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Join the contest SubscribeThe new Vision Tikka KRG handguns. Go to GCP's website.What handguard is that on your Bravo?
Tikka is great, but I would not put it into serious heavy use like competition shooting (many do). I don’t have total trust on the strength of their bolt. I consider Tikka as great hunting rifle, casual target shooting etc.
Yes I've seen couple bolts failed personally. And they all failed the same way, let me see if I can get a photo for it. I think it's a design limitation, can't avoid it - so having a spare bolt will be good idea, but Tikka's spare bolt is going to cost a bit...Why is this? Have you seen or have a reliable tale of a Tikka bolt failing?
There you go, same exact issue as the OP so borrowing his photo and thread.Why is this? Have you seen or have a reliable tale of a Tikka bolt failing?
Besides being a nice product, what's the best use of this fore-end? Is it to increase weight? The website looks like it's 28oz. Does it add significant weight to the Bravo? Probably not an NRL Hunter type of fore-end?
But how does it do on weight? I have a slim KRG Arca on my Bravo fore-end, a spigot, and I don't need any extra weight. Trying to trim weight, you know what I mean?
Is it heavier than a Bravo forend that has a KRG Arca rail and spigot?
Pretty similar in weight to a bravo forend with all the add ons.But how does it do on weight? I have a slim KRG Arca on my Bravo fore-end, a spigot, and I don't need any extra weight. Trying to trim weight, you know what I mean?
Is it heavier than a Bravo forend that has a KRG Arca rail and spigot?
Needs a KRG backboneDoes this vision forend still need a backbone? Or can you just bolt on the stock/ grip from KRG?
It’s just the forend that bolts up to the KRG internal frame.Does this vision forend still need a backbone? Or can you just bolt on the stock/ grip from KRG?
I have seen 2 on the hide and I think both were dropped but i'm not saying it cant happen. With thousands and thousands out there I wouldn't call it a common fail point but to each there own it never hurts to have spare parts.LRI does make a replacement bolt for tikka now, should be of good quality, so I'd say it's going to be OK so long you have a backup bolt!
Also their analysis suggested the same issue on factory tikka bolt:
Stress analysis proved that the dovetail handle geometry creates a stress concentration. To mitigate the risk of failure we chose to temper this feature and wire EDM corner fillets to create a virtual corner (dog bone) to distribute the loads more effectively.
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LRI TIKKA REPLACEMENT BOLTS
The Tikka actions and rifles speak for themselves when it comes to quality and we have listened. LRI began this project in the fall of 2019 and we are finally able to offer an industry-first: Aftermarket direct replacement bolts for the Tikka actions! The case study on headspace...www.longriflesinc.com
The response and feedback from our customers has been excellent with performance being indistinguishable from "hand fit" barrels.I can't say I've measured hundreds of the Tikkas. But of the ones I have, I've seen an extreme spread of .021" from receiver face to bolt nose. Distance from bolt nose to bolt face seemed pretty consistent.
Curious how the shouldered pre-fits are working for some.
I had one - it's better than stock. The dovetail is improved with rounded cuts to relieve stress points, and the extractor is so much more beefy and safe than the sako extractor. Shot great.I have seen 2 on the hide and I think both were dropped but i'm not saying it cant happen. With thousands and thousands out there I wouldn't call it a common fail point but to each there own it never hurts to have spare parts.
All custom actions are not created equal, is a Tikka on par with an Impact, LP or Terminus hell no….. on par with an origin, yes.Come on guys, be real.
If you think you are getting 3/4 of the action out of Beretta that you are out of Zermatt, Impact, or Surgeon you’re smoking the good stuff. Tikka is a fine action, depending on your goals and budget, but rival a top tier custom? No. You’re money ahead to start with an Origin, Nucleus, or a used action. Especially at the prices these factory actions sell for.
Tikka on par with an Origin?!All custom actions are not created equal, is a Tikka on par with an Impact, LP or Terminus hell no….. on par with an origin, yes.
Yep. And this is the area where they make the most sense. My truck gun is built off of a T3, and after all of the upgrades and nickel and dime stuff, I should’ve just ordered another Origin.There is also the factor that you start with a pretty good rifle that you can shoot in the meantime as you upgrade as you have the money. I got my entire t3x lite stainless lefty in 6.5 creed for $836 from Scheels. That's cheaper than an origin.
Recoil lug is there just different. Factory is steel (with current t3x rifles).OP, what are you giving up?
-A recoil lug.
-Full lug engagement.
-Compatibility with parts.
-Bolt lift.
-A metal bolt shroud.
-Money.
-A rail.
-Bolt handle options.
-Etc
The better question is what are you gaining?
I don’t think a Tikka is as good as a top-tier custom, but I don’t understand how you can be money ahead going custom. The tikka does have a rail that certain mounts and rings work with, and doesn’t need a $250+ trigger. That more than makes up for a bolt shroud, which is generally an unnecessary upgrade anyway. It also has a shorter bolt throw than a lot of custom actions.Yep. And this is the area where they make the most sense. My truck gun is built off of a T3, and after all of the upgrades and nickel and dime stuff, I should’ve just ordered another Origin.
I don’t think a Tikka is as good as a top-tier custom, but I don’t understand how you can be money ahead going custom. The tikka does have a rail that certain mounts and rings work with, and doesn’t need a $250+ trigger. That more than makes up for a bolt shroud, which is generally an unnecessary upgrade anyway. It also has a shorter bolt throw than a lot of custom actions.
The only thing I can see is if you purchase an aftermarket bolt.
Link please. I'd like to buy a few.I’d bet I can buy a top shelf cut rifled Origin prefit for less than $350 shipped and insured to my door.
I’ll go fly a WTB ad, we’ll give it one week, I’ll happily wager $100. Do we have a bet?Shit, it's hard enough to find top shelf blanks for $350. Much less one chambered, shipped, and isnsured.
Fella said he'd bet, I wonder how much. Maybe I can get my next couple blanks paid for.
If you're talking about buying used, anything is possible I guess. Heck, I have a pile of old AI barrels I'd sell you for $150 a piece.I’ll go fly a WTB ad, we’ll give it one week, I’ll happily wager $100. Do we have a bet?
I’m trying to bias my argument? You just compared a new Bighorn with a used Tikka that you bought,Your figures are all jacked up. Clearly trying to bias your argument.
And Origin costs $875. Never heard of those triggers you quoted either. Minimum trigger I'd buy is a TT primary for $150. That's $1025.
I bought a Tikka donor rifle for $450. Sold the stock, mag, bottom metal for $100. Added an Area 419 rail for $100 and splurged on Sterk bolt handle and shroud for about $150 each. Didn't buy a recoil lug. It came with the KRG Chassis. The guy I bought the rifle from already installed a Yo Dave spring.
So more realistic numbers are $1025 vs $750.
And what lug engagement issues are you talking about? It's like you have a bag of made up problems you're reaching into and frantically grabbing shit. I've never had anything break on my rifle. It has shot 1/2" groups at 300yds.
You can buy excellent shouldered prefits for Tikkas from McGowan and Carbon Six. Origin shouldered prefits cost more. If you're referring to barrel nuts on an Origin, you're a scrub.
We’ll set limits:If you're talking about buying used, anything is possible I guess. Heck, I have a pile of old AI barrels I'd sell you for $150 a piece.
If you place a WTB ad and buy used, no telling what the history is on that pipe. I'm sure someone with a high round count barrel would be glad to sell it for $350 to help cover the cost of another blank.
Are you telling me you can get a NEW one for $350 shipped and insured?
Otherwise, it's easy to bet if you're just going to buy someone's worn out junk.
Need any top shelf AI prefits? I know a guy who will sell you some for $165, shipped and insured![]()
The last model 700 I bought, less than 4 months ago, was ~$350 at a pawn shop in Seminole.
Enjoy your origin, mine was junk and gave me a lot of problems. It was serial number #3 I got it for 650$ when the origin was first coming out. I’ll take my Tikka which has never given me any problems and has been through 4 barrels.Tikka on par with an Origin?!
I completely disagree. That’s a bit ridiculous.
See you won’t bet will you, @dimar1492 ? Even if you won’t acknowledge the power of that market, your wallet knows it’s there.
How else are you going to get a "wet" weight?Wtf live rounds in the mag![]()
What problem did you have with your Origin? Actually it doesn’t matter, I’ll fix it and Zermatt will stand behind it.Enjoy your origin, mine was junk and gave me a lot of problems. It was serial number #3 I got it for 650$ when the origin was first coming out. I’ll take my Tikka which has never given me any problems and has been through 4 barrels.