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What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

As the title asks:
What do you find to be the most consistant primer?
Primer in question is Large Rifle.
Im just beggining to reload .308, and beggning the epic search of stores around here for primers. I'de like to gather a list of my "Top" choices. From what I can see, match primers are a waste withen 600 yards, and the CCIs and Federals are the 2 top LR primers.


Whats your experience?
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

right now id say the primers you can find, those will be the most consistent. happy hunting for them. saying that I prefer WLR/CCI.

Howdy
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

It's not about consistency. Primers are a variable, just like bullets and brass. Some load combinations work better with certain primers.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

The last actual repeatable tests I did on primers were small rifle primers about 5 years ago. Winchester standard small rifle ended up only second to the Russian made copper cup no heavy metal primers. Since then I have used Winchester for everything. I decided to keep my money at the time in the US whenever possible.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

I got pretty much the same results. The Wolf and BRs were to close to call. With the current price difference of about $12 per K, easy decision.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Unless you are shooting 1000yard matches stick with the cheaper choices like WLR or CCI200 or even Wolf. The average shooter wont be able to tell the difference. Consitency in your components and your ability to shoot your weapon with good form is way more important. You can only buy accuracy up to a point then its on you to make it work.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Different primers work better in different loads. I use the Federal, CCI and Winchester offerings in both LR and LRM. I don't see any real difference between Federal and CCI. Winchester primers are different in some way. They ignite differently. They seem to produce higher pressures, without increasing velocity. Not sure why, but it often "fixes" some loads that aren't performing well. Never had any luck with Remington primers. Have a brick of Wolf, but I haven't tried them yet.

If I were to narrow it down to only two, I would probably keep WLR and CCI250 around.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

For LR, CCI and Federal has given me the best results so far. Was using Wolf for a while but I was getting hang fires so I stopped using the Wolfs.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handloading is all about component consistency... </div></div>

Yes, but the big four (FC, WIN, CCI, RP) are of equal quality. People should keep all four brands on hand to get the best results from their guns.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Different propellants do better with different primers.

In large part, propellant deterrent coatings are to blame here.

Deterrent coatings achieve two gaols.

They conduct static electricity charges, preventing voltage buildups that lead to discharges, igniting the stored propellant.

They also moderate ignition, thereby providing a means to manage propellant burn rate.

As propellants go, ball powder deterrent coatings tend to be harder to ignite.

For example Winchester powders are ball powders, and Winchester primers have greater brisance (roughly translates as 'flash'). They work well together, but unless I missed it, Winchester also does not make any primers that they label as match primers.

Other brands make Match primers, and other brands have generally less brisance. 'Match' is a nebulous term, but generally, it denotes primers with more consistent construction factors. Otherwise, they are much the same, if not identical, to their basic, non-match, brother and sister primers on the production line.

What is less important here is the consistency of the primers, less than the tolerance of the rest of the load to primer variance. A load which is especially sensitive to primer variances is going to be more fickle and unreliable than one which has no such sensitivity.

My approach to dealing with this is to develop my loads with non-match primers. Modifying this load after development by substituting match primers will either render more consistent results, or not. If not, I can get by without the Match primers.

I use CCI, Winchester, and Federal primers. All my hunting and ball-equivalent (i.e. Garand) loads use Winchester primers. They are more reliable, whether they are or aren't as accurate. I use CCI standard primers for match load developement, and then substitute either CCI BR or Fed Gold Medal Match primers, if and when their inclusion indicates improved load performance.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winchester powders are ball powders, and Winchester primers have greater brisance (roughly translates as 'flash'). They work well together...</div></div>

Yes they do. When I pulled apart their 168gr ammo and substituted primers, the groups got worse thoughout the entire powder charge weight range.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The last actual repeatable tests I did on primers were small rifle primers about 5 years ago. Winchester standard small rifle ended up only second to the Russian made copper cup no heavy metal primers. Since then I have used Winchester for everything. I decided to keep my money at the time in the US whenever possible. </div></div>

I was going to standardize my loading on Winchester primers. That USA thing, until they started to obtain their primers outside the US, and they quit plating them. I think I read that on the Brian Enos forum. I'm going back to CCI. I like plated primers. Just a personal preference.
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Wolf LRM, and SRM for me most consistent in everything I load them for. Never had issues with CCI, Rem or Win though.

Federal GMM work fine as well. I personally don't care for them because:

1. "Less accurate" loads than with other primers in all my rifles. Not horrible, just less accurate with the powders I use.

2. Shrink the damn packaging down to the standard all other manufacturers use. Huge waste of "real estate".
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enios</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a link to a test a guy did and as he says take it with a grain of salt, but I thought it was pretty good....

http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm

Here's another neat little test....

http://www.6mmbr.com/PrimerPix.html </div></div>

Wow, based on those pics in the 6mmbr link, I'd say there is a big difference between primers. Some of those don't require any powder
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Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Glennp, I asked the same question of a high master sling shooter, he replied after 30 complete note books of data for the past 25 years he found no difference in primers. That was good enough for me to realize it is time to go shoot.

Dan
 
Re: What do you find to be the most consistant primer?

Correct me if i'm wrong, however the article about the "houston warehouse", I believe I read in there that they had determined that there was little to no difference in primers usage in their testing. And these guys were testing on rifles that were consistently shooting in the 0's.

I would just go and check, however I don't want to read the whole article again to find the reference.

Branden