Rifle Scopes What Variable Scope For Rem 700

[laanguiano]

Im buying a Rem 700 and popping it into an AICS Stock. Now its time for an optic.

I currently have a Bushnell 3200 10x MilDot, but not having an adjustable objective is not going to cut it anymore. I dont think its possible to shoot .5MOA without that feature, because the reticule moves about 1 MOA if I move my eye around at a distance of 100yds. Also Id like Side Focus. Grabbing the end of the scope is annoying. Another thing I dont know, since I dont hunt, is if 4x or 6x is too big to use for hunting. I dont plan on hunting, but if need be this will be my only caliber large enough to shoot deer or other game.

So heres some im considering. Budget: 650ish street price.

Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 SF MilDot $400
Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 SF MilDot $550
Burris 3-12x50 Tactical XTR SF MilDot $620

What would you recommend from these 3, or also suggest in my price range. Must be mildot, side focus, and have good variable range for precision shooting.

 

[fdkay]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

Moving your head around is going to cause a shift in impact whether you have an adjustable parallax or not.

Quit moving your head. Of course you miss when you move your head.
The key is a good, repeatable cheek weld with stock built up to achieve a repeatable, natural point of aim.

ALL magnified optics will have parallax.

All three scopes listed are good scopes.

Also in your price bracket are the Falcon Menace 4-14 and 5-25 and the Weaver tactical, which are first focal plane scopes.

 

[42769vette]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

6x is not to big for deer. if anything its on the small size. i use a 6x18-40 mil dot nikon buckmasters and its a little overkill but i can crank it down for close shots. i hunt with a muzzleloader so i use 18x but dont need it. my mils arn't used for ranging its used for multiple zeros on 18x

 

[james24]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

I use an 8-32 for deer hunting on my 300. Look at the WOTAC scope also. Cant go wrong with a buckmaster either way

 

[jdgray]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Moving your head around is going to cause a shift in impact whether you have an adjustable parallax or not.

Quit moving your head. Of course you miss when you move your head.
The key is a good, repeatable cheek weld with stock built up to achieve a repeatable, natural point of aim.

ALL magnified optics will have parallax.

All three scopes listed are good scopes.

Also in your price bracket are the Falcon Menace 4-14 and 5-25 and the Weaver tactical, which are first focal plane scopes. </div></div>

Moving your head is how you check for parallax. If its adjusted out, the crosshairs will not come off target while moving your head.

I had the same Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40, and it does have parallax issues. I went with an Elite 3200 5-15x40, with an AO and target turrets, and couldn't be happier.

 

[fdkay]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdgray</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Moving your head around is going to cause a shift in impact whether you have an adjustable parallax or not.

Quit moving your head. Of course you miss when you move your head.
The key is a good, repeatable cheek weld with stock built up to achieve a repeatable, natural point of aim.

ALL magnified optics will have parallax.

All three scopes listed are good scopes.

Also in your price bracket are the Falcon Menace 4-14 and 5-25 and the Weaver tactical, which are first focal plane scopes. </div></div>

Moving your head is how you check for parallax. If its adjusted out, the crosshairs will not come off target while moving your head.

I had the same Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40, and it does have parallax issues. I went with an Elite 3200 5-15x40, with an AO and target turrets, and couldn't be happier.

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Yes, moving your head or eye alignment is how you check for parallax. But you DO NOT do it while shooting. The OP stated that he was doing it while shooting. Anytime you move your eye from the axis of the sight picture, you create some parallax. As I stated, you must have a good, consistent cheek weld to help avoid parallax. And yes, many budget scopes have more parallax issues than higher quality scopes.
Is that difficult to understand?

 

[laanguiano]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

I wasn't moving my head around while shooting, that's silly. I basically used my rangefinder to find the spot inside my house that was 100yrds to my neighbors chimney. I then set up my rifle bipoded to aim at one specific corner. I then moved my eye around to check how much error could be had without consistent cheek position. I will try to do my part while shooting but I'm not perfect and having a nice adjustable objective will also help.

I like that 3200 5-15 alot, but I really wanted a side focus. Thanks for the comments on the 10x fixed.

Anyone using the weaver tactical 3-15x SF MD?

 

[fdkay]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

My bad, the way you had it written, it sounded like you were getting groups to print 1 moa off.

My apologies. Especially to JD.

Still, one of the keys to eliminating parallax is to maintain eye alignment with the axis of the scope.
An adjustable objective will certainly help to eliminate parallax. While side focus is nice, and I prefer it, an adjustable objective is more precise, does not add another piece of glass to the equation and is mechnically more reliable.
The SS 10x is available with a parallax adjustment on the ocular bell.
Another really nice option is the buckmaster 4-14 or 6-18, they usually come in under 300 and have really good glass for the price.

 

[Halvis]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

"popping it into an AICS stock" ..."dont know, since I dont hunt, is if 4x or 6x is too big to use for hunting. I dont plan on hunting, but if need be this will be my only caliber large enough to shoot deer or other game."

Plan on a deer stand you can drive to, if you hunt, which you don't, and don't plan on doing, unless need be... the AICS stock does not lend itself well to toting around much.

Seriously, given what you have said, I would recommend the SS 10x42HD for slightly over your budget. Yes, it is fixed, but for what I assume you are planning to do, which is not hunt, its a good choice, and will work for hunting as well. If you want variable, 4-16 is a good choice, and I would look at the Vortex Vipers as well as the Nikons.

 

[diggler1833]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

The mall called, they want their ninja back.

Seriously though, take some time and just search and read the posts here. You will find more than enough information on the scope you are looking at, and see what other optics have the features that you want.

 

[jdgray]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

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[Ratbert]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6x is not to big for deer. if anything its on the small size. i use a 6x18-40 mil dot nikon buckmasters and its a little overkill but i can crank it down for close shots. i hunt with a muzzleloader so i use 18x but dont need it. my mils arn't used for ranging its used for multiple zeros on 18x</div></div>

18x on a muzzleloader??? Are they already stuffed?

A fixed 6x is a very popular deer scope, but if it's 40yds away and running having 2-3x certainly makes it easier. However given the apparently very low likelyhood that you're ever going to hunt I wouldn't worry about it.

ETA: It sounds like you want a Falcon 4-14.
http://www.rwsnydergunsmithing.com/secure-rwsnydergunsmithing/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=45

 

[oldgrayone]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

Only you can pick one that works for you. While you are looking take a look at the Sightrons III,s

 

[whamprod]

Re: What Variable Scope For Rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 SF MilDot $400
Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 SF MilDot $550
Burris 3-12x50 Tactical XTR SF MilDot $620</div></div>
My son has that Bushnell on a Savage 10FP-HS Precision, and is not really satisfied with it. Both he and I have the Burris 3-12x50 XTR scope on a couple of AR platform varmint rifles we own, and they are OK. I'm not as fond of the precision of the adjustments as I am on a couple of other scopes I own, but the Burris scope is rugged. It is also big and heavy.

Another scope you might take a look at if you can get used to the busyness of the reticle is the Horus Hawk which is a 3-12x50mm scope with mil/mil clicks/reticle. The price on those is $549.00, which is well within your price range. He has mounted his Horus on an M1A using an ARMS mount with medium height Burris Extreme Tactical rings, but hasn't had a chance to get to the range yet and zero, so we don't know for sure how the scope will perform. I don't recall if it has a side focus knob or not, but I'm too firmly wedged into my lazyboy to winch my fat ass out of it to go look and see.

That said, If I were you, I would not let the demand for a side-focus knob derail you from getting a better scope, with better glass, just because it has a rear focus adjustment rather than the side focus. If you're serious about learning precision shooting, the quality of the glass and the precision of the reticle adjustments will have greater importance than the placement of a silly focus knob.

The Super Sniper 3-9x42mm Tactical is one such scope. It has been very well received, and it costs $599.95, putting it right into your price range. It does not have the side parallax knob, but it is a really good scope at the price, and I wouldn't let the lack of side focusing deter you from giving this scope a good look-see before making up your mind.

I hope all this helps.