Not sure about the barrel length or if you're speaking of a semi-auto, but a TBAC 223 Ultra-7 would bring a bolt gun to about 129-131db.What other 556 can meters at 132DB with an 11.5” barrel? Seriously curious.
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Not sure about the barrel length or if you're speaking of a semi-auto, but a TBAC 223 Ultra-7 would bring a bolt gun to about 129-131db.What other 556 can meters at 132DB with an 11.5” barrel? Seriously curious.
I believe the Griffin Armament Recce 5 is in that neighborhood.What other 556 can meters at 132DB with an 11.5” barrel? Seriously curious.
I absolutely agree, especially since I’ve heard cans that metered louder than others, but sounded better due to tone, but I digress.
Seriously, if this titanium weld color thing is an issue, do we have examples? Is it a theoretically danger, or have there been failures that were documented with titanium cans? Or will the cans with better welds last longer than the ones with improper welds?
Glad I'm not the only one to catch that. Edm because it's the most bestest but halfass welds are ok. Ditch Bartlien and Tooley because they were having to rework over 50%?? Then say Green Mountain is good enough...
While I'm all for innovation and changing the status quo saying you do everything the best and no one can hold a candle to your work and then cut corners just doesn't make sense. If I had preordered a Miller reciever and Bartlien barrel and got cast and Green Mountain, I would be less than pleased. Same goes for a Trash suppressor, I mean trash panda. If I ordered it because it was supposed to be the best at everything and then found out corners were cut because it was good enough... once again, less than pleased.
If you tell this group of guys that you're the best at everything, you probably should be, because we have a tendency to tear everything apart and it pick all the smallest flaws. It might not be what you consider important but some out there do and they will hold you accountable in public for the statements you make.
What did Kevin say to @TBACRAY “If Good Enough Is Good Enough” for Q then hey I guess it’s good enough for Q, But it can be RIGHT they just choose not to because of the $$$ Cost in time and Gas!
So Kevin can say it to Ray, we EDM so ours are better, but then Flip Flop when he is avoiding added costs & not putting Quality first.
Same with switching to Green Mountain Barrels and Cast Receivers. “Good enough is good enough” for Q I guess. Definitely NOT passing on savings.
Don’t knock one company and then do the same thing!
You're OBSESSED. Do you realize how you just brought in the discussion about the Fix rifles? It's pretty weird.
Again, I'm just asking questions. Reasonable answers would be nice and provide clarity to people considering purchasing their products.
What did Kevin say to @TBACRAY “If Good Enough Is Good Enough” for Q then hey I guess it’s good enough for Q, But it can be RIGHT they just choose not to because of the $$$ Cost in time and Gas!
So Kevin can say it to Ray, we EDM so ours are better, but then Flip Flop when he is avoiding added costs & not putting Quality first.
Same with switching to Green Mountain Barrels and Cast Receivers. “Good enough is good enough” for Q I guess. Definitely NOT passing on savings.
Don’t knock one company and then do the same thing!
Lest we forget this started with TBAC making a dig at Q, not the other way around.
Any engineer can make the best if price is no object. A good engineer on the other hand designs a unit that can satisfy the user requirements while being affordable to the user, cost effectively manufactured, and earn some profit to keep the company afloat. So “good enough” is usually just that...good enough. TBAC and Q have different approaches to making something good enough that is affordable.
In my short experience dealing with Q (directly, not here in the hornets nest) they’ve answered every question I’ve asked, and I’ve asked quite a bit.
I guess I missed something, so they switched to green mountain barrels? I knew about going to a cast reciever didn't see this.
He used the Fix example to back up his suppressor statement regarding Q's ethics. What exactly is incorrect in what he said? Q says that you should use EDM bores because good enough isnt good enough, and then they make excuses that colored welds are "good enough". That's hypocrisy. He followed that up with another hypocritical example in Qs switching of barrel manufacturers.
The only thing "weird" in this thread is your complete defense of Q as a company, while many people here see they don't conduct themselves in a very professional manner and contradict themselves frequently. When people question them, you immediately jump on the people doing the questioning. If I were Q, I'd immediately dissassociate from you, clarify you don't speak for my company and your views aren't my own, and then I'd answer people's concerns of my products with professional answers. None of this is occuring. It's eye opening.
Also, if you think this thread was aimed at one particular manufacturer, the next time you're at SHOT or gun shop or any place there are a bunch of brand-new Ti cans from a multitude of manufacturers, look inside and see if you can see any welds that aren't coated. There are a lot of bad Ti welds out there.
I think you are posting this question in it.Does anyone have a link to the Titanium welding thread?
Meh, I’ve got no skin in this game other than I thought it was silly to compare a one off 6.5 can against a production 7.62 can. Of course, if Kevin wants to do a one off 6.5 can to compare against the CGS can, that would be interesting, but prolly not a paradigm shift in suppression either way, suppressors are really kinda at the limits of the technology right now.
Let me be clear, the most impressive can we tested that day was the Energetix Vox.
The point is some people on this forum blindly follow TBAC, despite facts or improvements or evolutions by other companies. It's just silly.
Blindly?! Definitely not blindly. Ray and Zak are the kind of people, running the kind of company, producing the kind of products, that a guy just wants to follow!!The point is some people on this forum blindly follow TBAC, despite facts or improvements or evolutions by other companies. It's just silly.
The point is some people on this forum blindly follow TBAC, despite facts or improvements or evolutions by other companies. It's just silly.
Wait, who did the testing again? Energetix? Never heard of them..
I believe the Griffin Armament Recce 5 is in that neighborhood.
To quote an old Hide legend..."Hint"
Nice tactical term. Show a failed weld, I dare you.More hyperbole. Your true colors have been exposed (as have those of your cans' welds).
That makes more sense.Blindly?! Definitely not blindly. Ray and Zak are the kind of people, running the kind of company, producing the kind of products, that a guy just wants to follow!!
To quote an old Hide legend..."Hint"
Thanks for the kind words. Our silencers are just as much as an improvement as our rifles are...People value reputation and the people behind a company. Right or wrong, they do. To overcome those values in those people, you really have to blow the competition away to have them break their loyaly. Not make similar suppressors that are a bit heavier, a bit larger (which yours are compared to their TBAC counterparts) and with negligible sound differences that nothing but a sound meter can potentially distinguish.
This is probably a bad example, but it's the first that comes to mind...
Chic-Fil-A... super Christian and they're not ashamed. Some people really hate that. A lot of those people still eat there because it's so damn good compared to everything else in it's category, despite their beliefs. That's what your up against. Especially since you've alienated several people based on how you respond to others in the suppressor industry and potential customers.
But this is all, like, just my opinion, man.
And speaking of being hypocritical, I really want one of your The Fix rifles. There, in my opinion, you've destroyed everything else in the lightweight, hunting/precision crossover category.
The testing is suspicious. In the "testing" our silencer had a -8dB FRP? That just doesn't happen. The overall SPL was way too high. CGS doesn't produce rifle silencers, they make prototypes, so who cares? They don't understand production, apparently.Hansohn Brothers and Suppressed Nation on Instagram did the testing. I was there. There were no real surprises with the Q and CGS cans, the CGS can did great as expected given its bore and size, the fact that the Q and Energetix cans had comparable results on 6.5 is a clue that bore diameter matters. Hansohn just metered the Q on .308 and it did fantastic, like amazingly well. I think that it and the CGS are very nice, however the Energetix Vox is what has most thinking people’s attention. I’m not sure on the target audience for the CGS Hyperion, unless it’s to take the PRS world by storm and directly compete with TBAC? Not aware of any upcoming military contract bids that specify a direct thread 6.5 can either, but I’ve been out of the mil for a long time. Maybe it’s going to be released in 7.62? That would make much more sense. The CGS Hydra is a really cool little can, do want.
The testing is suspicious. In the "testing" our silencer had a -8dB FRP? That just doesn't happen. The overall SPL was way too high. CGS doesn't produce rifle silencers, they make prototypes, so who cares? They don't understand production, apparently.
I'll take your word for it, I don't know anything about the company.You and I value integrity, therefore Griffin is not something I’d ever consider
We have 6 actual degreed engineers. I bet none of the silencer companies that started this thread or are mentioned in it even have a single engineer.More hyperbole. Your true colors have been exposed (as have those of your cans' welds).
We have 6 actual degreed engineers. I bet none of the silencer companies that started this thread or are mentioned in it even have a single engineer.
I have worked all of my life with degreed engineers and am one myself. Because of that, I am not impressed. I know a lot of worthless degreed engineers. I know some good ones too and even a couple very good ones, but that degree means nothing about your abilities beyond your ability to pass tests in an environment designed to pass as many people as possible.We have 6 actual degreed engineers. I bet none of the silencer companies that started this thread or are mentioned in it even have a single engineer.
Ok. Who?I know for a fact that this is wrong , may want to do a little research on this one .
I don't see why a degree has anything to do with it. Either something works or it doesn't. I'm in a PhD program and I can't write shit code then hold up my degree and that suddenly makes it work. Also I'm a bit skeptical that none of these other companies have a single engineer.We have 6 actual degreed engineers. I bet none of the silencer companies that started this thread or are mentioned in it even have a single engineer.
You and I value integrity, therefore Griffin is not something I’d ever consider
You and I value integrity, therefore Griffin is not something I’d ever consider
Come on now, who did Griffin knock off on their Recce series? Sure as shit wasn’t KAC this time! I swear you people try to find things to hate, just for the friggen fun of it...
Show me the patent infringement, and I’ll shut up on this. All I read is whining over similarity with you and KB. The whole damn suppressor industry is pretty similar overall. Get over it already. If there was direct copying, there would be lawsuits. WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS!?!