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I agree with you but that + on the burris seems way smaller than the coss on the cronus it looks like from the pics anyways.I've considered getting an XTR3, but I prefer a floating dot center vs the + center that the three reticles available to the XTR3 have.
If you zoom out a little it looks like a dot. Its 1mil across with .5 mil gap around it.I've considered getting an XTR3, but I prefer a floating dot center vs the + center that the three reticles available to the XTR3 have.
Never seen a cronus but I have an Argos BTR on a semi gun that I can pull out and compare later.How is that cross compared to the cronus btr if you ever had a chance to see it? I hated the cross in the cronus btr
Never seen a cronus but I have an Argos BTR on a semi gun that I can pull out and compare later.
So the cross is very smallIf you zoom out a little it looks like a dot.
That is a nice break downBrian Wink does extensive research on everything ELR.
Much smaller than the Cronus cross. I'm sure you can look up the ret subtensions.So the cross is very small
Awesome thank you for info. Are you keeping that zco lolMuch smaller than the Cronus cross. I'm sure you can look up the ret subtensions.
Awesome thank you for info. Are you keeping that zco lol
I knew Todd was gonna say this. He shoots bolt rigs at ranges many would consider a Howitzer for.My 2¢ is that you need to start with defining what distance ELR is to you. To some that number might be 1 mile and to others longer. When you start approaching 2 miles + I think reticle becomes more important, especially if you don't want to buy a charlie tarak. My 2 mile rifle (33xc) wears a TT 5-25 w/ the T3 reticle. That gets me to 2 miles without having to use the charlie unit and has plenty of windage available as well. My 3 mile specific rifle wears a 7-35 atacr with the T3 as well, not so much for the elevation adjustment but for the windage marks available. Last time I shot at that distance I was holding just over 18 mils of windage. Of course the charlie tarak is required at that distance along with a delta tarak to see around the barrel. The T3 reticle is not my favorite reticle (I dislike the wind dots), but it does have the most useful amount of elevation and windage hash marks of anything else I've tried. Hope that helps!
Todd
Yes that is very true. My set up is for 2000 yards. Hopefully farther one day just lacking a place to do so. Great scopes never looked at a tt. I would love to eventually move to something like thatMy 2¢ is that you need to start with defining what distance ELR is to you. To some that number might be 1 mile and to others longer. When you start approaching 2 miles + I think reticle becomes more important, especially if you don't want to buy a charlie tarak. My 2 mile rifle (33xc) wears a TT 5-25 w/ the T3 reticle. That gets me to 2 miles without having to use the charlie unit and has plenty of windage available as well. My 3 mile specific rifle wears a 7-35 atacr with the T3 as well, not so much for the elevation adjustment but for the windage marks available. Last time I shot at that distance I was holding just over 18 mils of windage. Of course the charlie tarak is required at that distance along with a delta tarak to see around the barrel. The T3 reticle is not my favorite reticle (I dislike the wind dots), but it does have the most useful amount of elevation and windage hash marks of anything else I've tried. Hope that helps!
Todd
My 2¢ is that you need to start with defining what distance ELR is to you. To some that number might be 1 mile and to others longer. When you start approaching 2 miles + I think reticle becomes more important, especially if you don't want to buy a charlie tarak. My 2 mile rifle (33xc) wears a TT 5-25 w/ the T3 reticle. That gets me to 2 miles without having to use the charlie unit and has plenty of windage available as well. My 3 mile specific rifle wears a 7-35 atacr with the T3 as well, not so much for the elevation adjustment but for the windage marks available. Last time I shot at that distance I was holding just over 18 mils of windage. Of course the charlie tarak is required at that distance along with a delta tarak to see around the barrel. The T3 reticle is not my favorite reticle (I dislike the wind dots), but it does have the most useful amount of elevation and windage hash marks of anything else I've tried. Hope that helps!
Tod
Yeah i dont like the trm 3 either. The h59 is hard enough to get behind for meMy 2¢ is that you need to start with defining what distance ELR is to you. To some that number might be 1 mile and to others longer. When you start approaching 2 miles + I think reticle becomes more important, especially if you don't want to buy a charlie tarak. My 2 mile rifle (33xc) wears a TT 5-25 w/ the T3 reticle. That gets me to 2 miles without having to use the charlie unit and has plenty of windage available as well. My 3 mile specific rifle wears a 7-35 atacr with the T3 as well, not so much for the elevation adjustment but for the windage marks available. Last time I shot at that distance I was holding just over 18 mils of windage. Of course the charlie tarak is required at that distance along with a delta tarak to see around the barrel. The T3 reticle is not my favorite reticle (I dislike the wind dots), but it does have the most useful amount of elevation and windage hash marks of anything else I've tried. Hope that helps!
Todd
That is one im currently running and playing with. Hopefully take it to 1 mile in a few weeks to see how i like itBushnell XRSII with H59
Argos doesnt have a floating X.So the cross is very small
Nice thank you. I kind of like that alotArgos doesnt have a floating X.
The XTRIII reticle. Not a representation of picture quality as trying to take a picture with a phone through a scope is stupid difficult.
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I have not heard any news on that but very curious myself about thatIf Bushnell comes out with their new ELR scope I'll upgrade but till then I'm set
Unofficially it could be a 6-36x56.I have not heard any news on that but very curious myself about that
Im on board for that....Unofficially it could be a 6-36x56.
Hopefully they announce it soon enough. Feels like a beastIm on board for that....
Yeah im waiting to see....Hopefully they announce it soon enough. Feels like a beast
Brian Wink does extensive research on everything ELR. Extensive research is nice but it does not always make it correct. Or the best option.
Like with the 5-42x56 it is too new and March has not had great trees until now. I almost went with the genesis for the 300nmi, but it was just too much money. I expect these will be seen more and more for 1 mile+ competitions.I'm ignorant on ELR stuff. Maybe someone can school me here. Why is the March Genesis 6-60x56 not in the coversation? It seems like its got everything one would want to stretch out to a mile and beyond. 114 mils of elevation with .05mil clicks. Glass seems to be high end. Is it just not built to handle serious abuse?
The March scopes just don't have that big of a following in the USA, bigger in Aussieland and NZ, maybe Europe. I think of them like USO, they seem like a worthy option but just don't have the following like NF, Vortex, Leupy, TT, ZCO, Kahles. Then there's S&B which, in the past 10 years, went from King of the Hill to an afterthought, a relic of historyI'm ignorant on ELR stuff. Maybe someone can school me here. Why is the March Genesis 6-60x56 not in the coversation? It seems like its got everything one would want to stretch out to a mile and beyond. 114 mils of elevation with .05mil clicks. Glass seems to be high end. Is it just not built to handle serious abuse?
I know quite a few shooters here who prefer the March glass to ZCO or atleast consider them equals.While features and mag range are nice, they end up being commoditized over time, and the only lasting differentiator is glass. Long-term/all-encompassing warranty is also becoming a checkbox item. March is coming up with features including reticles finally, but I think the glass still falls in the 2nd tier with the rest of the best of Japan and the middle Euro glass. I expect high price and a more difficult warranty kick it off the radar for many.
I know quite a few shooters here who prefer the March glass to ZCO or atleast consider them equals.
In about a month I will get to compare the wide angle March thoroughly with a ZCO before I get my next PRS scope. Will try to keep an open mind
What march scope?I know quite a few shooters here who prefer the March glass to ZCO or atleast consider them equals.
In about a month I will get to compare the wide angle March thoroughly with a ZCO before I get my next PRS scope. Will try to keep an open mind
They have two wide angle scopes. 4.5-28x52 High Master and 5-42x56 high master. I have the latter on order.What
What march scope?
Yep, that's me, glad you are enjoying the Schmidt, amazing scope with some of the best turrets out, certainly give TT a run for their money - the DT II+.I'm using a S&B 5-45 with LRR Reticle I bought from @Glassaholic if he used to be wjm300. Which is superb, dialed and tracked well out to a mile with a. 300wm mrad.
I also have a 3-27 and a couple 5-25 Schmidts. Favor reticles are thin ones such as LRR-mil, Gen2xr and p4f.
A buddy has a 3-20 msr2 on the way so that will be nice to check out.
I want to try a TT and ZCO.
Can you tell me why the Schmidt and Bender? I find the best has low magnification (I think there is one that has a lot but I haven't heard much of it) and the ergonomics seem a bit outdated. I certainly respect the brand and that so many use or would like to use it but it just seems to me there are much better options out there. Like more "modern" and up-to-date scopes out there. (More features, better graphics on the turrets etc.)What I currently run:
Leupold MK 5HD (7-35 Tremor3)
Leica PRS (5-30 PRB reticle)
What I have run and still use:
Bushnell XRS II (4.5-30 H59)
SWFA 5-20 HD Mil-Quad reticle
Athlon Ares BTR (4.5-27)
Burris Signature (6-24 mil dot) way back in the ‘90s
What I would like to try:
Zero Compromise
Tangent Theta
Schmidt and Bender
As lowlight used to say S&B is the gold standard. Not sure, if that's still true today as you have competition with the NF 7-35, TT and ZCO. The Schmidt's with the new DT II turrets are pretty nice, feels like a ball detent clicking through as you adjust the elevation or windage. You solidly know where its at when you dial. There are also a ton of reticle choices. I've been happy with the tracking tests I've done on mine and have confidence in it. Only reason I've had to send one back was for the lithium grease spatter issue they had. Other than that I've been very happy with the tracking, accuracy and reticles choices. I believe the 5x25's use a 4 or 5x erector and the 3-27's and 5-45's use a 9x erector. The verbiage used is "the 5-45x56 High Power exemplifies massive magnification in a 9x zoom package." If you ever want to swap reticles you can call them and for $500 you have a new reticle in it. Overall just a solid choice, but really no frills or gimmicks.Can you tell me why the Schmidt and Bender? I find the best has low magnification (I think there is one that has a lot but I haven't heard much of it) and the ergonomics seem a bit outdated. I certainly respect the brand and that so many use or would like to use it but it just seems to me there are much better options out there. Like more "modern" and up-to-date scopes out there. (More features, better graphics on the turrets etc.)