takes is all errors to shift in one direction and you have maximum error. I also think most error is shooter induced.

Imagine a piece of brass a little on the light side, with a charge a little on the light side, with a bullet a little of the heavy side seated a little deep, from the bottom of the 8lb jug of powder, with a little on the thin side neck, etc. etc. you get the point. Now just take another one just the opposite as the next round.

All that most likely won't add up to the error the shooter puts into the rifle but hey why not eliminate as much as you can.
If you think reloading is a chore than you should just buy factory ammo. I actually like to reload. It is very relaxing for me. I am not anal about it but I do get pretty close. </div></div>

Usually "cumulative error" means successive processes of measurement.
Like copy of a copy of a copy.

For errors all at the same time..
I once analyzed a current sensing scheme [for lighting in in a jet] that had ~90% yield in manufacture. There were dozens of components that each had tolerance that could make the amplification larger or smaller. When I calculated how much error was possible in either direction, the range was so wide, that passing seeming like a tiny target. Yet 90% of the time the circuit performed in the tiny pass region.

This was counter intuitive that so many errors would be cancelling each other.
I told the chief engineer that the circuit was not designed to always work, but it was working much better than worst case.
He said there are ways of calculating the yield with Monte Carlo or rms calculations.
There are probably lots of SH members that understand statisics better than me.

 

[Dakota_Mike]

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For benchrest weighing cases is a good idea. You want your record shots to come from similar cases and not from the entire range in your set of brass.

 

[JWV]

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Weigh, measure and sort everything if it makes you feel better. If you feel better, you should shoot better. But I have never noticed. However, I was shooting an Fclass match, had a obviously defective bullet that dropped me a full 10 points. Had I sorted, I may have pick it out.

 

[EMorr]

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I don’t think its wasted time I saw a dramatic decrease in the ES and SD of my loads when I weighed cases and they were all the same head stamp. If you’re only plinking at short ranges it might be overkill but at the longer ranges consistency and repeatability is everything. JMHO.

P.S.
Oh and I separated the brass and bullets (bullets were also sorted by bearing surface length first) into .5 grain groups the powder was still measured to .1 grain. According to my ballistics computer the difference in vertical dispersion due to velocity differences at 600 yards with the unsorted brass was about 5.4 inches and only 2 inches with the sorted brass. You are correct though at 100 yards I noticed no difference in the groups and have not had the opportunity to confirm the ballistics computer results for 600 yards in the real world yet.

 

[Headgear]

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I read Glen Zediker's "Handloading For Competition" and tried some of the things that he suggested that would/could make a noticeable difference. I did not see much if any difference. I only have access to shoot 200 yards close by and another range that is further has a 500 yard lane. After I measure all my groups from a day at the range, the average is always 5/8 MOA. After all the tweaking I still shoot 5/8 +/-. At those distances, the only thing that I have done to tighten them up a little is join the online training and work on the fundamentals and Shoot, shoot, shoot!

IMO, it's trial and error/give and take. I used to go OCD on reloading but after shooting enough to see clearly that I was by far the weakest link, I backed off some from the bench and spent more time dry and live firing.

Thats just me. Everybody has different challenges, are at different stages and have different goals. Only you know where you at with all of that. Handloading is fun but bug holes are more fun. Its just hard for anyone to tell you weather spending more attention on one or the other is going to show the best results. For me, it has to be fundamentals for now. Hopefully that will change some day.

Try all the tweaking you can and try all the practicing you can. In the long run the holes in the paper will answer the question better than we can.

Good Luck.

 

[Fuzzball]

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Saying, "I got THAT by doing by doing THIS" presumes a direct connection between the methods and results. It's certainly correct in fact but not in detail; much of what we do may not make a contribution. But, it surely won't do any harm to weigh cases, bullets, primers and powder to .0001 gr!

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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If it satiates your anal retentive tendencies weigh every facet of the cartridge....don't forget the primers. You will find some info if you look over on Accurateshooter forum evidence that suggests there is no correlation between case weight and capacity, ie, light cases don't have larger volume as opposed to heavy cases having less volume.weighing and sorting cases within tenths of a grain is pretty ridiculous. Find an average and put those together then have a group you call "heavy" and "light" that will be sufficient. I still don't put much stock in it but I have been known to practice this insanity.

 

[greentimber]

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I've done testing to determine the effects of weight sorting brass. The one that sealed the deal is when I fired (.260 Rem) 50 rounds (10x 5rd groups) loaded from identical components with the brass weight being the only variable through an Oehler professional indoor range system. With brass weighing from 152 to 168 grains (5rds 152gr, 5rds 154gr, etc) my TOTAL standard deviation was 7fps and all 10 groups averaged 0.5 MOA.

I've never weighed a case since.

 

[Rovieairto]

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The further you push a cartridge, the more important the little variables become.
Out to 300 yards, I see little difference.
Many match shooters use progressive machines on their 200-300 yard ammo, but hand weigh charges on prepped and sorted cases for 600+.

Last winter a friend of mine tested the brass weight variance's effect on velocity.
1.5 grains of brass in the 300 WM made a measurable difference in velocity. (It was around 11 fps ave I think on a 3300 fps load)
If you want to shoot sub-moa at extended ranges, these steps cannot be all be ignored.
11 fps at 1k needs a small adjustment to be made, + the node had changed a hair.
There are so many variables to consider plus past experiences to draw from that few folks on this planet can plunk down at 1k and shoot ten shots sub-moa at 1000, even in dead calm conditions.
(Multiple tries not counting.)

At extended ranges it has more to do with attention to the details that matter than marksmanship.

 

[greentimber]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hamilton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
1.5 grains of brass in the 300 WM made a measurable difference in velocity. (It was around 11 fps ave I think on a 3300 fps load)
If you want to shoot sub-moa at extended ranges, these steps cannot be all be ignored.

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With all due respect to yourself and your friend, that's just nonsensical. We have mass-produced factory ammo with single-digit or low double-digit velocity SDs and no wieght sorting whatsoever done turning in 1/2 MOA performance at 1,000 yards.

Weigh a bag of factory brass and tell me factory ammo could ever possibly be accurate or consistent with that much variation.

Again, not being rude or disrespectful here. The facts just don't support any noticeable effects of a 1.5gr variance in cartridge case weight having any effect on velocity. There can be far more variance than that caused by the cutting of the extractor groove with no effect whatsoever on the internal dimensions (volume) of the case.

 

[Fuzzball]

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I haven't cared enough to try to prove it but I'm confident case weight IS a good guide for POTENTIAL volume IF the cases are from the same lot. Trying to directly couple case weight with water volume/weight is likely to be skewed by small differences in how well the case has taken the fit of the chamber or FL sizer. It won't take much difference in springback to hide the real volume different cases have when fully expanded in firing.

I have filed enough brass off case necks to see how much it takes to make a couple of tenths; it ain't much and I am confident the difference in volume of most cases due to a few tenths is meaningless at any distance. A difference in individual primers probably makes a bigger difference down range.

 

[Headgear]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, I saw a LEE kit that used "scoops" of varying volume to measure loads...I grabbed one just to check it out, and the same scoop - even being as careful as possible, varied by 1 gr or more from scoop to scoop...and to that point, the =/- .1 gr per projectile in a box of 100 175 SMKs...
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Every one jumped on the case volume part but I also wonder about the powder. A 1 grain difference is just scary let alone the accuracy part. But what about a .1 grain difference out of a Charge Master or the like? Would weighing each charge to .01 on a better scale show a difference? I'm guessing the answer to that would be the same as the volume question: between 100 and 500 yards, probably not, but beyond that it may start showing up. I wonder if anyone has studied that?

Fuzzball probably said it best:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But, it surely won't do any harm to weigh cases, bullets, primers and powder to .0001 gr! </div></div>

Just keep trying. It's all good!

 

[Fuzzball]

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Wellll...thanks. I think. But I'd bet that weighting anything to one ten thousant ain't gonna HELP either!

 

[VKC]

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I wondered that same things and went through the same tedious weight sorting, measuring and obsessing about every factor or variable in reloading.

I think it does make a difference if you are benchrest competition shooting at extreme distances.

However, to hit a chest sized steel plate up to 1000 yards or 1/2 MOA precision shooting, no I don't think all those factor matter that much.

I've quit trimming to the exact same length each time, I just trim my cases when they get to the max recommended length.

I don't think weight sorting cases matter that much, but I keep the same lot together.

Weight sorting bullets matter more. For Berger bullets I have not needed to weight sort. For Sierra bullets, I weight sort, but that is my preference and not absolutely necessary.

The factors that matter more are a good seating die which is consistent and seats the bullet with good concentricity. COAL or better just to datum line to seat your bullets at the right length for your chamber. Plus a good resizing die.

I just use a RCBS chargemaster, which provides enough powder charge consistency for me. I do think that powder throws, depending on type and manufacturer, and the powder shape (tubular, etc), does make a difference.

 

[Rovieairto]

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We did the testing, and that is what we learned.
With all due respect, you have more to learn as well.

 

[Supersubes]

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I don't do any of that crap. I throw charges directly from a BR measure. Gun shoots fine everywhere. I haven't even been chasing the throat. After .060" of erosion, I can't tell a difference in accuracy.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Ok can we all agree that single digit SD is the goal? If you have single digit SD then that is about as good as it gets...right?
When I set up my new 30-06 I started with new Lapua brass. I didn't trim, I didn't uniform primer pockets and I did NOT weigh sort. When I found the correct load I immediately had single digit standard deviations. I loaded up some pull down '69 vintage Lake City and extracted a single digit SD. That doesn't make much of a case for weighing brass or any other case prep besides resizing and trimming if needed. I didn't clean primer pockets in fired brass either. What a dirty bird I am. If I knew weighing and extreme case tweaking would lower my SD to insane levels I might do it, but I have serious doubts it would make a difference.
This like so many things we do is a feel good operation. No one can prove it and even if they do definatively there will still be some that insist it wasn't done correctly or its bullshit. If it makes YOU feel better weigh your cases. Often we do things that work through our psyche this could well be one of those things. To illustrate I will borrow the words of Crash Davis:
"If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, or because you wear women's underwear, then you are! And you should know that!"
If the most famous shooters in the world said they wear women's garters there would be a run on Fredrick's.

 

[Rovieairto]

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Very well said.

The measured data that I talked about is truly only valid for the rifle tested, and under the same conditions.
Often a load "comes alive" at certain pressure levels, and his rifle could've been on the cusp.
If he was in the middle of his node he likely would've seen less of an impact on his SD's.
The fact remains though that many details can, and do have an effect.
The best shooters I can think of are truly very detail oriented folks.
They focus only on the details that matter, and none that don't.
Beware of anyone who speaks in absolutes.
Things are almost never "always".

 

[Headgear]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But, it surely won't do any harm to weigh cases, bullets, primers and powder to .000</div></div>

Hey Fuzz, I meant the part about "It can't hurt to try. That is the part that I feel is one of the best things said on the topic. Give all of it a try. We all do. We read or hear of something that may get us better results and we try. Some work and some don't but we keep trying and that is what makes it fun. After I get really good at something I usually get bored with it. I ain't even close to that with shooting. Like I said above, I found that my ability to run the gun was a much weaker link than my handloads.

So I do agree with your statement, It won't hurt to try. There may be a few too many zeros in the .0001 though. Seriously though, to the OP, when your rig and the ammo that you produce is better than you, it's time to shoot and work on the shooter IMHO.

 

[VKC]

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It also matters what brand of brass you are using. Lapua, Nolser, Remington, Winchester, military surplus, etc. Are you mixing lots, etc.

If you want to get really particular about your reloading components, you can weight sort your primers, trim your bullet meplat, use a bullet pointing die, measuring neck thickness, sort by almost every conceivable method or variable, etc.

Do want works for you.

For me, my time is more important, I reload for precision but enjoy shooting more. I don't do benchrest shooting, so hitting a torso sized steel plate at 1000 yards is accurate enough for me.

 

[seanh]

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if at 200 yards you're good enough to hit a drywall screw and bend it to the right or left at will, then go through the trouble of weighing and sorting. If you can't, don't worry about it.

 

[Radar360]

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I went to the trouble of weighting just to see the difference.

I did see a difference but it wasn't much. So unless it's for competition I'm not doing it again.