what is going on with my barrel!!!! added picture

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The below photo (if it shows up)shows my crown. It has a bunch off small dimples the size of a needle head. They are inside the barrel too. I clean with a bore guide and a carbon fiber rod. I don't pull the brush back thru, I take it off. I have over 12 rifles and the only thing different I have done with this one is a different copper solvent. Rifle is xcr 223 less then 2 months old about 500 round down tube. I'm pretty sure the barrel is toast accuracy is not even close to what it was shooting.

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#3
Re: what is going on with my barrel

What copper solvent did you use? The harsh ones like CR10 and others pull copper like a rapped ape but if left in to long will frost your shit.
 
#4
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The solvent is KG12 left in for no more than 20 minuets. It has no ammonia in it. I have always used Sweet's before no problems. Heard good reviews on The KG12 so I thought I would try it.
 
#6
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Try putting some KG12 on the bottom outside of the barrel(so it doesn't show too bad, just in case..) for the same amount of time and see if it etches. If so, you've got your answer...

John
 
#9
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Are you combining two separate solvents during the cleaning process? My barrel maker has experimented with different solvents for a long time and said unless you get one fully out before using a different one you'll most likely etch the barrel. Was there some of the old solvent still on the outside of the muzzle (from the brush splattering as it exits the barrel?) when you switched to the other solvent.

The only thing different from your other rifles that are ok is the solvent so I'm going to point a finger at it being the culprit.
 
#10
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The barrel is stainless steel. I used Butches then I would run a couple patches soaked with 90% alcohol, then dry patches. Then I would run the KG12 thru. The pitting is not just on the crown. I can see some inside the bore. I don't think there would have been enough Butches left if any to cause that kind of damage. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the KG12.
 
#11
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Looks like the finish is starting spot off to me. I wouldn't flip out over it. I use BBS followed by Sweets on all my rifles/hand guns and Harlem credit cards(AKA Shotguns). Not a problem after 6/7 years. HTH
 
#12
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I've used Butches for almost 10 years on all sorts of guns and never had any problems. Might be something goin on if the solvents mix though. I agree with the test it out somewhere where else suggestion.
 
#13
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why not call the rifle maker or the barrel maker. let them know whats going on. i dont think it could hurt? it looks from the picture as u got pitting going on. i would also call the company that makes that kg12. ive been using shooters choice for years. works great for me. wish u luck.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yotie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">unless you get one fully out before using a different one you'll most likely etch the barrel. </div></div>

Wow ... I never thought of that. Good to know.
 
#15
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How is Gunslick? Is it worth a damn I haven't used it yet but bought some, It had great reviews anymore info on what's working for everyone is appreciated.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yotie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why not call the rifle maker or the barrel maker. let them know whats going on. i dont think it could hurt? it looks from the picture as u got pitting going on. i would also call the company that makes that kg12. ive been using shooters choice for years. works great for me. wish u luck. </div></div>

Rifle is an XCR Tactical. Calling Remington about this wont do you any good since it was solvent that caused the problem which will amount to user damage. You could try but I wouldn't get my hopes up. You might be able to take some ISSO or other polish type cleaners and get this out. When it comes down to the cutting whoever you call will say its user fault and that's about as good an answer as you will get.
 
#17
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How about shooting a few Tubb's Final Finish through the barrel to smooth out any potential pitting? That should polish the inside and hopefully improve accuarcy. If it doesn't work, then rebarrel.

Also, did you happen to shoot any kind of round with corrosive primers or some Wolf Steel?
 
#18
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Great time to put a Rock, Krieger or other barrel on!

I'm going to stick with what works for me and avoid the KG12.

You might want to contact the KG12 manufacturer and it wouldn't hurt to check with Remington! After all, all they can say is "no"! So what can it hurt?

Good luck!
 
#20
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with those kinda pitting, i think he would have to remove alot of inside barrel material. i would just bite the bullet and rebarrel. and why ur at it, have the action trued and the trigger worked and you will end up with one hell of a boomstick.
 
#21
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I doubt it has anything to do with kg12 solely. Mixing the solvents is a possibility. I have heard of Butches and Sweets being to strong and etching barrels, but never kg12.

I have used KG12 in 3 different rifles with no problems. KG12 is ammonia free. KG12, in my experience, will remove carbon and copper like nothing else. In fact I dont even bother using a brush to clean. I wrap patches around a Parker Hale jag and let the KG12 do the work. No need for all the scrubbing IMHO.
 
#22
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I already emailed Mark at short action customs. I got a Rock 20" 1-7 on order and he is going to true the action. I'll probably get shit for saying this but I really don't think it will shot as good as it did even with a Rock barrel. All I can hope for is the same accuracy it had with the Remington barrel. This thing absolutely shot lights out before. That's why I was so mad. I will call the folks that make kg12 today and see if they have any opinions of what might have happened. I know none of that stuff will ever touch my barrels again.
 
#24
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It was NOT the kg12!

I have used kg12 on many barrels and never had a problem. I have even left it in bores over night and never had that happen to the barrels. Kg12 is the best copper remover on the market, in my opinion.
 
#25
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Is there a thread out there about the best copper cleaning solvents in recent months since companies are constantly coming out with new products let us know what is good, bad, and great although that may be at someones expense for ruining there own any info would help the rest.

It doesn't tell a guy much by looking at the product rating from a site that most people buy from, but I trust in 10 good replies from here.
 
#26
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Okay guys I think I found out what is going on. The barrel has some special coating on it from Remington that has nickel in it. The manufacture of the solvent says do not use on anything with nickel in it. They do not say what will happen but I already know the answer to that. So make damn sure your finish does not have nickel in it. It will not be pretty.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was NOT the kg12!

I have used kg12 on many barrels and never had a problem. I have even left it in bores over night and never had that happen to the barrels. Kg12 is the best copper remover on the market, in my opinion. </div></div>


I've had the same experience.For sure!
 
#28
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But it was the KG12 not its fault though. The warning is not on the bottle but I think it might be a good idea to put it on there. It would not have saved my barrel though. I had no idea it had nickel in the coating. Might save a couple people from making the same mistake though.
 
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