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What grain bullet for a 22-250?
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Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I'm not sure if a 60 grain V-max will stabilize, but it might. But a 55 grain V-max will. They work well!
I'm not sure if a 60 grain V-max will stabilize, but it might. But a 55 grain V-max will. They work well!
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
For some reason my rifle isn't liking the 55 grainers. I was kinda wondering if the 40s would be wortha try.
For some reason my rifle isn't liking the 55 grainers. I was kinda wondering if the 40s would be wortha try.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I like the 50 grain nosler ballistic tips......devastating on groundhogs
I like the 50 grain nosler ballistic tips......devastating on groundhogs
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I couldn't get decent results from the plastic tipped 55s either.
I tried the Sierra 63 grain SMP and got amazing results.
This from a 1 in 14" twist Remington.
The 45 gn Winchester shoot really well.
I couldn't get decent results from the plastic tipped 55s either.
I tried the Sierra 63 grain SMP and got amazing results.
This from a 1 in 14" twist Remington.
The 45 gn Winchester shoot really well.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I have always had great luck with 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, but as my barrel life is coming to an end I am starting to need longer bullets to get out to the lands. I thought about trying a 60 grain ballistic tip, or possibly bullet with a flat base, so I can still reach the lands and get some neck tension.
I have always had great luck with 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, but as my barrel life is coming to an end I am starting to need longer bullets to get out to the lands. I thought about trying a 60 grain ballistic tip, or possibly bullet with a flat base, so I can still reach the lands and get some neck tension.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've shot the 55's around 3950fps </div></div>
Yes, I too would like to know how you can get 55's of any variety that fast without pressure? What is your load?
Case?
Primer?
Powder?
Bullet?
OAL?
Length to ogive?
How far off the lands are you?
... or are you just one of those guys that guesses based off what he reads somewhere?
I'm running 50gr vmax at just over 3800 and it takes 38.5gr of varget to get there, which is about 2gr beyond max in most books.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've shot the 55's around 3950fps </div></div>
Yes, I too would like to know how you can get 55's of any variety that fast without pressure? What is your load?
Case?
Primer?
Powder?
Bullet?
OAL?
Length to ogive?
How far off the lands are you?
... or are you just one of those guys that guesses based off what he reads somewhere?
I'm running 50gr vmax at just over 3800 and it takes 38.5gr of varget to get there, which is about 2gr beyond max in most books.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I am running my 55 grain at 3500 and it's not a really hot load. 3950 seems smoking to me as well though. I am using:
Rem 700 BDL Varmint Special
24" barrel with 1-14" twist
55 grain Nosler Nallistc Tip
35 grains of IMR 4895
CCI BR2 Primer
Winchester brass
Loadeded just off the lands
Velocity is 3500 fps
It consistently shoots sub .5 moa
I am running my 55 grain at 3500 and it's not a really hot load. 3950 seems smoking to me as well though. I am using:
Rem 700 BDL Varmint Special
24" barrel with 1-14" twist
55 grain Nosler Nallistc Tip
35 grains of IMR 4895
CCI BR2 Primer
Winchester brass
Loadeded just off the lands
Velocity is 3500 fps
It consistently shoots sub .5 moa
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
That's at 25f, and I have no intention of running this load when its hot out without testing it again, even though varget isn't really that temp sensitive. This is for coyote hunting, so I expect it to be colder than 25f most days.
Primers are a little flat, but the bolt lift is fine and no other signs. I got pressure when I got to 39.5gr, but the virgin winchester case won't hold much more varget than that.
I'd hate for some new guy to read dfoosking's post and actually think he could run 55gr pills up to 3950fps. That kind of advice is uninformed at worst and dangerous at best.
How long you been reloading dfoosking?
That's at 25f, and I have no intention of running this load when its hot out without testing it again, even though varget isn't really that temp sensitive. This is for coyote hunting, so I expect it to be colder than 25f most days.
Primers are a little flat, but the bolt lift is fine and no other signs. I got pressure when I got to 39.5gr, but the virgin winchester case won't hold much more varget than that.
I'd hate for some new guy to read dfoosking's post and actually think he could run 55gr pills up to 3950fps. That kind of advice is uninformed at worst and dangerous at best.
How long you been reloading dfoosking?
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I shot the 52 grain A-max for a couple video's we filmed varminting and WOW is an understatement. It's a match bullet that performs like the v-max when it hits. Very explosive out of a 22-250. Altmost the entire video of All Hogs Go to Heaven was filmed using this bullet.
This is a chuck getting hit with the 52 A-max from a .223
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I shot the 52 grain A-max for a couple video's we filmed varminting and WOW is an understatement. It's a match bullet that performs like the v-max when it hits. Very explosive out of a 22-250. Altmost the entire video of All Hogs Go to Heaven was filmed using this bullet.
This is a chuck getting hit with the 52 A-max from a .223
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Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
DFOOSKING has drunk the Koolaid. No way, no how. Even the vaunted .220 Swift had to go to 40 grain bullets for 3900 (questionable) fps
DFOOSKING has drunk the Koolaid. No way, no how. Even the vaunted .220 Swift had to go to 40 grain bullets for 3900 (questionable) fps
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even the vaunted .220 Swift had to go to 40 grain bullets for 3900 (questionable) fps </div></div>
Not true.
Heck, even nosler manual #6 with their lawyered up numbers shows 220 swift with 50gr BT going 3900fps with a 43gr load of H380. I know guys running 50gr vmax up to 4000 pretty easily. It just isn't going to happen in a 22-250. In a 22-250AI, maybe but thats pushing it and unlikely. A 220 swift will get there.
Why is everyone so content to just throw out false numbers lately?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even the vaunted .220 Swift had to go to 40 grain bullets for 3900 (questionable) fps </div></div>
Not true.
Heck, even nosler manual #6 with their lawyered up numbers shows 220 swift with 50gr BT going 3900fps with a 43gr load of H380. I know guys running 50gr vmax up to 4000 pretty easily. It just isn't going to happen in a 22-250. In a 22-250AI, maybe but thats pushing it and unlikely. A 220 swift will get there.
Why is everyone so content to just throw out false numbers lately?
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I have a stock Rem 700 VS that prefers the 45 grain Winchester white box from Wally World over any other round. I have tried 50 gr and 55 grain bullets and could not get as tight of groups with it. The barrel is just about shot out and hopefully will be getting a new one plus stock in 2011. Will have to see what it likes with a new tube.
I have a stock Rem 700 VS that prefers the 45 grain Winchester white box from Wally World over any other round. I have tried 50 gr and 55 grain bullets and could not get as tight of groups with it. The barrel is just about shot out and hopefully will be getting a new one plus stock in 2011. Will have to see what it likes with a new tube.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I found that 50-52 grains shoot best with a 1:14 twist, while 55's need a 1:12
I found that 50-52 grains shoot best with a 1:14 twist, while 55's need a 1:12
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I've just started working on loads for a new Tikka T3 Varmint, 22-250. I've been working with Varget for starters and last weekend I shot some 50gr Nosler Ballastic Tips and 52gr Sierra 52gr BTHP MK's. Both of those were making 1/4 - 3/8" groups at 100 yds.
This morning I shot some 55gr Hornady VMax's and the best I could get was 0.6" groups. I then shot a group with each of the same bullets I shot last weekend and they were approx 3/8".
Right now, I would have to say the 55's don't group as well as the lighter bullets, however, I still have 80 more of them to work with before I finallize my opinion. After all, this were just starter loads working up in 0.3gr increments. Started at 3452 fps and last load tried was 3564 fps. All groups were about the same size, just different impact areas.
I've just started working on loads for a new Tikka T3 Varmint, 22-250. I've been working with Varget for starters and last weekend I shot some 50gr Nosler Ballastic Tips and 52gr Sierra 52gr BTHP MK's. Both of those were making 1/4 - 3/8" groups at 100 yds.
This morning I shot some 55gr Hornady VMax's and the best I could get was 0.6" groups. I then shot a group with each of the same bullets I shot last weekend and they were approx 3/8".
Right now, I would have to say the 55's don't group as well as the lighter bullets, however, I still have 80 more of them to work with before I finallize my opinion. After all, this were just starter loads working up in 0.3gr increments. Started at 3452 fps and last load tried was 3564 fps. All groups were about the same size, just different impact areas.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I always wonder why everyone else's 22/250, 223 or AI version is always faster than anything I have owned/built???? At least on the net!
Currently running a 22/250AI using a factory 222 barrel with a couple of light pits. Load is 50BT over 39gr of IMR4895 with Win primer. Best it will run is 3780fps over my Oehler 35P, that is it to stay safe. That is 50gr and along ways from 3900-4000 that some claim with the standard chambering. Shoots super being a factory tube. Just dumped a coyote this afternoon @ 394yds with it and only 1 shot
I shoot 34gr of IMR4895 in my standard 22/250 but have never chronoed it.
Just for giggles I recut a used 22/250 factory barrel to 22/6AI. The 50BT will only run 3870fps, only 90fps faster than the 22/250AI. IIRC powder was IMR4350 but would have to look. Would take some doing to hit 4000fps and that with a considerably bigger case than the Swift. I have owned 2 early Ruger Swifts, an old FN factory gun and a custom built with a Shilen tube. None ever made close to 4000fps with a 50ish grain!!! I see little advantage with the Swift other than more expensive brass and messing with the semi rimmed case in a magazine and I used to be a die hard Swift fan!
I always wonder why everyone else's 22/250, 223 or AI version is always faster than anything I have owned/built???? At least on the net!
Currently running a 22/250AI using a factory 222 barrel with a couple of light pits. Load is 50BT over 39gr of IMR4895 with Win primer. Best it will run is 3780fps over my Oehler 35P, that is it to stay safe. That is 50gr and along ways from 3900-4000 that some claim with the standard chambering. Shoots super being a factory tube. Just dumped a coyote this afternoon @ 394yds with it and only 1 shot
Just for giggles I recut a used 22/250 factory barrel to 22/6AI. The 50BT will only run 3870fps, only 90fps faster than the 22/250AI. IIRC powder was IMR4350 but would have to look. Would take some doing to hit 4000fps and that with a considerably bigger case than the Swift. I have owned 2 early Ruger Swifts, an old FN factory gun and a custom built with a Shilen tube. None ever made close to 4000fps with a 50ish grain!!! I see little advantage with the Swift other than more expensive brass and messing with the semi rimmed case in a magazine and I used to be a die hard Swift fan!
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
whirlwind I'm jealous of your chronograph.
Nosler #6 shows the 22-250AI with 50gr BT's and 40gr of varget at 3922fps, but then 38gr shows 3730fps.
The plain 22-250 shows 36gr varget at 3794fps. This is precisely why I don't want an AI. It just doesn't seem like the performance differential is there. Granted its hard to say what kind of barrels/chambering was used for that testing. I had to run 38.5gr in my 22-250 to get 3800fps out of 50gr vmax. Its a factory tube 24". No ejector wipe, no sticky bolt lift, slightly flat primers.
I don't know if my CED is dead nuts accurate, and I'd trust your oehler way more. Then again dfoosking is running more than 100fps faster than either of us with 5gr heavier bullet through his make believe chronograph... so what do I know.
whirlwind I'm jealous of your chronograph.
Nosler #6 shows the 22-250AI with 50gr BT's and 40gr of varget at 3922fps, but then 38gr shows 3730fps.
The plain 22-250 shows 36gr varget at 3794fps. This is precisely why I don't want an AI. It just doesn't seem like the performance differential is there. Granted its hard to say what kind of barrels/chambering was used for that testing. I had to run 38.5gr in my 22-250 to get 3800fps out of 50gr vmax. Its a factory tube 24". No ejector wipe, no sticky bolt lift, slightly flat primers.
I don't know if my CED is dead nuts accurate, and I'd trust your oehler way more. Then again dfoosking is running more than 100fps faster than either of us with 5gr heavier bullet through his make believe chronograph... so what do I know.
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
I too would like to know what load that is...and a picture of the headstamp to see if you can still read it afterwards!
who knows maybe dfoosking has a 32" barrel and using H50BMG powder or something?!
I too would like to know what load that is...and a picture of the headstamp to see if you can still read it afterwards!
who knows maybe dfoosking has a 32" barrel and using H50BMG powder or something?!
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
Think I have only chronoed 1 barrel that ran more than any reloading manual claimed for velocity with a given powder charge. That was a Weisman-McMillan barrel in 308. Using AA2495 I could achieved published velocity with 1 grain less than the Accurate manual. Believe it claimed 2708fps with 44gr and I was getting 2740fps with 43gr? Every other factory or aftermarket barrel always was from 20 fps to several hundred less.
My first chronograph experiences were with a friend and his Oehler 35P. His Ruger 22/250 MkII Varmint(the stainless laminated stocked one) would only push a 50gr Reminton bulk @ 3250ish!!! My factory Remington 223 VSSF would run 3300+ with same bullet. Both with 26" barrels. He was not a happy camper to find the velocity of his new 'prized' Ruger 22/250 to be less than a Remington 223 and he hated Remington's for some reason. The 223 part made it that much worse
In fact my Varmint Special 222 was about 3225fps. So just because a book or the manufacturer claims a certain velocity with a given factory load or reload sure doesn't make it 'fact'!!!!!
My brothers cheap Chrony is always faster than the Oehler, sometimes almost 100pfs! It is not a consistent velocity each time so not really a variable you can predict as a general rule. Perhaps the newer ones are more accurate, his is 8ish yrs old.
I shouldn't state my 22/250AI velocity is max for all loadings. The 39gr of IMR4895 is max for my rifle and I have never tried Varget etc. No kidding it will shoot sub moa from the pitted used factory barrel so I can't force myself to try another powder nor junk the tube because of velocity. Best 3 shot group I shot is .158 so call it luck or whatever. As stated above yesterday was a 1 shot 394yd kill. I actually allowed for wind that was present a couple hrs earlier, didn't check when I shot and held for the rear of coyote and that is exactly what I hit.So with my error for wind that wasn't a factor when I dropped the pin and not taking time to change power from 6X and not grabbing my 6XC instead I guess there was some luck in the mix!!!
Always take all the LUCK you can get.LOL
Think I have only chronoed 1 barrel that ran more than any reloading manual claimed for velocity with a given powder charge. That was a Weisman-McMillan barrel in 308. Using AA2495 I could achieved published velocity with 1 grain less than the Accurate manual. Believe it claimed 2708fps with 44gr and I was getting 2740fps with 43gr? Every other factory or aftermarket barrel always was from 20 fps to several hundred less.
My first chronograph experiences were with a friend and his Oehler 35P. His Ruger 22/250 MkII Varmint(the stainless laminated stocked one) would only push a 50gr Reminton bulk @ 3250ish!!! My factory Remington 223 VSSF would run 3300+ with same bullet. Both with 26" barrels. He was not a happy camper to find the velocity of his new 'prized' Ruger 22/250 to be less than a Remington 223 and he hated Remington's for some reason. The 223 part made it that much worse
My brothers cheap Chrony is always faster than the Oehler, sometimes almost 100pfs! It is not a consistent velocity each time so not really a variable you can predict as a general rule. Perhaps the newer ones are more accurate, his is 8ish yrs old.
I shouldn't state my 22/250AI velocity is max for all loadings. The 39gr of IMR4895 is max for my rifle and I have never tried Varget etc. No kidding it will shoot sub moa from the pitted used factory barrel so I can't force myself to try another powder nor junk the tube because of velocity. Best 3 shot group I shot is .158 so call it luck or whatever. As stated above yesterday was a 1 shot 394yd kill. I actually allowed for wind that was present a couple hrs earlier, didn't check when I shot and held for the rear of coyote and that is exactly what I hit.So with my error for wind that wasn't a factor when I dropped the pin and not taking time to change power from 6X and not grabbing my 6XC instead I guess there was some luck in the mix!!!
Re: What grain bullet for a 22-250?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Togeneral99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too would like to know what load that is...and a picture of the headstamp to see if you can still read it afterwards!
who knows maybe dfoosking has a 32" barrel and using H50BMG powder or something?! </div></div>
I guess I'll have to publish my top secret results using ground up unicorn horns mixed with varget then!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Togeneral99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too would like to know what load that is...and a picture of the headstamp to see if you can still read it afterwards!
who knows maybe dfoosking has a 32" barrel and using H50BMG powder or something?! </div></div>
I guess I'll have to publish my top secret results using ground up unicorn horns mixed with varget then!
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