I currently have a blueprinted savage action sitting in a PDC single shot stock that is wearing a 260AI barrel. I have tons of Savage short actions so it only makes sense that I put the 260 onto one of the SA's. The new 190 berger bullet has intrigued me as does pretty much every other 7mm bullet. Any suggestions on chambering? There is a strong chance I will be reaching out to a mile on Steel with this rifle. Thanks.
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What LA 7mm?
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Re: What LA 7mm?
284 win is a pretty good candidate and so are the WSM amd RSAUM.
for a long action, the 280AI or the 7STW would be nice also.
284 win is a pretty good candidate and so are the WSM amd RSAUM.
for a long action, the 280AI or the 7STW would be nice also.
Re: What LA 7mm?
I know the 284 Win is outclassed in terms of pure velocity, but guys have been doing some seriously impressive things with it. That new F-class record score of 450 was impressive.
I know the 284 Win is outclassed in terms of pure velocity, but guys have been doing some seriously impressive things with it. That new F-class record score of 450 was impressive.
Re: What LA 7mm?
Is the Win brass good to go? It would be a lot nicer than buying the Lapua or Norma 6.5x284 brass and then necking up. And would save a boat load of dough.
Is the Win brass good to go? It would be a lot nicer than buying the Lapua or Norma 6.5x284 brass and then necking up. And would save a boat load of dough.
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does it compare to the 284 Win?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does it compare to the 284 Win?
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Re: What LA 7mm?
The 7 rem mag would be better suited to those new 195's, if they come out. I am swapping my 7rm to .284 as it will do all I need with less powder and more barrel life. The .284 win brass is the crappiest brass I have ever used. I wanted to avoid the whole neck up/donut issues with the Lapua brass so I have to work with it I guess. I hope Lapua or Nosler starts making .284 brass.
The 7 rem mag would be better suited to those new 195's, if they come out. I am swapping my 7rm to .284 as it will do all I need with less powder and more barrel life. The .284 win brass is the crappiest brass I have ever used. I wanted to avoid the whole neck up/donut issues with the Lapua brass so I have to work with it I guess. I hope Lapua or Nosler starts making .284 brass.
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag? </div></div>
That's my thought. If you are building a long action why not make full use of it?
I've kicked the idea of a 284Win all over the place and no matter which way I look at it I decide it doesn't fit.
In a short action it can't seat the long heavies far enough out, and in a long action you are wasting 30% of what you could be loading, and for pushing really heavy pills you will want the big boiler room.
In a long action, I'd go 7mmRM.
As for the often feared belt... just get a proper die and ignore it, headspace off of the shoulder after the first firing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag? </div></div>
That's my thought. If you are building a long action why not make full use of it?
I've kicked the idea of a 284Win all over the place and no matter which way I look at it I decide it doesn't fit.
In a short action it can't seat the long heavies far enough out, and in a long action you are wasting 30% of what you could be loading, and for pushing really heavy pills you will want the big boiler room.
In a long action, I'd go 7mmRM.
As for the often feared belt... just get a proper die and ignore it, headspace off of the shoulder after the first firing.
Re: What LA 7mm?
7 WSM, 7 SAUM, 7/300 WSM, 7/300 RCM, 284 Win throated to run in a LA would be my suggestion.
Not necessarily in that order. With a 175 SMK 7mm you give up very little to the Berger 180's and the 175 7mm SMK will transition into mile hits without trouble. It gets surprisingly little credit for the exceptional bullet that it is.
7 WSM, 7 SAUM, 7/300 WSM, 7/300 RCM, 284 Win throated to run in a LA would be my suggestion.
Not necessarily in that order. With a 175 SMK 7mm you give up very little to the Berger 180's and the 175 7mm SMK will transition into mile hits without trouble. It gets surprisingly little credit for the exceptional bullet that it is.
Re: What LA 7mm?
7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable.
7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable.
Re: What LA 7mm?
I happen to have 800 pieces of 300 RUM brass btw. That is an option, but what a barrel burner it is.
I happen to have 800 pieces of 300 RUM brass btw. That is an option, but what a barrel burner it is.
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney88PDC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the consensus opinion on 7RUM? </div></div>
IMO it's a way overbore barrel eater. By the time you've gotten to know your barrel you've used up half, if not more, of it's barrel life. It's a prime example of an extremely inefficient way to get velocity. Lot's of freebore and lot's of powder.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney88PDC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the consensus opinion on 7RUM? </div></div>
IMO it's a way overbore barrel eater. By the time you've gotten to know your barrel you've used up half, if not more, of it's barrel life. It's a prime example of an extremely inefficient way to get velocity. Lot's of freebore and lot's of powder.
Re: What LA 7mm?
The 7mm rem is often overlooked due to the seriously underloaded factory loads, and conservative handloading data, but it's not going to get you much with the 195.
The 7/300 Win is capable of launching the 180 VLDs at 3150-3175 fps. This thing could be an absolute laser with the 195. You get STW performance with readily available quality brass without all the freebore. What's not to love?
The 7mm rem is often overlooked due to the seriously underloaded factory loads, and conservative handloading data, but it's not going to get you much with the 195.
The 7/300 Win is capable of launching the 180 VLDs at 3150-3175 fps. This thing could be an absolute laser with the 195. You get STW performance with readily available quality brass without all the freebore. What's not to love?
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 7mm rem is often overlooked due to the seriously underloaded factory loads, and conservative handloading data, but it's not going to get you much with the 195.
The 7/300 Win is capable of launching the 180 VLDs at 3150-3175 fps. This thing could be an absolute laser with the 195. You get STW performance with readily available quality brass without all the freebore. What's not to love?
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What length barrel out of the 7/300 is getting 3150/3175fps? As I have a 7dakota 25" barrel and with the 180 bergers hybrids am getting right around 3000fps, also had a 24" rock barrel and was getting 3000fps with the 180vld's but the hybrid's seem to show more pressure quiker.
I have 3 7mm calibers 280AI, 7rem, and 7Dakota and the 280AI with a 24" featherweight barrel 168bergers did quite well at 1000 yards all bullets were in 12inch target with variable winds from 4-13mph.
Elmer
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 7mm rem is often overlooked due to the seriously underloaded factory loads, and conservative handloading data, but it's not going to get you much with the 195.
The 7/300 Win is capable of launching the 180 VLDs at 3150-3175 fps. This thing could be an absolute laser with the 195. You get STW performance with readily available quality brass without all the freebore. What's not to love?
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What length barrel out of the 7/300 is getting 3150/3175fps? As I have a 7dakota 25" barrel and with the 180 bergers hybrids am getting right around 3000fps, also had a 24" rock barrel and was getting 3000fps with the 180vld's but the hybrid's seem to show more pressure quiker.
I have 3 7mm calibers 280AI, 7rem, and 7Dakota and the 280AI with a 24" featherweight barrel 168bergers did quite well at 1000 yards all bullets were in 12inch target with variable winds from 4-13mph.
Elmer
Re: What LA 7mm?
27-28" tubes are the norm for the velocities I listed. There are several guys that have done extensive research and load testing with it. Do a google search for 7mm Practical. He changed the shoulder angle by 5 degrees in his version, but it's a good representation of a simple necked down 300 WM. It's some pretty good reading with a few youtube videos to watch.
A member here "Broz" has extensive range time and load development with this chambering. He is definitely worth contacting if you have questions.
27-28" tubes are the norm for the velocities I listed. There are several guys that have done extensive research and load testing with it. Do a google search for 7mm Practical. He changed the shoulder angle by 5 degrees in his version, but it's a good representation of a simple necked down 300 WM. It's some pretty good reading with a few youtube videos to watch.
A member here "Broz" has extensive range time and load development with this chambering. He is definitely worth contacting if you have questions.
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elmerdeer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What length barrel out of the 7/300 is getting 3150/3175fps? As I have a 7dakota 25" barrel and with the 180 bergers hybrids am getting right around 3000fps, also had a 24" rock barrel and was getting 3000fps with the 180vld's but the hybrid's seem to show more pressure quiker.
I have 3 7mm calibers 280AI, 7rem, and 7Dakota and the 280AI with a 24" featherweight barrel 168bergers did quite well at 1000 yards all bullets were in 12inch target with variable winds from 4-13mph.
Elmer </div></div>
I'm able to get my long throated 28" 7mm Rem up to 3060 with 180 VLDs and Retumbo with <1/2 MOA accuracy, but case life sucks. I've settled on letting them out at 3025 to save my cases. Barrel length is the kicker here, you've got to have the barrel to get the results. It's interesting you say the hybrids show pressure quicker. I figured since they had decreased bearing surface, compared to the VLD, it would be just the opposite.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elmerdeer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What length barrel out of the 7/300 is getting 3150/3175fps? As I have a 7dakota 25" barrel and with the 180 bergers hybrids am getting right around 3000fps, also had a 24" rock barrel and was getting 3000fps with the 180vld's but the hybrid's seem to show more pressure quiker.
I have 3 7mm calibers 280AI, 7rem, and 7Dakota and the 280AI with a 24" featherweight barrel 168bergers did quite well at 1000 yards all bullets were in 12inch target with variable winds from 4-13mph.
Elmer </div></div>
I'm able to get my long throated 28" 7mm Rem up to 3060 with 180 VLDs and Retumbo with <1/2 MOA accuracy, but case life sucks. I've settled on letting them out at 3025 to save my cases. Barrel length is the kicker here, you've got to have the barrel to get the results. It's interesting you say the hybrids show pressure quicker. I figured since they had decreased bearing surface, compared to the VLD, it would be just the opposite.
Re: What LA 7mm?
I run a 24" barrel in my 7Mag and with 69 gr Retumbo push a 168 Berger VLD at 2930. Plenty of barrel life with a modest load, 25 MOA to 1000, and my brass have 6 reloadings on them and the primers are still tight, oh yeah accuracy in the .1's!
I run a 24" barrel in my 7Mag and with 69 gr Retumbo push a 168 Berger VLD at 2930. Plenty of barrel life with a modest load, 25 MOA to 1000, and my brass have 6 reloadings on them and the primers are still tight, oh yeah accuracy in the .1's!
Re: What LA 7mm?
7stw with the new 195 bergers that aren't out yet. Building one soon to be ready for just that bullet
7stw with the new 195 bergers that aren't out yet. Building one soon to be ready for just that bullet
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a 24" barrel in my 7Mag and with 69 gr Retumbo push a 168 Berger VLD at 2930. Plenty of barrel life with a modest load, 25 MOA to 1000, and my brass have 6 reloadings on them and the primers are still tight, oh yeah accuracy in the .1's! </div></div>
Retumbo and Berger is a fantastic combo in the 7RM for sure.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a 24" barrel in my 7Mag and with 69 gr Retumbo push a 168 Berger VLD at 2930. Plenty of barrel life with a modest load, 25 MOA to 1000, and my brass have 6 reloadings on them and the primers are still tight, oh yeah accuracy in the .1's! </div></div>
Retumbo and Berger is a fantastic combo in the 7RM for sure.
Re: What LA 7mm?
I can get an ER Shaw pre-fit for 158 in any 7mm caliber I want. However, they are only 1-9.5 twist barrels. What is the largest bullet I could stabilize with that?
I can get an ER Shaw pre-fit for 158 in any 7mm caliber I want. However, they are only 1-9.5 twist barrels. What is the largest bullet I could stabilize with that?
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can get an ER Shaw pre-fit for 158 in any 7mm caliber I want. However, they are only 1-9.5 twist barrels. What is the largest bullet I could stabilize with that? </div></div>
the litz book does not show 9.5 twist but it looks like anything around 168 (other than maybe amax) and round nose hunting style 175's
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can get an ER Shaw pre-fit for 158 in any 7mm caliber I want. However, they are only 1-9.5 twist barrels. What is the largest bullet I could stabilize with that? </div></div>
the litz book does not show 9.5 twist but it looks like anything around 168 (other than maybe amax) and round nose hunting style 175's
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag? </div></div>
That's my thought. If you are building a long action why not make full use of it?
I've kicked the idea of a 284Win all over the place and no matter which way I look at it I decide it doesn't fit.
In a short action it can't seat the long heavies far enough out, and in a long action you are wasting 30% of what you could be loading, and for pushing really heavy pills you will want the big boiler room.
In a long action, I'd go 7mmRM.
As for the often feared belt... just get a proper die and ignore it, headspace off of the shoulder after the first firing. </div></div>
My thoughts as well. I first thought I wanted a 284, then 7SAUM, then finally decided after talking to a lot of shooters with experience with them all that the 7RM would be best, especially now that the heavier 195s are a possibility in the next year or so.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XTR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goin'Hot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats wrong with the 7mm Rem Mag? </div></div>
That's my thought. If you are building a long action why not make full use of it?
I've kicked the idea of a 284Win all over the place and no matter which way I look at it I decide it doesn't fit.
In a short action it can't seat the long heavies far enough out, and in a long action you are wasting 30% of what you could be loading, and for pushing really heavy pills you will want the big boiler room.
In a long action, I'd go 7mmRM.
As for the often feared belt... just get a proper die and ignore it, headspace off of the shoulder after the first firing. </div></div>
My thoughts as well. I first thought I wanted a 284, then 7SAUM, then finally decided after talking to a lot of shooters with experience with them all that the 7RM would be best, especially now that the heavier 195s are a possibility in the next year or so.
Re: What LA 7mm?
The 7RM is one of choices I could get for 158. It wouldn't be nearly as good as some of the more premium brands, but the price is pretty damn hard to beat.
The 7RM is one of choices I could get for 158. It wouldn't be nearly as good as some of the more premium brands, but the price is pretty damn hard to beat.
Re: What LA 7mm?
7mm Rem Mag ..... they've been around a long time and there are plenty of them and plenty of brass out there. I have an older rem 700 bone stock that's from the 70's and is a feakin lazer beam (even with the stock pencil barrel).
7mm Rem Mag ..... they've been around a long time and there are plenty of them and plenty of brass out there. I have an older rem 700 bone stock that's from the 70's and is a feakin lazer beam (even with the stock pencil barrel).
Re: What LA 7mm?
7wsm and 7rm have almost identical case capacity
they both best the 7saum by about 10gr
all will make 2950 or better from a 26" running 180vlds
for pure speed and short barrel life 7rum or 7-338 lapua
I would run a short mag either the WSM or SAUM
http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html
all ya need to know
7wsm and 7rm have almost identical case capacity
they both best the 7saum by about 10gr
all will make 2950 or better from a 26" running 180vlds
for pure speed and short barrel life 7rum or 7-338 lapua
I would run a short mag either the WSM or SAUM
http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html
all ya need to know
Re: What LA 7mm?
My buddy has the SAUM and it is pretty nice. Absolute hammer and extremely efficient.
My buddy has the SAUM and it is pretty nice. Absolute hammer and extremely efficient.
Re: What LA 7mm?
7mm WSM with Alpha mags is what I use any my long range rifle.
I'm can get over 2950fps+ with 180gr Bergers with enough case capacity and without over pressure.
I'm running 2936fps as this is my accuracy node, which is about 6.6mil at 1000 yards with 1.3mil wind-drift (10mph) at my shooting location.
7mm WSM with Alpha mags is what I use any my long range rifle.
I'm can get over 2950fps+ with 180gr Bergers with enough case capacity and without over pressure.
I'm running 2936fps as this is my accuracy node, which is about 6.6mil at 1000 yards with 1.3mil wind-drift (10mph) at my shooting location.
Re: What LA 7mm?
A properly throated 7RM and 27" barrel runs 180's at 3030-3050 range with good case life. Have built a ton of them for guys all with the same results. Testing a new wildcat right now that is looking like it will provide another 100fps pretty easily in the same barrel length.
A properly throated 7RM and 27" barrel runs 180's at 3030-3050 range with good case life. Have built a ton of them for guys all with the same results. Testing a new wildcat right now that is looking like it will provide another 100fps pretty easily in the same barrel length.
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable. </div></div>
Sorry, I dont understand - or know- why a 7/300wsm is going to beat a 7rm with a heavy bullet?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable. </div></div>
Sorry, I dont understand - or know- why a 7/300wsm is going to beat a 7rm with a heavy bullet?
Re: What LA 7mm?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable. </div></div>
Sorry, I dont understand - or know- why a 7/300wsm is going to beat a 7rm with a heavy bullet? </div></div>
you are mistaken he is refering to 7-300wm. the 300wm is actually a larger case than the 7rm and the 338rm actually. just as the 300rum is larger than 7rum and 338rum. ergo teh 338 edge using the 300rum brass
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brentc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7mm Rem firing 180 Bergers at 3000+ fps is a pretty sweet combination.
For the new 195 I would look long and hard at a 7/300 Win. Brass is easy to come by and easy to form and they will drive the big BC bullets at near RUM velocities without all the freebore while using significantly less powder. This combination will easily be one mile capable. </div></div>
Sorry, I dont understand - or know- why a 7/300wsm is going to beat a 7rm with a heavy bullet? </div></div>
you are mistaken he is refering to 7-300wm. the 300wm is actually a larger case than the 7rm and the 338rm actually. just as the 300rum is larger than 7rum and 338rum. ergo teh 338 edge using the 300rum brass
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you are mistaken he is refering to 7-300wm. the 300wm is actually a larger case than the 7rm and the 338rm actually. just as the 300rum is larger than 7rum and 338rum. ergo teh 338 edge using the 300rum brass [/quote]
Still can't figure out why they shorten the 338 RUM case, they should of left it the full length like the 300 RUM.
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you are mistaken he is refering to 7-300wm. the 300wm is actually a larger case than the 7rm and the 338rm actually. just as the 300rum is larger than 7rum and 338rum. ergo teh 338 edge using the 300rum brass [/quote]
Still can't figure out why they shorten the 338 RUM case, they should of left it the full length like the 300 RUM.
Re: What LA 7mm?
It takes a longer barrel to push a 180 with a SAUM than a 7RM. I've seen guys run 26" barreled 7saum with 180 to near 3000, but brass life has to suck... And SAUM brass are harder to find whereas 7RM brass is everywhere. I just like having a short 24" tube that can push a 180 to 3000, but I choose to run a 168 Berger at 2930.
It takes a longer barrel to push a 180 with a SAUM than a 7RM. I've seen guys run 26" barreled 7saum with 180 to near 3000, but brass life has to suck... And SAUM brass are harder to find whereas 7RM brass is everywhere. I just like having a short 24" tube that can push a 180 to 3000, but I choose to run a 168 Berger at 2930.
