Re: what weapons did the Seals us on the pirates?
Email I received from a friend that I found interesting. I have no way to confirm or deny but thought others might find interesting as well..for what it's worth.
Forwarded message:
Hi,
I received this from my cousin who graduated from the U.S. Military Academy
at West Point, taught field grade officers, and retired as a colonel. He
has excellent sources for G-2.
Fran
Subj: The Rest of the Story
Hiall, I just got this from a classmate. He forwarded it to me from our
classmate who is still on active duty at 70-years of age!!! Good for him I
say!!! LOL Here is his message (italics are mine):
The Rest Of Pirate Hostage Story
Got this from a retired RADM - Admiral --. Gotta give a lot of credit to
the ship's C.O. for having the fortitude to act when action was needed. --
and obstructed by CYA negotiator inexperienced CinC -- aka the president.
"'Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. Barrack Hussein Obama wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to
the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE (Rules of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all
sighted in, but could not fire due to RO E restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no
fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at
the RIB (Rigid-hull Inflatable Boat), they were exposed and the SEALS had
them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior.
As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Ohbaby's performance to D-.
Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't
worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his
country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors - and
none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority - the president of the United
States, Barack Obama - had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only
acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear,
extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on
by the Somali pirates - and again no fire was returned and no pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a
mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be
acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the
on-scene-commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to
the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet
another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the
Navy officer - unnamed in all media reports to date - decided the AK47 one
captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and
ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and
Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the
last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American
hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration
and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and
[1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put an end to questions
of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin
yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours - as long as it took
the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators (Navy Surface Warfare
Center - read as Special Ops guys) to steam to the location - became an
embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals
with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
Larry
Email I received from a friend that I found interesting. I have no way to confirm or deny but thought others might find interesting as well..for what it's worth.
Forwarded message:
Hi,
I received this from my cousin who graduated from the U.S. Military Academy
at West Point, taught field grade officers, and retired as a colonel. He
has excellent sources for G-2.
Fran
Subj: The Rest of the Story
Hiall, I just got this from a classmate. He forwarded it to me from our
classmate who is still on active duty at 70-years of age!!! Good for him I
say!!! LOL Here is his message (italics are mine):
The Rest Of Pirate Hostage Story
Got this from a retired RADM - Admiral --. Gotta give a lot of credit to
the ship's C.O. for having the fortitude to act when action was needed. --
and obstructed by CYA negotiator inexperienced CinC -- aka the president.
"'Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and
asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. Barrack Hussein Obama wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to
the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)
recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE (Rules of
Engagement) that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in
"imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all
sighted in, but could not fire due to RO E restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no
fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at
the RIB (Rigid-hull Inflatable Boat), they were exposed and the SEALS had
them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge
CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea
and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead
raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior.
As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Ohbaby's performance to D-.
Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn't
worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his
country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison,
enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors - and
none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority - the president of the United
States, Barack Obama - had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only
acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear,
extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on
by the Somali pirates - and again no fire was returned and no pirates
killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a
mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man
with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of
decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be
acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the
on-scene-commander decided he'd had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to
the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet
another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the
Navy officer - unnamed in all media reports to date - decided the AK47 one
captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and
ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and
Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the
last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American
hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration
and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and
[1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put an end to questions
of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin
yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the
inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours - as long as it took
the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators (Navy Surface Warfare
Center - read as Special Ops guys) to steam to the location - became an
embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals
with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
Larry
